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326. an inaccurate one.

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 01:52 PM

Jan 2012

violence
[vahy-uh-luhns] ? Origin
vi·o·lence
? ?[vahy-uh-luhns] Show IPA
noun
1.
swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
2.
rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.
3.
an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws: to take over a government by violence.
4.
a violent act or proceeding.
5.
rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language: the violence of his hatred.

prostitution
[pros-ti-too-shuhn, -tyoo-] ?
pros·ti·tu·tion
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noun
1.
the act or practice of engaging in sexual intercourse for money.
2.
base or unworthy use, as of talent or ability.
Origin:
1545–55; < Late Latin prōstitūtiōn- (stem of prōstitūtiō ). See prostitute, -ion

Nothing requires that prostitution be violent or coercive. That it sometimes is doesn't mean that it has to be so. Moreover what is the difference between women who marry for money and women who sell sex? Seems like very little to me.

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Prostitution is Violence [View all] redqueen Jan 2012 OP

What is this vioence that you speak of? Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #1

You are unaware that prostitutes are beaten, redqueen Jan 2012 #3

You typed the title, only you know what I meant. Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #6

Drugs are not people. redqueen Jan 2012 #11

ONLY because it is Illegal FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #8

Untrue. redqueen Jan 2012 #9

Women in all professions are assaulted and murdered, how much more often TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #335

Prostitutes have a death rate 400% higher than women in any other profession. redqueen Jan 2012 #337

is having a man a biological necessity for a woman? i guess the same demand is there for male seabeyond Jan 2012 #13

Women have not been socialized to have this particular type of entitlement. redqueen Jan 2012 #19

the poster state having a body was a biological necessity. i am assuming he means both genders. seabeyond Jan 2012 #23

Oh ugh, I missed that edit. redqueen Jan 2012 #27

Sex is a biological necessity. If someone can't get it without buying Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #44

No, release is a need. Sex with another person is not. redqueen Jan 2012 #52

how is it a necessity? does one DIE without sex? Scout Jan 2012 #53

Technically speaking, even food, water, and shelter are not necessities. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #440

then again i ask, what about all those women that dont have a man? where is the necessity for the seabeyond Jan 2012 #69

There is no such necessity. Almost no women ever buy male prostitutes. Zalatix Jan 2012 #104

so, it is not biological necessity for women, but is for man? it is not biological necessity for seabeyond Jan 2012 #109

Huh? Sex is not a biological necessity for either species. That said, Zalatix Jan 2012 #118

really? and you would know this why? cause you are a man? as a woman, i say you are wrong seabeyond Jan 2012 #121

Anecdotally speaking? I don't see too many celibate nuns getting pregnant, or molesting kids. Zalatix Jan 2012 #127

maybe women are raised in a manner we do not feel the same entitlement and make do with a seabeyond Jan 2012 #130

"for either species" Boojatta Jan 2012 #176

Yes, I booboo'd. I meant, either GENDER, not species! Zalatix Jan 2012 #187

It's not a necessity for either. dawg Jan 2012 #183

i agree. thanks. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #194

The fact that I'm not dead is proof that I'm right. dawg Jan 2012 #199

me, too. me, too. but them days are long past seabeyond Jan 2012 #201

So the Dali Lama is a zombie? And all those nuns teaching in catholic schools? Matariki Jan 2012 #197

They will? What's wrong with Rosy Palm and her five daughters? n/t eridani Jan 2012 #246

Self service FrodosPet Feb 2012 #438

While not nearly as common, there are male prostitutes who MineralMan Jan 2012 #124

it is easy enough for me to agree with all you say. it is obvious seabeyond Jan 2012 #132

good luck with that nonsense iverglas Jan 2012 #64

"suggesting that men seek out prostitutes in order to propagate the species." Boojatta Jan 2012 #184

+10000000000000 Fawke Em Jan 2012 #2

Marriage ='s violence surfdog Jan 2012 #4

Nice straw man, but no. lapislzi Jan 2012 #45

Prostitution is customer service work. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #5

Increasing demand for taxi drivers, overnight workers, etc. is in no way like increasing demand for redqueen Jan 2012 #12

key word = 'underground' Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #22

How does that undo anything? Where it is legal, demand goes up. redqueen Jan 2012 #31

