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gcomeau

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67. And all the documents you need to GET the ID? Those free too?

Reply to 4th law of robotics (Reply #56)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:08 PM

Nov 2012

Taking time off work to go and do it when you live paycheck to paycheck and live in a "right to work" state where they might fire you just for not coming in if your boss happens to be a prick? That free too?

Transportation to wherever you have to go to get the ID issued? Also free? For some people the nearest place isn't near.

The republicans know all this. And they know that their voters tend to be more well off and for them they'll have ID anyway so this means nothing to them. A lot of them can't even process that it might be a problem to get one of these IDs. But for the people on the bottom rung of the ladder it can be a serious inconvenience, easily rising to the level of discouraging them from voting at all. WHICH IS THE ENTIRE POINT.

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What is wrong with requiring a picture ID to vote? [View all] el_bryanto Nov 2012 OP

In WV we are required to provide ID--our signature! k8conant Nov 2012 #1

A signature is in no way a form of identification... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #79

It works on my checks... k8conant Nov 2012 #87

Yeah, it works at POS terminals too, even if you just scribble something. HopeHoops Nov 2012 #93

Actually, it *IS*, but I think you knew that. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #137

Nothing, if ... Scuba Nov 2012 #2

Texas tried to implement a voter ID law LeftInTX Nov 2012 #63

Good. Those "barriers" are unacceptable. Scuba Nov 2012 #118

It's a poll tax Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #3

Hmmmm - well thanks for asking me to google poll tax el_bryanto Nov 2012 #11

No one should have to pay anything to vote, not even $15. Lex Nov 2012 #14

What if they were free? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #56

But they are not. Lex Nov 2012 #64

Hence the 'what if' 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #80

What if pigs could fly? In states where photo ID is required there are costs imposed now. yardwork Nov 2012 #85

I want you to step back and consider how silly your argument is getting 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #94

Nice try. You hope to confuse people by suggesting that the ID cards "could" be free. yardwork Nov 2012 #117

There is no possible way they could be free? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #123

I think that is bullshit cwydro Nov 2012 #130

What if voter fraud wasn't a problem? Lex Nov 2012 #97

What devastating effect 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #100

Why don't you get right on that? And while you're at it, make all marriages civil contracts, too. yardwork Nov 2012 #119

So it's your opinion that if it is not currently in existence/law of the land 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #124

Progress means fixing problems that actually exist. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #129

How can we fix anything without changing the status quo? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #132

How can we fix anything if we spend time fixing shit that doesn't need fixing. Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #133

Fine, you feel there is no problem but... 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #100

And all the documents you need to GET the ID? Those free too? gcomeau Nov 2012 #67

Exactly. Lex Nov 2012 #75

thank you Kali Nov 2012 #81

Ditto, ditto, ditto. closeupready Nov 2012 #88

Sure 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #82

I'm sure we have the ability to get an ID card to everybody. Mariana Nov 2012 #113

So doing what a great many other nations have already done is not impossible 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #125

Also doesn't getting to the polls require 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #86

Not if you vote absentee. closeupready Nov 2012 #90

Interesting 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #95

Inform yourself. Regardless, I answered your question. closeupready Nov 2012 #110

Tons of people have ID 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #116

... Broken_Hero Nov 2012 #128

I agree. hopeforthebest Nov 2012 #69

Whether it seems "onerous enough" is beside the point, it's illegal (see: Voting Rights Act). Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #20

Per the US Supreme Court it is not illegal if there is no charge to obtain the ID. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #51

It is irrelevant and unnecessary in California JDPriestly Nov 2012 #96

I am a college student, lilithsrevenge12 Nov 2012 #28

Oh come on guardian Nov 2012 #76

Well you were the one who thought $15 wasn't a big deal. lilithsrevenge12 Nov 2012 #105

Hey, weren't you in the movie "Animal House"? mac56 Nov 2012 #108

Gas = drivers license. Correct? nt hack89 Nov 2012 #131

Good catch also what university doesn't issue student IDs? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #139

I agree with you PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #54

See here: gcomeau Nov 2012 #72

you are correct PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #89

Requiring people to bring and then show a picture ID at the polls would slow the JDPriestly Nov 2012 #99

How much would this cost each state to provide? mac56 Nov 2012 #60

Transportation to the place that takes the picture and issues the ID can JDPriestly Nov 2012 #106

For people on a fixed income or minimum wage job $15 is a lot csziggy Nov 2012 #68

Exactly! My mother in law's birth certificate had the wrong first name on it. So_Blue Nov 2012 #98

That was another problem with Mom's csziggy Nov 2012 #114

Which begs the question: What is the precise and relevant amount that is not... LanternWaste Nov 2012 #104

Now that's an interesting question el_bryanto Nov 2012 #112

Right brush Nov 2012 #57

Ever lost your id? Live and Learn Nov 2012 #4

Because it costs money to get one gollygee Nov 2012 #5

Nothing! ThatsMyBarack Nov 2012 #6

Unless an ID is issued to every single citizen, those without them will not be able to vote rbixby Nov 2012 #7

What's wrong with it? Spider Jerusalem Nov 2012 #8

A lot of people in urban areas don't drive meadowlark5 Nov 2012 #9

Agree. n/t Agschmid Nov 2012 #38

Nothing. Lincoln showed his, as did Jefferson, et al The Straight Story Nov 2012 #10

LOL Celebration Nov 2012 #16

Who pays for all these people without driver's license to get an id? sarah FAILIN Nov 2012 #12

