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pinkstarburst

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29. Let's be honest: it's both

Wed Feb 14, 2024, 04:00 PM

Feb 14

Voters in 2016 had the opportunity to elect the most qualified candidate ever to run. Instead they chose the least qualified candidate ever to run because this country is deeply misogynistic. Kamala Harris faces that same misogynism plus racism PLUS the fact that she was never a popular candidate even when running against other democrats in the primary in 2020 and dropped out early. Her popularity has never improved since that time. She is smart and qualified, but she does not have charisma.

The other factor is that voters are unexcited about the prospect of a Trump-Biden rematch in 2024. They want two new candidates. They do not want the choices to be two 80+ year old men. And I think the idea of "well, if anything happens, you get KH even though you're not happy about that either" just sort of compounds that feeling of not getting any say or choice this time around.

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The real issue is not Biden's age -- it's VP Kamala Harris. [View all] ancianita Feb 14 OP

The problem is that the average voter (even the average Democrat) doesn't feel that way... brooklynite Feb 14 #1

And, one of the reasons that bamagal62 Feb 14 #7

Uh, she spends a lot of her time in the Senate, breaking tie votes Attilatheblond Feb 14 #13

Not since Jan 3, 2023. brooklynite Feb 14 #44

That's what I was wondering. bamagal62 Feb 14 #63

I'm not sure it's that voters didn't get to know her TheProle Feb 14 #14

One reason could also be the negative media machine. ancianita Feb 14 #22

I don't think the staff exodous TheProle Feb 14 #23

And how long ago was that? Do you not think she could have grown into high office? ancianita Feb 14 #33

The "staff exodus" druidity33 Feb 15 #88

Incorrect TheProle Feb 15 #89

When that article was written... druidity33 Feb 15 #98

LOL TheProle Feb 15 #99

This free press could be the death of democracy yet. It's hard being a parent. There's no instruction manual. jaxexpat Feb 14 #48

Biden did tap her to solve the so-called border crisis. Not sure that was a fair assignment. Silent Type Feb 14 #19

That is not as unusual as a lot of people think. Lochloosa Feb 14 #39

Post removed Post removed Feb 14 #42

it's because she's black and a woman NoRethugFriends Feb 14 #43

Thank-you. JohnSJ Feb 14 #54

Let's pretend his VP was Gavin Polybius Feb 14 #85

they would NoRethugFriends Feb 15 #87

Was it her "cackle"? sheshe2 Feb 14 #67

Seriously, women laughing is a real trigger. betsuni Feb 14 #70

It's because she's a woman. Period. zanana1 Feb 15 #91

Democrats are uncomfortable with a woman as President? brooklynite Feb 15 #92

I think so. zanana1 Feb 15 #93

Remember Hillary Clinton? brooklynite Feb 15 #94

She should have been the clear winner. zanana1 Feb 15 #95

1 woman nominated for President SocialDemocrat61 Feb 15 #97

I heard a right wing nutter radio host use that as his excuse. StarryNite Feb 14 #2

My brother who's a die hard democrat said the same thing Tribetime Feb 14 #18

Will VP Harris be debating Tuck, Stefanik, or J.D. Vance? /nt bucolic_frolic Feb 14 #3

That could be fun. Think. Again. Feb 14 #4

I'll go with SarahD below. For all we know trump could pick his biggest donor. ancianita Feb 14 #12

It is "interesting" to say the least. SarahD Feb 14 #5

Possibly, Trump won't reveal his running mate because he is still auctioning off the position? Attilatheblond Feb 14 #15

They Use Her As Their Boogieman Deep State Witch Feb 14 #6

Meanwhile, Trump's loyalties sprouted from Russian dictators and European fascists bucolic_frolic Feb 14 #10

The assessment is on point but I fear too many won't readily vote for a person of color or a woman for President dutch777 Feb 14 #8

Harris is wildly popular when she speaks at universities getagrip_already Feb 14 #9

Post removed Post removed Feb 14 #11

The press depends on you to not know Harris's accomplishments. They've lived and breathed Trump, who ancianita Feb 14 #20

You echo my concerns as well ScratchCat Feb 14 #21

Biden believes that only he can beat Trump because he did it in 2020. elocs Feb 14 #46

I strongly disagree. I think you may be misjudging him. crickets Feb 14 #56

I will not judge some person until I see them in action. chouchou Feb 14 #16

Kamala Harris has grown into the job as VP. I was concerned when Biden picked her, but not anymore. patphil Feb 14 #17