Not necessarily lapislzi Jan 2012 #48

Does Nevada have a higher rate of victimized trafficked people than the other 49 states? Freddie Stubbs Jan 2012 #103

well, someone has written a book on that subject iverglas Jan 2012 #134

I'd like to know how many times Farley has to be discredited LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #255

Her work is controversial. redqueen Jan 2012 #288

Depends on how you view the term discredited LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #362

Thankfully there are thousands of human rights workers who agree with Dr. Farley. redqueen Jan 2012 #364

I generally do disagree with outright liars LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #367

I can differentiate between lies and facts, thank you. redqueen Jan 2012 #370

She has discredited herself. kiva Jan 2012 #374

And there are many other researchers who agree. redqueen Jan 2012 #376

But the researcher in question was Farley. kiva Jan 2012 #380

Try addressing post #155 LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #381

You're asserting that when people agree with you, they're citing facts, redqueen Jan 2012 #383

No, LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #393

You claim that she's making prostitutes a lesser. redqueen Jan 2012 #395

You are refusing to distinguish between consent and force. LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #413

You're twisting words, misrepresenting arguments, and ignoring my points redqueen Jan 2012 #424

Only one county in Nevada (which does not include Vegas) has legalized prostitution PVnRT Jan 2012 #275

It's actually only illegal in 5 counties LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #371

I don't think you read the post you're responsing to.... daleanime Jan 2012 #26

Sex buyers who refuse to use condoms, enjoy inflicting pain, or enjoy practices legal prostitutes redqueen Jan 2012 #33

Why not? daleanime Jan 2012 #41

Why can I not simply write them off as collateral damage? redqueen Jan 2012 #47

If I was a sex worker in a world where sex work was legal lapislzi Jan 2012 #57

Do you disagree with the widely-held opinion that most sex workers come from backgrounds of abuse? redqueen Jan 2012 #62

Haven't seen the stats, but it seems logical lapislzi Jan 2012 #71

what happens is the demand increases, not that many women willing to be prostitutes seabeyond Jan 2012 #83

Just like marijuana. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #377

Hah! YOU think you'd have some CHOICE in the matter? Remember Me Jan 2012 #256

Of course they prefer better working conditions PVnRT Jan 2012 #276

Taxi driving and prostitution FrodosPet Feb 2012 #439

I have yet to hear of a customer service worker who was beaten or killed for "poor performance". whathehell Jan 2012 #72

I'm sorry, but: sez you iverglas Jan 2012 #85

You seem to be under the impression that words can mean whatever you want them to mean. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #7

Prostitution in Mexico Zorra Jan 2012 #112

since you cite Melissa Farley ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #141

First, about Andrea --- FALSE! Remember Me Jan 2012 #260

Right. It was qualified as All Sex is Rape "under patriarchy", which, in Dworkin/Mackinnon-land, Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #264

yes warren, consistently your argument. attack a womans sexuality to shut her up. not tired of it seabeyond Jan 2012 #273

and where did I do that? Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #363

easy, anyway. lol. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #366

No, you're quite wrong -- and clearly didn't read the Snopes article Remember Me Jan 2012 #434

Andrea Dworkin: "intercourse itself may be immune to reform" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #435

Oh, I see. If YOU don't understand it, don't get it, she must be mentally ill. Remember Me Jan 2012 #436

Andrea Dworkin, "Intercourse" (1987) ISBN 0-684-83239-9 Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #437

Are you suggesting that any job subject to violence should be banned? brooklynite Jan 2012 #10

legally doing those jobs creates a demand of child bartender slaves? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #15

So then, you want to ban all agricultural workers... brooklynite Jan 2012 #32

it would be companies, not workers and yes, that is doable to go after the companies. seabeyond Jan 2012 #87

If those jobs drove up demand for underground services redqueen Jan 2012 #16

Where is the evidence that legalization of prostitution increases the demand for underground EOTE Jan 2012 #65

All over the place. redqueen Jan 2012 #74

I was looking for evidence, not a claim. NT EOTE Jan 2012 #79

It has been widely accepted information for years. redqueen Jan 2012 #90

Widely accepted by whom? People who like to make claims with zero evidence to back them? EOTE Jan 2012 #92

