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In reply to the discussion: EVERYONE knows that a fertilized egg is not a person. And neither is a full term fetus a collection [View all]DirkGently
(12,151 posts)57. You posit "another extreme" which does not exist in reality.
Given that no one advocates for aborting full-term fetuses, what is the point, if not to suggest the actual debate is more two-sided than it actually is?
This is how the anti- abortion insanity built momentum in the first place. They pretended there was a big problem with viable, late-term fetuses being aborted left and right. They passed laws on the basis this was happening. That given a "choice," women would end pregnancies at the last second all the time. Then they started chipping away.
And now we somehow have to "debate" whether a rape victim or a child must bear their attacker's spawn. Whether fertilized eggs are not only people, but more important people than the walking incubators some think of as "women."
It's not as morally complicated as is being pretended. We need not be on guard against this "other extreme." We can trust women with their bodies, and doctors with their profession.
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EVERYONE knows that a fertilized egg is not a person. And neither is a full term fetus a collection [View all]
TPaine7
Nov 2012
OP
There is no such thing as a full term embryo. There is no such organization that advocates for
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#10
Show me the part of the OP that says anything about an organization that advocates for aborting
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#37
I have no argument with your points. Remember, I said the American consensus is basically right.
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#5
Can you please point out these people that believe life starts at birth and would have no problem
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#8
If they say that a fetus is the moral equivalent of a foreskin until birth and first breath
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#25
Where oh where do they these outliers on the internet advocate aborting a 9 month old fetus?
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#16
If you think it through, the logic of both cited sources says a lot about late term abortions.
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#24
The tiny extreme is a foil in the arguments of the huge extreme. But I know they are relatively tiny
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#26
There are no extremists on the pro-choice side to take on. They exist as much as those who believe
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#18
For this to make sense, you'd have to cite the extreme that advocates for aborting a full term fetus
Luminous Animal
Nov 2012
#7
Thanks. I should have looked up my terms. I was trying to avoid the word "baby."
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#14
And you need to look past minutia. When people focus extreme amounts of attention on
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#32
I take it you are "educated," but you can't see that my point had nothing to do with my mistake in
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#44
I did not insult your education or you. (Unless, of course you have multiple DU identities.)
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#63
You claim there are two extremes, but I've only seen one of them in the real world
fishwax
Nov 2012
#22
I know you didn't say they were equivalent in strength, but the value of the comparison depends,
fishwax
Nov 2012
#28
I agree that saying "a fetus is not a person" is not the same as saying "a fetus is just a
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#40
The positions are comparable in other ways, in that they are both religiious positions
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#55
Sure. Women are running around pregnant for 8 mos & then aborting for the hell of it. All the time.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#34
Yes, the OP talks about women running around for 8 months and then aborting the fetus for fun.
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#43
That presumption, or one like it, is the only way I can imagine anyone concocting the goofy example
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#47
So essentially, you can't think of a response to what I just said, so you need to put words in my
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#51
"Needs restriction" means "the situation as it currently is has some problem".
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#54
I agree that late term abortions are rare, as you say, and tend to be medically indicated. n/t
TPaine7
Nov 2012
#49
Nobody aborts a third trimester fetus unless the mother's life or health is seriously in danger
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2012
#60