I don't think she has been given enough time to shine. Not sure why but it should change. twodogsbarking Feb 14 #24

Disagree. sheshe2 Feb 14 #59

Yep. twodogsbarking Feb 14 #64

She's doing exactly what people say they want: go around the country and listen and talk with them. betsuni Feb 14 #69

Yes she is! Just look at this. sheshe2 Feb 14 #71

Again, exactly what people say they want, a Democrat popular with young people! betsuni Feb 14 #72

Just not 'that' Democrat. sheshe2 Feb 14 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author bamagal62 Feb 14 #65

...and she's married to an observant Jewish man. PCIntern Feb 14 #25

She was my pick from the beginning. byronius Feb 14 #26

Agree. She is the future. Biden chose well. ancianita Feb 14 #30

It's her affect. I said this during her 2016 campaign, when I supported her. maxsolomon Feb 14 #27

Not "even odds". His life expectancy is another 14 years, with a 75% chance of living at least 8 more years unblock Feb 14 #28

I hear you loud and clear. But to resign would not mean his resigning from their mutual work. ancianita Feb 14 #31

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Feb 14 #34

Let's be honest: it's both pinkstarburst Feb 14 #29

"But ... but ... but ... that would admit: I'd rather be called an ageist than confess to being racist and misogynist!" marble falls Feb 14 #32

Yes, it would, both streams of the polluted corporate river of perception/fear management. ancianita Feb 14 #37

I have no doubt in Kamala Harris's ability to lead this nation SouthernDem4ever Feb 14 #35

Agree. Or any VP running mate they'd choose. ancianita Feb 14 #38

My friends don't like her because they say tavernier Feb 14 #36

Interesting. Guess they stopped noticing her. Here's what my friends have noticed. ancianita Feb 14 #41

To be fair, I'm theonly oolitical fanatic (as my kids say) tavernier Feb 14 #45

I hear you. Don't they get news on the Internet? I'm kinda surprised that tv's their only media source. ancianita Feb 14 #47

Nope. Amazed as we political wackos might be, tavernier Feb 14 #68

I agree. I'm sure Trump will play up the VP choice given Biden's age. jalan48 Feb 14 #40

Aye. I think you got it. captain queeg Feb 14 #49

Ageism, racism, sexism. All wrapped up in a bow for the rubes...nt Wounded Bear Feb 14 #50

That is definaty part of the reason Biden may lose some support. I voted for John McCain doc03 Feb 14 #51

Republicans are horrified at a woman of color who doesn't know her place dlk Feb 14 #52

There's a bad joke about this issue: "The problem with Biden's age is she's Black" Hekate Feb 14 #53

You nailed it, Hekate. sheshe2 Feb 14 #60

First 2 years of Biden's administration, there was a 50/50 senate, Kamala was the tie-breaker. justareader Feb 14 #55

I agree with you on VP Harris, she is the GOAT. sheshe2 Feb 14 #58

Well justareader read this....... KS Toronado Feb 14 #86

I like your user name. TomSlick Feb 15 #100

VP Harris has done an excellent job mcar Feb 14 #57

I wish I could say I can't believe what I am reading, sadly I do. sheshe2 Feb 14 #61

Yeah, I guess I was being facetious mcar Feb 14 #74

Thank you, ancianita. sheshe2 Feb 14 #62

Thank you back, sheshe! ancianita Feb 14 #80

I hear you. sheshe2 Feb 14 #81

Bingo! kentuck Feb 14 #66

I don't know. It's not the case for democratic leaning naysayers, and there are plenty ecstatic Feb 14 #75

True cilla4progress Feb 14 #76

my first thought when "age" started coming up more and more: It's Code yellowdogintexas Feb 14 #77

100% LymphocyteLover Feb 14 #78

I'm surprised at... Mike Nelson Feb 14 #79

K&R betsuni Feb 14 #82

Kamala Harris can win Democrats. Frasier Balzov Feb 14 #83

My theory about Independents ancianita Feb 15 #96

Yeppers. always has been the "problem". msfiddlestix Feb 14 #84

The issue is his age. She fails as a mitigating factor Kid Charlemagne Feb 15 #90

I trust Joe ._. Feb 15 #101

TFG and MAGA world have not recovered from President Obama serving for two terms LetMyPeopleVote Feb 15 #102