The UN, the US State Department, etc. redqueen Jan 2012 #108

Ignore what? Claims made with zero evidence for them? EOTE Jan 2012 #113

You realize that is not evidence, right? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #81

See post 90. redqueen Jan 2012 #91

What studies? You haven't linked to any studies. Please provide them. NT EOTE Jan 2012 #94

This has been so widely accepted for so long that individual studies are not cited by the UN, the redqueen Jan 2012 #111

Ahhhh, so it's just common knowledge, right? EOTE Jan 2012 #116

Except you are analogous to the global warming deniers in this argument. redqueen Jan 2012 #123

Wrong. The global warming deniers don't need any factual support of their argument, they say it's EOTE Jan 2012 #129

Right, the UN and US Dept of State (and many other orgs) always accept claims with no evidence. redqueen Jan 2012 #136

So surely you should be able to provide this evidence, right? EOTE Jan 2012 #155

As I keep telling you, these most progressive countries.... redqueen Jan 2012 #175

What you provided was a claim by a person. That's a joke. EOTE Jan 2012 #180

Give it up. You are pissing in the wind. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #203

I would have thought she'd be a bit less overt about it. EOTE Jan 2012 #209

ah, the ole 'emotion' ploy. Whisp Jan 2012 #400

What else would you call it when you're willing to allow women to be subjegated EOTE Jan 2012 #414

. Whisp Jan 2012 #423

Yes, I'd definitely agree with that. NT EOTE Jan 2012 #425

redqueen - Zorra Jan 2012 #14

first google i came across seabeyond Jan 2012 #17

There are tons of links here. redqueen Jan 2012 #18

Oh, that's much easier than I anticipated. Thanks sb and rq. Zorra Jan 2012 #20

Looks like your link doesn't support your conclusion joeglow3 Jan 2012 #25

The link from Wikipedia that is used to source that assertion does not say what is claimed. redqueen Jan 2012 #40

So, now you are picking and choosing what parts of YOUR citation are accurate. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #51

That wasn't my citation. redqueen Jan 2012 #54

Oh, so when someone asked for support, your response is "go find it yourself." joeglow3 Jan 2012 #66

That person found the information they wanted easily. redqueen Jan 2012 #80

Some people will twist themselves in knots to avoid saying "oops" DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #382

check out the Talk wiki page on that article ;) iverglas Jan 2012 #142

Interesting paper here zappaman Jan 2012 #21

The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex. redqueen Jan 2012 #24

"The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex." Occulus Jan 2012 #34

Many men feel that they are entitled to sex. redqueen Jan 2012 #42

Agreed. whathehell Jan 2012 #78

The problem is the way women are socialized, Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #96

A fricking men! raccoon Jan 2012 #35

All prostitution underground vs some prostitution underground lapislzi Jan 2012 #59

No, you can't wave a wand redqueen Jan 2012 #169

It's a thorny problem lapislzi Jan 2012 #182

"women and their bodies are property, commodities to be bought, sold, and owned" redqueen Jan 2012 #192

While I agree with you in principle, prostitution has been around for millennia. lapislzi Jan 2012 #318

Patriarchy has been around for millennia. redqueen Jan 2012 #321

"To feel that they are entitled to sex." You win the thread. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #285

Ha, no, I'm just one of a small handful of anti-sex, pearl-clutching, hysterical prudes, redqueen Jan 2012 #289

The "anti-sex" crap is why I'm convinced that the "Sexual Revolution" was a failure. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #298

We went from "woman as virgin" to "woman as whore". seabeyond Jan 2012 #305

You know what's really telling... redqueen Jan 2012 #317

free love was never free for women. Whisp Jan 2012 #387

Exactly. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #402

I'm not too fond of the Bring home the bacon and fry it in the Pan idea too Whisp Jan 2012 #403

would that include each and every rape that the increased demand would cause sex slave and child sex seabeyond Jan 2012 #28

A few questions joeglow3 Jan 2012 #38

It isn't that it creates more pedophiles. redqueen Jan 2012 #49

So, if outlawing abortion led to a reduction in child rapes, you would support that as well? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #55

are there really men in the US who do not have access to prostitutes? iverglas Jan 2012 #56

