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betsuni

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76. I agree about Bill Maher. I dread OPs after his shows because they

Sun Dec 6, 2020, 07:22 AM

Dec 2020

make me mad -- all the comments like: "I haven't watched his show in twenty years. If terrorists put a gun to my head forcing me to watch I'd tell them to pull the trigger. He once said decades ago he was a libertarian! HE SUCKS. I HATE HIM." Why anyone thinks this is an interesting comment to make about whatever was discussed on the show, which they don't know because they didn't watch, I don't know. Why people think having a variety of guests of many different political types on talk shows is evidence of YOU SUCK and they should have only guests they agree with -- stupid.

I bought and read Woody Allen's recently released memoir and am now watching "A Rainy Day in New York." One of my favorite movies is "Midnight in Paris." I will buy Garrison Keillor's new memoir. I still love Louis C.K. I love "Real Time with Bill Maher." I'm an adult able to listen or read whoever the hell I want and not freak out.

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Joe From Scranton Didn't Win Back Working Class [View all] applegrove Dec 2020 OP

He will. LakeArenal Dec 2020 #1

not good news northoftheborder Dec 2020 #2

Conclusion: we need to make college affordable to KPN Dec 2020 #3

I like your line of reasoning. c-rational Dec 2020 #6

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Higher education doesn't only include 4 year degrees. It also includes trade schools, Doremus Dec 2020 #37

Thanks for that. I 100% agree with everything you said. KPN Dec 2020 #43

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This is why the GOP focused on filling Boards of Education back in the 80s. CrispyQ Dec 2020 #16

Not everyone needs a college degree. SMC22307 Dec 2020 #27

I agree. That doesn't mean don't make it affordable for everyone. KPN Dec 2020 #44

Agree. And I feel we really need to push two-year degrees and the trades. SMC22307 Dec 2020 #46

Yup. In part it's about encouraging goals with avenues for getting there. KPN Dec 2020 #48

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Nope. SMC22307 Dec 2020 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Dec 2020 #4

Because Democrats are terrible at messaging edhopper Dec 2020 #11

But regionally it does exboyfil Dec 2020 #19

I am not worried about winning W Virginia or Wyoming edhopper Dec 2020 #23

Good god I am tired of that line. SlogginThroughIt Dec 2020 #22

I agree that there is a problem edhopper Dec 2020 #24

Maybe messaging isn't the problem StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #29

The dude won. That's kinda' the bottom line. n/t DonaldsRump Dec 2020 #5

The final result of where the blue collar worker's alliegence will go depends upon what napi21 Dec 2020 #7

Blue collar workers have nothing so they stop thinking rationally and start looking for applegrove Dec 2020 #8

I know many blue collar workers that do quite well for themselves MichMan Dec 2020 #41

But union membership has gone down in the last 40 years. Those people no longer applegrove Dec 2020 #45

Ronald Reagan broke the back of the unions. Workers are the ones who have to start them again... Hekate Dec 2020 #69

Yes, with unions comes more economic class consciousness. betsuni Dec 2020 #72

He won enough to win the presidency. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #9

Every time I turn around I bump into this. We have GOT to improve our education... LAS14 Dec 2020 #10

And they voted for Brexit and Johnson frazzled Dec 2020 #13

Our messaging is terrible edhopper Dec 2020 #12

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Um. No. Racism and economic anxiety are NOT "two sides of the same coin" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #68

That "Democrats abandoned the working class for wealthy donors/corporations" talking point betsuni Dec 2020 #74

Yup StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #75

It's like we don't believe in marketing. CrispyQ Dec 2020 #18

There's nothing wrong with our messaging StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #70

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #71

exit POLLS Nimble_Idea Dec 2020 #14

+1 cry baby Dec 2020 #20

And the white working class is getting ready to put two crooked exboyfil Dec 2020 #21

Biden Won Back (Enough of) the White Working Class bigtree Dec 2020 #25

Condescension/elitism is the problem, dividing all by "college" or not-college. UTUSN Dec 2020 #26

I'm tired of Democrats being blamed for "elitism" while white working class continue to vote StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #30

Well, I'm tired of voicing whatever & having it shot down arbitrarily. And discussion is futile when UTUSN Dec 2020 #32

+1000 AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #36

Bravo! StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #49

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Did you stumble into the wrong place? StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #59

They are fine voting for Republicans that support NAFTA JI7 Dec 2020 #63

I agree about Bill Maher. I dread OPs after his shows because they betsuni Dec 2020 #76

Exit polls are useless this cycle AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #28

I think exit polls should be taken with caution this time but you're wrong. Drunken Irishman Dec 2020 #34

They included those who voted early but not mail voters AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #35

This is wrong. They absolutely did. Drunken Irishman Dec 2020 #54

+1, Polls are useless this cycle uponit7771 Dec 2020 #38

This election had almost nothing to with class consciousness tirebiter Dec 2020 #31

Joe Biden did better than Hillary with working class voters. Drunken Irishman Dec 2020 #33

Yes I'm going to post that very thing uponit7771 Dec 2020 #39

Why are these articles so much against saying "white working class" versus working class? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #40

This isn't a resolvable difference Azathoth Dec 2020 #42

I was a union rep from 1970-2010. Members went from strong Democrats to strong Republicans. Midnight Writer Dec 2020 #47

At this point, the only way a change in Democratic "messaging" will get these people back StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #50

Exactly and it's frustrating so many white people who claim to be Democrats JI7 Dec 2020 #58

Exactly - Republican messaging is more effective BECAUSE THEY AGREE WITH THE MESSAGE StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #64

Just like with Fox news where they listened becsuse they agreed and stopped JI7 Dec 2020 #67

Remember all the food bank lines??? LeftInTX Dec 2020 #51

Hate radio and Fox "News" has much of the working class brainwashed Yeehah Dec 2020 #57

But they didn't listen to Fox News when they reported Biden won JI7 Dec 2020 #61

There is a lot of bs in this article . Biden DID increase support from 2016 JI7 Dec 2020 #60

Better studies are needed this time treestar Dec 2020 #62

Yep, we keep playing favorites and pushing the "do not push this button" button. gulliver Dec 2020 #65

I don't call garnering 80 million votes a "flight" from either Joe or the Democratic Party... Hekate Dec 2020 #66

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #73