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In reply to the discussion: The idea that there are still parks and places named after Civil War Generals from the South [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)205. Sherman is a mixed bag, though.
After the war, he did just as much to persecute Native Americans(his attitude was illustrated by his famous quote "Kill 'em all...nits make lice" as he ever did to free African Americans.
And he could have freed the slaves without burning Atlanta. His campaign in Georgia was on the same moral plane as Lt. Calley at My Lai.
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Quixote1818
Nov 2012
OP
Sherman Won And He Was Fighting Among Other Things To Free Black Folks
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2012
#123
I think every "Main Street" in every southern city and town should be renamed "Sherman Street"
madinmaryland
Nov 2012
#177
Many people in the South seem to be unwilling to acknowledge that they lost the Civil War.
luv_mykatz
Nov 2012
#5
So the fact that my family has died at sea fighting wars for the entire history of this nation,
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#32
Well, just extend the analogy. I would be justified in hating all you fucking traitors
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#46
Too bad for you. If your sensibilities are so easily offended you don't stand a chance. n/t
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#51
That history was used to help create the KKK...an organization founded by those "rebels"
Ken Burch
Nov 2012
#212
If one is a partisan of the American Republic, then he did NOT commit treason.
David__77
Nov 2012
#27
But nobody is proposing to put a Washington Monument in the middle of London.
NYC Liberal
Nov 2012
#58
That may be true but the English Civil War has produced its' own set of controversial monuments
Uncle Joe
Nov 2012
#73
No, I think slavery is worse, though perhaps less pertinent to the discussion.
David__77
Nov 2012
#68
The absolutely funniest thing about SC Confederate Memorial Day is its date...
Tom Ripley
Nov 2012
#57
Irrelevant. Most people of the South don't care about the names, just don't care.
bluestate10
Nov 2012
#10
Most People of The South Don't Care About their Southern Historical Treasonous Leaders?
fightthegoodfightnow
Nov 2012
#150
Why can't they just use regular Memorial Day to commemorate their lost brethren?
intheflow
Nov 2012
#258
Why do we glorify Washington and Jefferson? They each owned hundreds of slaves (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#20
No they didn't, not during their lifetimes. General Lee *did* free his slaves, however. (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#137
Claiming that you find slavery repugnant, but keeping your slaves enslaved until after you die,
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#146
Memorializing fallen soldiers is not the same as celebrating slavery or racism (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#155
18-year old farmhands who happened to be born in the South and conscripted into the army
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#161
We don't; it's a generic "Presidents Day" now. Otherwise, Italian-Americans* celebrate their paisan.
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#111
It surprises me little to see so many "RKBA" Gungeon regulars taking the slave-holder's, i.e.,
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#22
As noted: it surprises me little to see so many "RKBA'ers" rush to the aid of anything Confederate.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#28
Your "guess," of course, would be wrong: the Democratic Party has been in the forefront
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#42
Nonsense: that is called "projection." You're trying to defend the Confederacy, and are now
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#47
1. The OP is about parks and places named after traitors, not Confederate "veterans," so this
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#99
No, it was not: it had absolutely NOTHING to do with their status as "veterans."
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#166
Still dodging, and falsely at that. They are traitors "by law," since they had to seek pardons after
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#175
You are refering to events well over a 100 years ago. I'm refering to the current status.
Kaleva
Nov 2012
#192
So, your answer is "I don't care." That's very curious, "moderate" or no.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#213
This is a place where people can discuss what they are doing about what outrages them.
Kaleva
Nov 2012
#214
As already noted: what really irritates you is that you were not allowed to get away with diversion
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#215
Again: what really irritates you is that you were not allowed to get away with diversion and
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#243
Sure I do. What really irritates you is that you were not allowed to get away with diversion
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#249
Oh yes they have. Simply denying a plain, indisputable fact does not diminish the fact. Pro-tip. n/t
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#85
If you have trouble manipulating your mouse to scroll up and down the screen, visit your
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#97
"I can't seem to find it" - Perhaps the problem is visual, then. Lenscrafters? A new monitor?
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#105
And that poster has spent a good deal of this sub-thread pretending that he can't "see" it...
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#125
If and only recognizing Zhukhov's strategies in '43 and '44 are a like defense of Soviet-style commu
LanternWaste
Nov 2012
#94
Benedict Arnold was a brilliant tactician, too: why not name an Army post after him?