Certainly I see your point in the case of unregulated street walkers JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #29

Most actresses in porn also come from abusive backgrounds. redqueen Jan 2012 #67

Is that true? zappaman Jan 2012 #76

Point taken, but I still find the subject of regulation debatable JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #77

why leave it for another thread? Same deal, you don't agree with the choices they make Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #267

I have a feeling that redqueen finds prostitution "icky" RevStPatrick Jan 2012 #30

so RedQueen is just uptight and hates sex? zazen Jan 2012 #50

so RevStPatrick supports exploiting women and rape? joeglow3 Jan 2012 #60

I don't entirely agree with the good reverend... JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #88

no, on DU we are definitely NOT beyond that line of argument... Scout Jan 2012 #68

i have been told that so often and so many times.... hey, just last night. that is what 2nd wave seabeyond Jan 2012 #97

We're also not beyond the argument that all sex workers must be psychologically damaged..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #221

Who said "all"? redqueen Jan 2012 #222

Oh, so you admit there are at least some who willingly participate of their own free will? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #224

All I'm saying is that our priority as a society, IMO, redqueen Jan 2012 #227

"oh, well" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #236

"And if that infringes on some people who want to sell their bodies or buy access to other people's Occulus Jan 2012 #240

Like I said, IMO our primary responsibility as a society is to protect those redqueen Jan 2012 #58

there are whole countries with this "attitude". those draconians countries like sweden, denmark. seabeyond Jan 2012 #93

It's illegal pretty much everywhere in the US jberryhill Jan 2012 #36

No, it isn't pretty much covered. We are not sufficiently focusing on demand. redqueen Jan 2012 #95

Sending people to jail over paying for or accepting money for sex is silly. phleshdef Jan 2012 #37

You are obviously unfamiliar with the Swedish method of dealing with prostitution. redqueen Jan 2012 #98

I really don't give a shit. You shouldn't go to jail for paying for sex either. phleshdef Jan 2012 #135

The many victims of human trafficking thank you for your concern, I'm sure. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #140

Wow, thats a whole field of strawmen right there. Human traffickers should rot in prison. phleshdef Jan 2012 #150

fact disagrees with you. hence the point of the OP. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #151

It has nothing to do with facts. Its none of your god damn business what consenting adults do. phleshdef Jan 2012 #159

What bullshit? redqueen Jan 2012 #154

Correlation does not imply causation. phleshdef Jan 2012 #161

It's not "my" logic. redqueen Jan 2012 #163

And I'd tell them, straight to their faces, they have no business arresting and locking up people... phleshdef Jan 2012 #167

I'm sure that your personal opinions would carry more weight redqueen Jan 2012 #171

Yea, its SO god damn progressive to arrest people for not doing anything wrong. phleshdef Jan 2012 #177

After reading a lot of the trafficking numbers from different countries LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #385

That makes perfect sense. More focus on catching traffickers = more known traffickers. phleshdef Jan 2012 #397

And exactly what does human trafficking, as horrible as it is, have to do with Occulus Jan 2012 #241

Many of those prostitutes are trafficked. redqueen Jan 2012 #349

that is why you decriminalize being a prostitute and go after the buyer. as sweden has done and seabeyond Jan 2012 #100

Is there a study on violence and the bunny ranch? (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #39

See my post #255 LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #262

I just have a couple of questions about this. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #43

See my response #70 below. closeupready Jan 2012 #73

1. That is a very good question. redqueen Jan 2012 #107

Having lived in Holland where prostitution is legal FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #46

What is "illegal" as far as prostitution goes in Holland? whathehell Jan 2012 #84

Legal prostitutes are registered and located in known areas. FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #287

Just curious: whathehell Jan 2012 #361

Holland may not be the best example. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #101

There is always problems with regulation FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #292

so, you went from, everything is bless to there are problems". which is exactly the point seabeyond Jan 2012 #295

Not exactly, the OP title states prostitution is violence FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #306

It's a metaphor. Jeez is it really so hard to get? redqueen Jan 2012 #311

ok. you cant get past the title. fuck the rest of what was said. holland has a seabeyond Jan 2012 #312