Requiring ID is a barrier sweetpea7788 Nov 2012 #13

Documents that are often required to get an ID, like a copy of your birth certificate, Chiyo-chichi Nov 2012 #15

and those who have been married, divorced, married newspeak Nov 2012 #30

It is a poll tax jberryhill Nov 2012 #17

You are right it is a poll tax exboyfil Nov 2012 #25

That still doesn't fix the problem jberryhill Nov 2012 #32

Federal Dollars for compliance exboyfil Nov 2012 #36

make it a federal law that birth certificates for obtaining voter i.d. are free. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #46

People would still have to pay for the transportation to the DMV to get an ID issued. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #111

If they can't get to the dmv, they probably can't get to the polls either... BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #122

There are many more polling places than DMV offices. yardwork Nov 2012 #126

and despite all the difficulty- you were able to get to the dmv. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #127

Yes, because I am privileged. I have a job that doesn't require me to punch a clock. yardwork Nov 2012 #138

Elderly and disabled people do not have that kind of transportation JDPriestly Nov 2012 #140

I like Canada's laws, if you don't have photo ID someone with an ID can proclaim you are who you say NotThisTime Nov 2012 #18

Give people notice and it might be OK, even though it is still not necessary. IllinoisBirdWatcher Nov 2012 #19

I tend to agree with you exboyfil Nov 2012 #21

Simply put, no one should have to pay ANYTHING to vote. Not even the cost of an ID Lex Nov 2012 #29

I agree that is why I say DMV IDs exboyfil Nov 2012 #33

And how much will that cost each state? mac56 Nov 2012 #65

Doesn't matter if they're free. trotsky Nov 2012 #70

I like . . . brush Nov 2012 #78

why do we need photo id? beachbumbob Nov 2012 #22

It is designed to suppress votes as many in the cities rightfully dont trust libtodeath Nov 2012 #23

It's the objective nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #24

You are right as far as Republican efforts go el_bryanto Nov 2012 #39

Look at how the IFE does it in Mexico nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #49

It's not only the cost of an ID that make it difficult to vote. Aristus Nov 2012 #26

I am a foodstamp and medicaid worker, all my clients HAVE to havd ID!! Puzzledtraveller Nov 2012 #27

And is the right to foodstamps guaranteed under the Voting Rights Act? Lex Nov 2012 #34

In Minnesota they don't Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #41

Not everyone has it. This is a limited view of a larger issue. n/t Agschmid Nov 2012 #44

So? jberryhill Nov 2012 #73

Why should there be a requirement to have a photo id to vote? Since there's only sinkingfeeling Nov 2012 #31

Well, considering that 30 states all at once have voter ID bills (written by ALEC) either passed Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #35

Agree with everyone who says it's a poll tax and a means to suppress the vote. forestpath Nov 2012 #37

And a distraction\red herring from the reality that 1% of the country's population coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #50

+1 n/t Agschmid Nov 2012 #53

I currently live in Ohio, but not for long, and I cannot get a state ID... a la izquierda Nov 2012 #40

if you're living in the state for more than 30 days- BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #58

Lots of people don't have ID, and shouldn't need it to vote. WilliamPitt Nov 2012 #42

Not a problem is you offer free, easily accessible photo ids to everyone, IMO. pointsoflight Nov 2012 #43

My mother never had one, neither did my three maiden aunts. Rozlee Nov 2012 #45

Nothing....as long as there is time allowed to get it, and there is no charge for it....nt AzSweet Nov 2012 #47

I'm confused about them too Catherine Vincent Nov 2012 #48

If a poll worker knows you personally in KY, you don't have to show ID... Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #52

Because there would be many people in the Sandy disaster who now couldn't. nolabear Nov 2012 #55

They are difficult to get in Florida...you need all sorts of documentation. Sancho Nov 2012 #59

I covered this and other voter suppression issues in my radio show last thurs. Here is text and link stevenleser Nov 2012 #61

How about this: dawg Nov 2012 #62

little surprised by this query, Bryant bigtree Nov 2012 #66

Yes - and then some - it's a pretty convincing argument el_bryanto Nov 2012 #107

In CT Need ID or proof of tax bill, or utility bill Filibuster Harry Nov 2012 #71

There are very, very few people who are not in some federal database. Beowulf Nov 2012 #74

It prevents a problem that does not exist... cynatnite Nov 2012 #77

Some voters including many older voters JDPriestly Nov 2012 #83

And, many, especiallty minority in the south question everything Nov 2012 #92

A) What voter fraud that exists won't be solved by mandatory ID checks. HuckleB Nov 2012 #84

Simple. Our problem isn't voter fraud - it's that less than half of eligible voters bother to VOTE! HopeHoops Nov 2012 #91

NOTHING, if they are free and easy to get krawhitham Nov 2012 #102

well, to make it easier, why not require a National ID card? quinnox Nov 2012 #103

CANADA -- Voter ID Makes Sense To Me.... quantass Nov 2012 #109

What problem does it solve that wouldn't recur with forged IDs? JHB Nov 2012 #115

It is certainly not a bad idea in and of itself; but neither is passing a series of laws LanternWaste Nov 2012 #120

Here's two reasons: It's a solution in search of a problem. The potential for abuse is too high. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #121

What's wrong with changing the rules weeks before an important presidential election? fried eggs Nov 2012 #135

They cost money = poll tax Fearless Nov 2012 #136