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#100
Boadicea should not have a statue in Britain? Vlasov not in Russia? Broaden your historical perspec
LanternWaste
Nov 2012
#106
More deflection. Answer the question: should Benedict Arnold have a statue at West Point?
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#107
Nope: it's a reality. Especially when it comes to the entire "RKBA" movement, which is a right-wing
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#35
Thanks for saying so; I don't remember what we got cross-threaded about, but I apologize
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#133
actually- it's part of the culture and heritage scene from 'oh brother..."
BlueMan Votes
Nov 2012
#38
You know that a lot of us have actually lived there and seen the reality that still pervades
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2012
#52
Exactly what, pray-tell, doesn't the OP "get"? Please spell it out for us, specifically....
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#31
Weee! Another thread offering the opportunity to bash the South! Trashing now....nt.
OldDem2012
Nov 2012
#26
Apparently lots of people on this board do as well, since there isn't a week that doesn't
Tunkamerica
Nov 2012
#43
Your heart is in the right place (I think) but you have a very poor understanding of the
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#60
YUP! and don't forget their hero Ron Paul and David Duke were intertwined.
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#184
Because Lincoln in a move heal the country gave Confederate and Union vet equal status
SpartanDem
Nov 2012
#50
Well I live in Richmond, Va., and it is changing, and most say it's a good thing.
WCLinolVir
Nov 2012
#53
Not to get all theological on you, but I don't think you can force anyone to repent
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#63
I think years of occupation and re-education would've made them get the message
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2012
#109
What do you mean by 'we,' white man? JK. On a serious note, I don't think having parks and
coalition_unwilling
Nov 2012
#62
YES I agree. Same with those who still fly the Dixie Flag. Spits in the face of America & Blacks.
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#65
And I was taught that we were all Americans--that we didn't let our brothers
brokechris
Nov 2012
#78
I am Jewish and the connection between Ron/Rand Paul & Jorg Haider is very easy to see.
graham4anything
Nov 2012
#188
All you have to do is wish for something, and the Internet can instantly make it come true, Odin2005
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#108
Why glorify Washington and Jefferson? Why have them on bills? they were both slaveowners. nt
raccoon
Nov 2012
#92
i live in the south and they harbor a lot of pride in that fucked up war....people are strange
spanone
Nov 2012
#96
James Loewen's excellent book "Lies Across America" deals with this very topic
arcane1
Nov 2012
#102
Maybe neither man was angelic, but only one of them led troops to dissolve the theretofore Union.
WinkyDink
Nov 2012
#112
Or imagine visiting West Point and seeing a "Benedict Arnold Shrine." It's the exact same thing.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#121
By definition the Confederacy is the most anti-American force in the history of this country.
aaaaaa5a
Nov 2012
#128
Yep: I'd change everything on that list. Just like the schools with mascots offensive to Native
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#134
Jefferson did not lead a war of treason against the United States. Please try to sort your
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#167
How do you think African Americans feel about attending a school named for a white slaveholder
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#173
But that's not the subject of this OP - the traitors who attempted to keep African Americans
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#180
Not a big leap from "glorifying people who fought to keep people enslaved" to
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#182
It is a big leap IN THIS OP, which is very specifically about the Confederate traitors who
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#185
Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I will just continue to post in this thread.
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#187
The real deal is you simply want to change the subject. Let's have you on the record:
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#189
I can think of about 187,213 things more important than the name of a fucking park. n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2012
#147
There's a Robert Byrd Bridge from WV to OH. Byrd was an Exalted Cyclops in the KKK (nt)
Nye Bevan
Nov 2012
#186
Those names aren't about glorifying. They're about remembering WHAT HAPPENED, but
patrice
Nov 2012
#179
The question is does naming a park after a general mean one approves of slavery? Or does it mean
still_one
Nov 2012
#190
Another reason I wish we could "Rec" replies: spot-on analysis. I wish I knew the answer.
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#209
Indeed. Imagine what we'd think of it if Germany had monuments to Mengele, the Gestapo, and the SS.
Ken Burch
Nov 2012
#201
I've been asking our friends from the Gungeon above a very straightforward question
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#203
I just figured they were whistlin' Dixie, but your conjecture is probably closer to the mark...
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#207
More false equivalency: the Generals who commanded troops in both the Vietnam and Iraq Wars
apocalypsehow
Nov 2012
#244