I don't see the need for anger or a crass response FlaGatorJD Jan 2012 #341

but you did not say that. did you. you go after the title and misrepresented what is happening seabeyond Jan 2012 #345

The Netherlands is listed by the UNODC as a top destination for victims of human trafficking seabeyond Jan 2012 #106

No response to this, of course. redqueen Jan 2012 #291

What kind of response did you want? LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #389

Yes, that developing country is totally analogous redqueen Jan 2012 #392

OK then LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #394

I don't believe that anyone should EVER be forced to particpate in ANYTHING they don't want to Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #61

So let me get this straight: Eliminator Jan 2012 #63

This weekend, I re-watched the documentary on Aileen Wuornos, closeupready Jan 2012 #70

Yes....Her background, starting when she was abandoned by her parents at 13 yrs old, was atrocious. whathehell Jan 2012 #86

Yes, watching her story from 20+ years on, it seemed really clear to me. closeupready Jan 2012 #105

Exactly. n/t whathehell Jan 2012 #110

Masturbation should be good enough VWolf Jan 2012 #75

How Do You Get Any Work Done? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2012 #173

I've got two hands. N/t VWolf Jan 2012 #277

For resisting Prostitution Ring: "Man kidnaps woman, forces her to watch teen's torture slay" whathehell Jan 2012 #82

SO much for allowing someone to sell themselves if they want Froward69 Jan 2012 #89

Your body, your choice only applies to one thing (nt) The Straight Story Jan 2012 #114

I don't engage in discussions with anyone who compares dating with prostitution. redqueen Jan 2012 #117

Prostitution is irrelevant to the issue of men abusing women. phleshdef Jan 2012 #152

I share the opinion held by the most progressive countries on the planet, redqueen Jan 2012 #178

You hold the view of people that believe its ok to tell you what you can and can't do with your body phleshdef Jan 2012 #181

I'm not here to "win" an argument. redqueen Jan 2012 #188

"I don't need lists of numbers and statistics" EOTE Jan 2012 #190

Since you're now just outright calling me a liar and claiming I don't know what I'm talking about, redqueen Jan 2012 #193

You've done a plenty good job yourself at that. EOTE Jan 2012 #195

i never start with eote and if i do, seabeyond Jan 2012 #196

Theres no study that can tell me that people deserve to be arrested solely for exchanging $$$ & sex. phleshdef Jan 2012 #191

"Consensus of experts". Is that like "common wisdom"? aquart Jan 2012 #214

"ALL sex has a cost... Dinner, Movies or other date activities." ALL women prostitute seabeyond Jan 2012 #119

why is this not a surprise? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #379

lol, why is that not so surprising? nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #384

Right. That's what I am asking of you. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #386

why would i call out a poster that implies all women are prostitutes one way or another? now, why seabeyond Jan 2012 #416

"for the most part" iverglas Jan 2012 #157

It sounds like a workable solution to the problem where the women Cleita Jan 2012 #99

Unfortunately there has been many studies over the years and this is what we know: Harmony Blue Jan 2012 #102

knowledgeable progressive voices agree iverglas Jan 2012 #115

Thank you very, very much for your posts on this issue. redqueen Jan 2012 #120

iverglas and redqueen ChazII Jan 2012 #170

It is my pleasure to do so. And I'm so very sorry for your neighbor's daughter... redqueen Jan 2012 #172

thank you, too iverglas Jan 2012 #174

Honest question pipoman Jan 2012 #244

The daughter was kidnapped in retaliation to ChazII Jan 2012 #263

+ one zillion musette_sf Jan 2012 #202

Politically incorrect response, I'll probably be hung for this... Zalatix Jan 2012 #122

and this is true also, and should be a part of the equation. seabeyond Jan 2012 #128

I'm at a loss as to how to make prostitution go away. I'd like to see it go away. Zalatix Jan 2012 #131

agreed. sweden has hit on something that is helping. it certainly is not eliminating it seabeyond Jan 2012 #133

well, we can put an end to "gold digging" by rich old farts hanging on to their money... Scout Jan 2012 #153

As long as value is assigned to the sex act as a commodity lapislzi Jan 2012 #185

i had no problem escaping the economics of it seabeyond Jan 2012 #198

They can all move to the shengen special economic zone and work for Foxconn. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #257

