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In reply to the discussion: Prostitution is Violence [View all]redqueen
(115,103 posts)123. Except you are analogous to the global warming deniers in this argument.
Demanding to see numbers and studies and evidence of the problem, while most progressive organizations and people have moved on to the next step - addressing the problem.
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Women in all professions are assaulted and murdered, how much more often
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#335
Prostitutes have a death rate 400% higher than women in any other profession.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#337
is having a man a biological necessity for a woman? i guess the same demand is there for male
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#13
the poster state having a body was a biological necessity. i am assuming he means both genders.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#23
then again i ask, what about all those women that dont have a man? where is the necessity for the
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#69
so, it is not biological necessity for women, but is for man? it is not biological necessity for
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#109
really? and you would know this why? cause you are a man? as a woman, i say you are wrong
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#121
Anecdotally speaking? I don't see too many celibate nuns getting pregnant, or molesting kids.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#127
maybe women are raised in a manner we do not feel the same entitlement and make do with a
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#130
So the Dali Lama is a zombie? And all those nuns teaching in catholic schools?
Matariki
Jan 2012
#197
"suggesting that men seek out prostitutes in order to propagate the species."
Boojatta
Jan 2012
#184
Increasing demand for taxi drivers, overnight workers, etc. is in no way like increasing demand for
redqueen
Jan 2012
#12
Does Nevada have a higher rate of victimized trafficked people than the other 49 states?
Freddie Stubbs
Jan 2012
#103
Thankfully there are thousands of human rights workers who agree with Dr. Farley.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#364
Only one county in Nevada (which does not include Vegas) has legalized prostitution
PVnRT
Jan 2012
#275
Sex buyers who refuse to use condoms, enjoy inflicting pain, or enjoy practices legal prostitutes
redqueen
Jan 2012
#33
Do you disagree with the widely-held opinion that most sex workers come from backgrounds of abuse?
redqueen
Jan 2012
#62
what happens is the demand increases, not that many women willing to be prostitutes
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#83
I have yet to hear of a customer service worker who was beaten or killed for "poor performance".
whathehell
Jan 2012
#72
You seem to be under the impression that words can mean whatever you want them to mean.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#7
Right. It was qualified as All Sex is Rape "under patriarchy", which, in Dworkin/Mackinnon-land,
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#264
yes warren, consistently your argument. attack a womans sexuality to shut her up. not tired of it
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#273
Oh, I see. If YOU don't understand it, don't get it, she must be mentally ill.
Remember Me
Jan 2012
#436
it would be companies, not workers and yes, that is doable to go after the companies.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#87
Where is the evidence that legalization of prostitution increases the demand for underground
EOTE
Jan 2012
#65
Widely accepted by whom? People who like to make claims with zero evidence to back them?
EOTE
Jan 2012
#92
This has been so widely accepted for so long that individual studies are not cited by the UN, the
redqueen
Jan 2012
#111
Wrong. The global warming deniers don't need any factual support of their argument, they say it's
EOTE
Jan 2012
#129
Right, the UN and US Dept of State (and many other orgs) always accept claims with no evidence.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#136
The link from Wikipedia that is used to source that assertion does not say what is claimed.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#40
So, now you are picking and choosing what parts of YOUR citation are accurate.
joeglow3
Jan 2012
#51
Oh, so when someone asked for support, your response is "go find it yourself."
joeglow3
Jan 2012
#66
The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#24
"The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex."
Occulus
Jan 2012
#34
"women and their bodies are property, commodities to be bought, sold, and owned"
redqueen
Jan 2012
#192
While I agree with you in principle, prostitution has been around for millennia.
lapislzi
Jan 2012
#318
Ha, no, I'm just one of a small handful of anti-sex, pearl-clutching, hysterical prudes,
redqueen
Jan 2012
#289
The "anti-sex" crap is why I'm convinced that the "Sexual Revolution" was a failure.
Odin2005
Jan 2012
#298
would that include each and every rape that the increased demand would cause sex slave and child sex
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#28
So, if outlawing abortion led to a reduction in child rapes, you would support that as well?
joeglow3
Jan 2012
#55
why leave it for another thread? Same deal, you don't agree with the choices they make
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#267
i have been told that so often and so many times.... hey, just last night. that is what 2nd wave
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#97
We're also not beyond the argument that all sex workers must be psychologically damaged.....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#221
Oh, so you admit there are at least some who willingly participate of their own free will?
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#224
"And if that infringes on some people who want to sell their bodies or buy access to other people's
Occulus
Jan 2012
#240
there are whole countries with this "attitude". those draconians countries like sweden, denmark.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#93
You are obviously unfamiliar with the Swedish method of dealing with prostitution.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#98
I really don't give a shit. You shouldn't go to jail for paying for sex either.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#135
The many victims of human trafficking thank you for your concern, I'm sure. (nt)
redqueen
Jan 2012
#140
Wow, thats a whole field of strawmen right there. Human traffickers should rot in prison.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#150
It has nothing to do with facts. Its none of your god damn business what consenting adults do.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#159
And I'd tell them, straight to their faces, they have no business arresting and locking up people...
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#167
Yea, its SO god damn progressive to arrest people for not doing anything wrong.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#177
That makes perfect sense. More focus on catching traffickers = more known traffickers.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#397
And exactly what does human trafficking, as horrible as it is, have to do with
Occulus
Jan 2012
#241
that is why you decriminalize being a prostitute and go after the buyer. as sweden has done and
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#100
so, you went from, everything is bless to there are problems". which is exactly the point
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#295
ok. you cant get past the title. fuck the rest of what was said. holland has a
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#312
but you did not say that. did you. you go after the title and misrepresented what is happening
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#345
The Netherlands is listed by the UNODC as a top destination for victims of human trafficking
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#106
I don't believe that anyone should EVER be forced to particpate in ANYTHING they don't want to
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2012
#61
Yes....Her background, starting when she was abandoned by her parents at 13 yrs old, was atrocious.
whathehell
Jan 2012
#86
For resisting Prostitution Ring: "Man kidnaps woman, forces her to watch teen's torture slay"
whathehell
Jan 2012
#82
I don't engage in discussions with anyone who compares dating with prostitution.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#117
You hold the view of people that believe its ok to tell you what you can and can't do with your body
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#181
Since you're now just outright calling me a liar and claiming I don't know what I'm talking about,
redqueen
Jan 2012
#193
Theres no study that can tell me that people deserve to be arrested solely for exchanging $$$ & sex.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#191
"ALL sex has a cost... Dinner, Movies or other date activities." ALL women prostitute
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#119
why would i call out a poster that implies all women are prostitutes one way or another? now, why
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#416
Unfortunately there has been many studies over the years and this is what we know:
Harmony Blue
Jan 2012
#102
It is my pleasure to do so. And I'm so very sorry for your neighbor's daughter...
redqueen
Jan 2012
#172
I'm at a loss as to how to make prostitution go away. I'd like to see it go away.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#131
agreed. sweden has hit on something that is helping. it certainly is not eliminating it
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#133
well, we can put an end to "gold digging" by rich old farts hanging on to their money...
Scout
Jan 2012
#153
They can all move to the shengen special economic zone and work for Foxconn.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2012
#257
The problem is that prohibiting or legalizing prostitution doesn't address the problem
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#419
Prostitution is a contractual relationship. Profit may be theft, but it isn't necessarily assault.
leveymg
Jan 2012
#125
There is so much data on this that it is now common knowledge for such disreputable organizations
redqueen
Jan 2012
#138
Yes, it is a metaphor. A common one used by those who are activists in this area.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#139
People are subject to danger and exploitation of violence just by walking down the street...
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#165
Prostitution involving consenting adults does not need to be illegal in order to protect children
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#421
But, you see, I'm not talking about police officers. The topic in this thread
MineralMan
Jan 2012
#249
Making up what, exactly? You've still yet to provide a single scientific study on the matter.
EOTE
Jan 2012
#168
It's pretty clear to me you have no concept of what a sex therapist....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#223
Do you believe that sex enriches one's life and is part of a complete human experience?
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#234
Of course not. It is the sale of access to the person's body that commodifies them.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#293
and the reason women are not buying men at the same rate? they are all that, too. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#149
"entitlement" is thinking that it's your job to tell consenting adults what sorts of
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#200
No. But anything involving a man being sexually attracted to a woman, particularly on the basis of
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#268
I'm trying to imagine a thread where men expressing admiration for a sexy, scantily clad female
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#365
You've decided that it's your job to enter that "safe space" to helpfully tell men
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#372
what makes you so sure the men in the men's group aren't capable of opening our own
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#375
and there are plenty of *gasp* women and feminists who identify as sex positive
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#404
In fact, part of the reason for the third wave was a rejection of attitudes such as the OPs
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#408
All you seem to do, these days, is accuse people of lying about you or other people
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#217
You also thought the 'random person' was misrepresenting your objection to a thread
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#266
Slavery and labor often go hand in hand too. I guess we should arrest people for working.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#228
Um no, what you're saying is based on puritanical bullshit that seeks to control people's bodies.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#422
Countries with legalized prostitution have 257% less violence due to the sex-trade.
EOTE
Jan 2012
#207
this is no diferrent than the drug war - prohibition leads to black markets leads to
arely staircase
Jan 2012
#208
that is a good argument for better regulation, but not for going back to an
arely staircase
Jan 2012
#213
Demand also goes up in countries where they allow people to have sex at all.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#230
Germany is one of the few countries that has solid data on the subject before and after legalization
EOTE
Jan 2012
#282
it is the fact that you dared to speak out in ONE op that has some rattled. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#297
thanks for continuing the discussion in a rational manner, very helpful sources...
maggiesfarmer
Jan 2012
#272
the photo IS touching, but I can't help but wonder about her posing for a photograph
maggiesfarmer
Jan 2012
#415
Where did I say "eliminate prostitution"? The Swedish method of reducing violence against women
redqueen
Jan 2012
#300
Amazing how few can discuss this rationally without resorting to ad hominems and strawmen
PVnRT
Jan 2012
#279
So you think the idea that some men absolutely must use another person's body
redqueen
Jan 2012
#340
sweden not only arrests and fines, but puts picture of jon in paper. demand goes down. there are
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#290
"...social pressure off, demand goes up" That's The Exact Same Argument Against Allowing Gays...
Yavin4
Jan 2012
#307
yes, and you can be the first new prostitute, sucking off stangers for your lunch money, yay! n/t
Scout
Jan 2012
#316
I have lived in countries where prostitution is legal (South Korea being one of them)
Suji to Seoul
Jan 2012
#314
Do a little living in other countries as I have for the past six years, you will learn alot too
Suji to Seoul
Jan 2012
#324
lol. . .no, again. . .live in other countries and get off your high horse
Suji to Seoul
Jan 2012
#407
Prostitution is illegal about everywhere in the country, it doesn't seem to be working at all.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#325
Link battles aren't productive IYO, because no objective data illustrates your point.
EOTE
Jan 2012
#352
What people enjoy is what they enjoy and as long as it's consensual and involves adults, whatever.
arely staircase
Jan 2012
#429