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bigtree

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Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:06 AM Oct 2012

Can we see the futility now in expecting our Democrats to get credit in these debates? [View all]

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Having bought way into the media narrative about an Obama 'loss' in the last debate, there's no bottom; no end to the over-the-top criticisms of the president's 'performance,' and using that gripe to brush past the truth and substance of his remarks and responses to Romney's lies.

Now that we've had a clear rout of the pipsqueak, Ryan, by our experienced and seasoned VP Biden, it should come as no surprise that the second-half of the prevaricating republican ticket is given enough of a pass by pundits on his own obvious and easily proven lies to declare his performance equal with his weighty rival.

Folks who thought it was a good idea to give Romney ANY credit at all for that Greek dodge of a debate act of his, are stuck with Romney's media allies and apologists declaring that the excellent fight Joe Biden waged was some kind of 'damage control' for the last debate, instead of judging his debate with Ryan on its own merits.

Any fine point critics wanted to make about the President's debate -- or any fine point about the substance of Romney's myriad of lies and distortions -- will NEVER overcome the satisfaction the media and their conservative minions get from having folks (who are dead set against them and their republican nominees) running down their own candidate because of complaints about superficial issues and theatrics. Just listen to the right-wing critics complaining about the theater of VP's performance; all with the expressed purpose of obscuring the fact that Ryan couldn't hold his own on the facts of his own ticket's positions and initiatives; much less challenge Joe Biden on the actual substance of his responses.

Running our candidate down using theatrics and performance as benchmarks is a fools game designed by folks who are eager to distract from substance and truth. We should brush right past all of that and spend whatever window of opportunity we have to pass judgment on these debates criticizing the substance, rather than the cosmetics. Substance is what we want to be known for.

The theater will adjust itself according to the merits of our Democratic candidate's proposals; especially if we can manage to get behind them; brush past the petty criticisms; and add our voices to those actually care more about what was said, more than how it was delivered. Any other attitude by folks working to elect this President just surrenders that focus to the dilettantes and their deliberate fudging of the facts and truth of what's been said. The equalizing going on this morning of these two mismatched opponent's performances by the majority of the media proves that, without a doubt; joining their chorus is a fool's errand -- plain and simple.

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If you look at the MSNBC homepage right now Nevernose Oct 2012 #1
Last night, David Gergen (CNN) stated that "Ryan won on style." CrispyQ Oct 2012 #3
they said romney won on style. lets see, be aggressive and lie. style. mellow and lie, style. seabeyond Oct 2012 #7
This is how shallow our culture has become - you can win a debate on style. CrispyQ Oct 2012 #11
WTF? treestar Oct 2012 #15
yup. repugs immediately started putting out the fire. we blew on the flames and fanned them seabeyond Oct 2012 #2
OMG THANK YOU BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #4
this is why it's all the more important for us to be honest with ourselves DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #5
there is not ONE point that Romney made in that debate that he has been able to capitalize on bigtree Oct 2012 #9
It's not that I disagree with most of what you say here Time for change Oct 2012 #16
I do think there's value in confronting the opponent's lies during a debate bigtree Oct 2012 #17
I agree with you that much more credence should be given to substance than posture Time for change Oct 2012 #18
Romney was full of lies. On that we agree. But Obama lost ground where it mattered DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #19
Nate Silver bigtree Oct 2012 #20
It's a game of slim margins DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2012 #21
We DID get credit for last night's debate. Not as much as we should have. randome Oct 2012 #6
The MSM doesn't realize it, but their duplicity in reporting about these debates is MADem Oct 2012 #8
Interesting analogy. I think you're right. The old ways are slowly dying out. randome Oct 2012 #13
'Style' is the new 'lies'. HappyMe Oct 2012 #10
. n/t porphyrian Oct 2012 #12
I am convinced this is why Americans don't have Health Care Whisp Oct 2012 #14
There is a bias. That's why we always have to be on our game, at least 10 times better ecstatic Oct 2012 #22
. bigtree Oct 2012 #23
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