The problem is that prohibiting or legalizing prostitution doesn't address the problem Zalatix Jan 2012 #419

saltpeter Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #420

Prostitution is a contractual relationship. Profit may be theft, but it isn't necessarily assault. leveymg Jan 2012 #125

You provide no actual data to back up your claims. originalpckelly Jan 2012 #126

There is so much data on this that it is now common knowledge for such disreputable organizations redqueen Jan 2012 #138

Prostitution is inextricably associated with violence. MineralMan Jan 2012 #137

Yes, it is a metaphor. A common one used by those who are activists in this area. redqueen Jan 2012 #139

Sex and black markets are both inextricably associated with violence. phleshdef Jan 2012 #156

Prostitution is part of the black market in the US. MineralMan Jan 2012 #160

People are subject to danger and exploitation of violence just by walking down the street... phleshdef Jan 2012 #165

Indirectly people are yes, not directly Rex Jan 2012 #411

Prostitution involving consenting adults does not need to be illegal in order to protect children phleshdef Jan 2012 #421

"I have no doubt that most experience violence at some point" Boojatta Jan 2012 #212

But, you see, I'm not talking about police officers. The topic in this thread MineralMan Jan 2012 #249

The vast majority of prostitution pipoman Jan 2012 #259

"Human rights expert says supporting prostitution is violence against women" redqueen Jan 2012 #143

Prostitution should be legal. bowens43 Jan 2012 #144

Did you read anything about the topic? redqueen Jan 2012 #145

Your mind is clearly made up on the subject. EOTE Jan 2012 #158

Yes, those stupid Scandinavian countries, redqueen Jan 2012 #164

Making up what, exactly? You've still yet to provide a single scientific study on the matter. EOTE Jan 2012 #168

Who needs any study? Its a question of personal liberty. phleshdef Jan 2012 #186

I would certainly agree with this. EOTE Jan 2012 #189

Something left out of the discussion so far. RC Jan 2012 #146

A hug from a family member or friend fulfills the need for touch. redqueen Jan 2012 #147

It's pretty clear to me you have no concept of what a sex therapist.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #223

Sex is not a need. redqueen Jan 2012 #229

Do you believe that sex enriches one's life and is part of a complete human experience? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #234

Yes, so does art. And music. And games. redqueen Jan 2012 #235

Have you given up sex, to show it's not a need? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #238

No, but I have given it up for years redqueen Jan 2012 #239

You're the one who compared sex to music and art ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #243

Of course not. It is the sale of access to the person's body that commodifies them. redqueen Jan 2012 #293

The sex is part of the touch. RC Jan 2012 #258

Sex is way more than just touch. redqueen Jan 2012 #304

You can say this comfortably because you've had sex ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #396

and the reason women are not buying men at the same rate? they are all that, too. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #149

Biologically, women have more at stake (pregnancy), so they are more choosey. RC Jan 2012 #162

well... seabeyond Jan 2012 #166

I think your view is a little too stark but I get the point ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #232

Prostitution should be legalized.. Upton Jan 2012 #148

No it isn't! DeathToTheOil Jan 2012 #179

"entitlement" is thinking that it's your job to tell consenting adults what sorts of Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #200

is there the remotest chance ... iverglas Jan 2012 #211

Stop pretending Eliminator Jan 2012 #215

it's the number two cheerleader iverglas Jan 2012 #216

I'll take "Zen Telegrams" for 400, Alex! Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #219

Square Boobs! Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #218

"Anything remotely sexual involving a woman is sexist" redqueen Jan 2012 #225

No. But anything involving a man being sexually attracted to a woman, particularly on the basis of Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #268

Wrong again. redqueen Jan 2012 #278

I'm trying to imagine a thread where men expressing admiration for a sexy, scantily clad female Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #365

On a forum or in a place that was intended for people to objectify women. redqueen Jan 2012 #368

You've decided that it's your job to enter that "safe space" to helpfully tell men Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #372

You are so sure you know what other people are thinking... redqueen Jan 2012 #373

what makes you so sure the men in the men's group aren't capable of opening our own Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #375

I didn't say ANYTHING about what *I* think. redqueen Jan 2012 #378

and there are plenty of *gasp* women and feminists who identify as sex positive Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #404

