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In reply to the discussion: Here's what your 10th-graders will be tested on under Common Core: Ovid [View all]Retrograde
(10,136 posts)103. Because it's poetry? Because it's old?
Because it's a bit of a challenge? What sort of text would you recommend?
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Here's what your 10th-graders will be tested on under Common Core: Ovid [View all]
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
OP
What's wrong with Ovid? Perfectly reasonable component of a solid education in the humanities
dmallind
Nov 2012
#1
Yes, because having to think about one passage will destroy them for life.
Posteritatis
Nov 2012
#15
since common core mandates that only 30% of texts taught in HS english can be literature,
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#140
There are countless old poems out there. They don't need to assign The Metamorphoses
pnwmom
Nov 2012
#108
Oh please. This is embarrassing. Might as well dispense with Classics entirely under your regime.
anneboleyn
Nov 2012
#137
Exactly. Ovid, Shakespeare, etc. WTH is the problem? It is "poetry" and therefore too "hard?"
anneboleyn
Nov 2012
#135
they don't read it. ovid isn't on the 10th-grade reading list. they just get
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#48
it's not on the common core reading list, which most of the states will soon
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#74
IMO, although that clearly activates your sensibilities, it's a red herring
HereSince1628
Nov 2012
#96
I don't think this is a teaching to the test issue...because the nature of the assessement
HereSince1628
Nov 2012
#111
can you also imagine what students would make of 'modest proposal' if they met it cold
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#129
With all the beautiful and/or difficult reading passages that could be assigned from other works,
pnwmom
Nov 2012
#100
Is it a required test? For all 10th graders? I don't recall having to take a test in 10th grade.
Honeycombe8
Nov 2012
#119
no, i meant they will be given every year, to all students. at least once, possibly twice,
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#133
I knew I'd get the "I love Ovid, especially in 100-year-old translation" from the
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#6
but according to the folks pushing this, it's all about educating kids for the global economy.
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#93
That's one of the more inane objections I've heard to, well, anything here. (nt)
Posteritatis
Nov 2012
#14
I had 2 alternative high school students almost come to blows over that book.
knitter4democracy
Nov 2012
#118
If passages like this are known to be on a test, they WILL be central to the curriculum.
pnwmom
Nov 2012
#35
Yes, how dare those poor snowflakes have to read something complex for a change.
Posteritatis
Nov 2012
#13
"... the kind of reading students will have to ENDURE ..." Do you recognize your own bias? nt
patrice
Nov 2012
#27
If kids aren't used to reading archaic language they're going to have a hard time with that
Fumesucker
Nov 2012
#28
Well, jeez. isn't that the very type of circumstance for which we should to teach research skills
Skidmore
Nov 2012
#39
ovid isn't in common core's 10th grade reading, i.e. it won't be taught. they
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#75
my post was to counter the idea that students will actually be studying ovid. but the
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#107
Challenge is the essence of cognitive development. It should be appropriate, but inappropriate
patrice
Nov 2012
#33
The Metamorphoses isn't just challenging. It's sexist and misogynistic and includes
pnwmom
Nov 2012
#34
That's okay with me as long as it isn't about avoiding reading challenges. Discussion is
patrice
Nov 2012
#37
Your point about the testing environment is taken. I was thinking about curriculum in general...
patrice
Nov 2012
#43
How will the test takers know about the 50 rapes that are not in this sample?
dmallind
Nov 2012
#102
The fact that it is couched in poetic language doesn't make it less of a rape. "She fought him."
pnwmom
Nov 2012
#110
So...nongraphic rape descriptions are, to you, worse than graphic torture and killing descriptions?
dmallind
Nov 2012
#112
What an insipid critique by your source. I would have been tested on Ovid in the original Latin,
msanthrope
Nov 2012
#49
Uh huh and the current gripe is that schools don't teach job skills or that schools
MichiganVote
Nov 2012
#59
30 years, high school English, Tech-Prep 11, Honors 10, C-P 12. THIS EXCERPT SUCKS.
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#71
On any assessment there will be questions only the top % of students will master
aikoaiko
Nov 2012
#85
I think it is great. We underestimate the kids and what are we saying if something I learned in high
Pisces
Nov 2012
#98
so it's standardized tests that challenge students? i thought it was curriculum
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#122
There is a reason. Classical greek/romance literature written in archaic english isn't part
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#125
yea, testing them on something they didn't study will help a lot. and more testing will
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#128
the only place they're being exposed is on the test itself. not a good space for a 1st
HiPointDem
Nov 2012
#134