In fact, part of the reason for the third wave was a rejection of attitudes such as the OPs stevenleser Jan 2012 #408

All you seem to do, these days, is accuse people of lying about you or other people Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #217

odd - and there you go again iverglas Jan 2012 #220

I don't think they're intending to lie or misrepresent arguments. redqueen Jan 2012 #226

oh, I'm not talking about that iverglas Jan 2012 #231

Ah yes, you're right. redqueen Jan 2012 #233

I have to begone iverglas Jan 2012 #242

LOL! redqueen Jan 2012 #294

I have a question. Boojatta Jan 2012 #248

simple answer iverglas Jan 2012 #251

Well, I don't know that I qualify for non-random status myself. Boojatta Jan 2012 #254

You also thought the 'random person' was misrepresenting your objection to a thread Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #266

"your face goes here" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #269

Since slavery and prostitution go hand and hand Rex Jan 2012 #204

Slavery and labor often go hand in hand too. I guess we should arrest people for working. phleshdef Jan 2012 #228

Not really what you said is silly. Rex Jan 2012 #410

Um no, what you're saying is based on puritanical bullshit that seeks to control people's bodies. phleshdef Jan 2012 #422

Quite the diatribe there.. pipoman Jan 2012 #205

What's the point in linking to advocacy groups? redqueen Jan 2012 #206

Countries with legalized prostitution have 257% less violence due to the sex-trade. EOTE Jan 2012 #207

this is no diferrent than the drug war - prohibition leads to black markets leads to arely staircase Jan 2012 #208

I disagree. See posts 182 and 192. redqueen Jan 2012 #210

that is a good argument for better regulation, but not for going back to an arely staircase Jan 2012 #213

Demand also goes up in countries where they allow people to have sex at all. phleshdef Jan 2012 #230

Germany is one of the few countries that has solid data on the subject before and after legalization EOTE Jan 2012 #282

Are the Germans doing something different or is it just an anomaly? TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #329

I would suspect it has something to do with reporting issues. redqueen Jan 2012 #330

70% Rise in German Sex Trafficking Due to Legal Prostitution? seabeyond Jan 2012 #334

This is why I didn't do the link thing in the OP. redqueen Jan 2012 #338

i get that. certainly. i am not gonna concede all is bless in germany. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #346

This is the link that the article drew from LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #391

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This got posted upthread LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #430

Is this your monthly or semi-annual anti-prostitution thread? RetroLounge Jan 2012 #237

Aw, your obsession with me is cute. redqueen Jan 2012 #296

it is the fact that you dared to speak out in ONE op that has some rattled. nt seabeyond Jan 2012 #297

So a reply to you is now an obsession? RetroLounge Jan 2012 #405

No, you imagining scenarios where I'm posting monthly or semi-annually redqueen Jan 2012 #426

Once again, all you say is something is evidence RetroLounge Jan 2012 #431

Yep, exactly. Your'e just talking nonsense. redqueen Jan 2012 #432

Obsess much? RetroLounge Jan 2012 #433

One new thought and a summary of what I read maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #245

i supported legalization until i didnt. seabeyond Jan 2012 #247

Great post LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #261

thanks for continuing the discussion in a rational manner, very helpful sources... maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #272

I haven't seen anything, anywhere suggesting LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #406

the photo IS touching, but I can't help but wonder about her posing for a photograph maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #415

There comes a point of frustration where you just don't care anymore. LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #427

ok, I finally got around to digging through your sources maggiesfarmer Jan 2012 #417

I'd like to see that study done too LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #428

I call BS on the OP; greiner3 Jan 2012 #250

Having read a fair amount of research done kiva Jan 2012 #252

I have no opinion on this that I want to share on DU but... justiceischeap Jan 2012 #283

I think if there were problems they would eventually kiva Jan 2012 #315

I knew this thread would be gold. flvegan Jan 2012 #253

Always. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #265

so is football lovemydog Jan 2012 #270

Simply because a profession has some risk of violence, redqueen Jan 2012 #299

I saw a special about a year ago ohheckyeah Jan 2012 #271

Where did I say "eliminate prostitution"? The Swedish method of reducing violence against women redqueen Jan 2012 #300

I didn't say you did. ohheckyeah Jan 2012 #353

SMH Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #274

It's not my plan. It's working in Sweden. redqueen Jan 2012 #301

Amazing how few can discuss this rationally without resorting to ad hominems and strawmen PVnRT Jan 2012 #279

I wish it was amazing. It is, instead, sadly typical. redqueen Jan 2012 #302

What kind of feminism Upton Jan 2012 #280

It seems that most people are not familiar with the Swedish redqueen Jan 2012 #281

I haven't kept up with this thread. randome Jan 2012 #284

No, not in relation to sex. redqueen Jan 2012 #303

Here. randome Jan 2012 #339

So you think the idea that some men absolutely must use another person's body redqueen Jan 2012 #340

Everyone is different. randome Jan 2012 #343

The terms are used in the context of describing a very specific idea. redqueen Jan 2012 #348

Why Would Demand Go Up When It's Legal? Yavin4 Jan 2012 #286

sweden not only arrests and fines, but puts picture of jon in paper. demand goes down. there are seabeyond Jan 2012 #290

"...social pressure off, demand goes up" That's The Exact Same Argument Against Allowing Gays... Yavin4 Jan 2012 #307

absurd assumption with no factual evidence to support it. seabeyond Jan 2012 #313

Your Argument Is Very Similar To the Pope's Argument Yavin4 Jan 2012 #323

In This Crapo Economy DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2012 #308

And that's probably a wonderful thing, to some people. redqueen Jan 2012 #309

Hating on the Job Creators vminfla Jan 2012 #310

yes, and you can be the first new prostitute, sucking off stangers for your lunch money, yay! n/t Scout Jan 2012 #316

sorry, I make more money than 93.6% of Americans vminfla Jan 2012 #333

i don't think you'll need one, have at it n/t Scout Jan 2012 #409

I have lived in countries where prostitution is legal (South Korea being one of them) Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #314

That's simply untrue. redqueen Jan 2012 #319

Do a little living in other countries as I have for the past six years, you will learn alot too Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #324

LOL...classic... I prove you wrong, I get ignored. redqueen Jan 2012 #331

lol. . .no, again. . .live in other countries and get off your high horse Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #407

No prostitution is prostition. Violence is violence. ddeclue Jan 2012 #320

It's a metaphor. See post 143. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #322

an inaccurate one. ddeclue Jan 2012 #326

Did you read the post about the human rights expert? redqueen Jan 2012 #327

I just did. Facts are facts. The two words mean different things. ddeclue Jan 2012 #328

Constant male bashing? redqueen Jan 2012 #332

Prostitution is illegal about everywhere in the country, it doesn't seem to be working at all. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #325

In Sweden only buying sex is criminalized. redqueen Jan 2012 #336

You Keep Citing Sweden, But Offer No Hard Evidence That It's Working Yavin4 Jan 2012 #342

Like I keep saying, link battles are IMO not productive. redqueen Jan 2012 #344

Link battles aren't productive IYO, because no objective data illustrates your point. EOTE Jan 2012 #352

Not just police entrapment, but entrapment in general. EOTE Jan 2012 #351

What about the men who are raped of their money? Burgman Jan 2012 #347

"What about the men who are raped of their money? " redqueen Jan 2012 #350

Now calling me out as a racist? Burgman Jan 2012 #355

No, I didn't call you out as a racist. GMAFB. redqueen Jan 2012 #357

Tell me. what is "GMAFB?" Burgman Jan 2012 #359

It means redqueen Jan 2012 #360

I have known some lovely "prostitutes" in my life. Burgman Jan 2012 #354

Ay Caramba Dude... LadyHawkAZ Jan 2012 #412

Culture of violence against men Charlemagne Jan 2012 #356

This is a topic for another thread, though. redqueen Jan 2012 #358

Ignorance is Strength! tabasco Jan 2012 #369

Can you provide some harder data on these questions? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #388

There are many studies. redqueen Jan 2012 #390

so is it a wash, then? tnvoter Jan 2012 #399

occupational hazards abound tnvoter Jan 2012 #398

Prostitution has moved to the internet anyway ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2012 #401

What people enjoy is what they enjoy and as long as it's consensual and involves adults, whatever. arely staircase Jan 2012 #429