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In reply to the discussion: Prostitution is Violence [View all]seabeyond
(110,159 posts)100. that is why you decriminalize being a prostitute and go after the buyer. as sweden has done and
other countries that are legalized are adopting.
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Women in all professions are assaulted and murdered, how much more often
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#335
Prostitutes have a death rate 400% higher than women in any other profession.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#337
is having a man a biological necessity for a woman? i guess the same demand is there for male
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#13
the poster state having a body was a biological necessity. i am assuming he means both genders.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#23
then again i ask, what about all those women that dont have a man? where is the necessity for the
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#69
so, it is not biological necessity for women, but is for man? it is not biological necessity for
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#109
really? and you would know this why? cause you are a man? as a woman, i say you are wrong
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#121
Anecdotally speaking? I don't see too many celibate nuns getting pregnant, or molesting kids.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#127
maybe women are raised in a manner we do not feel the same entitlement and make do with a
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#130
So the Dali Lama is a zombie? And all those nuns teaching in catholic schools?
Matariki
Jan 2012
#197
"suggesting that men seek out prostitutes in order to propagate the species."
Boojatta
Jan 2012
#184
Increasing demand for taxi drivers, overnight workers, etc. is in no way like increasing demand for
redqueen
Jan 2012
#12
Does Nevada have a higher rate of victimized trafficked people than the other 49 states?
Freddie Stubbs
Jan 2012
#103
Thankfully there are thousands of human rights workers who agree with Dr. Farley.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#364
Only one county in Nevada (which does not include Vegas) has legalized prostitution
PVnRT
Jan 2012
#275
Sex buyers who refuse to use condoms, enjoy inflicting pain, or enjoy practices legal prostitutes
redqueen
Jan 2012
#33
Do you disagree with the widely-held opinion that most sex workers come from backgrounds of abuse?
redqueen
Jan 2012
#62
what happens is the demand increases, not that many women willing to be prostitutes
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#83
I have yet to hear of a customer service worker who was beaten or killed for "poor performance".
whathehell
Jan 2012
#72
You seem to be under the impression that words can mean whatever you want them to mean.
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#7
Right. It was qualified as All Sex is Rape "under patriarchy", which, in Dworkin/Mackinnon-land,
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#264
yes warren, consistently your argument. attack a womans sexuality to shut her up. not tired of it
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#273
Oh, I see. If YOU don't understand it, don't get it, she must be mentally ill.
Remember Me
Jan 2012
#436
it would be companies, not workers and yes, that is doable to go after the companies.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#87
Where is the evidence that legalization of prostitution increases the demand for underground
EOTE
Jan 2012
#65
Widely accepted by whom? People who like to make claims with zero evidence to back them?
EOTE
Jan 2012
#92
This has been so widely accepted for so long that individual studies are not cited by the UN, the
redqueen
Jan 2012
#111
Wrong. The global warming deniers don't need any factual support of their argument, they say it's
EOTE
Jan 2012
#129
Right, the UN and US Dept of State (and many other orgs) always accept claims with no evidence.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#136
The link from Wikipedia that is used to source that assertion does not say what is claimed.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#40
So, now you are picking and choosing what parts of YOUR citation are accurate.
joeglow3
Jan 2012
#51
Oh, so when someone asked for support, your response is "go find it yourself."
joeglow3
Jan 2012
#66
The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#24
"The problem is the way men are socialized. To feel that they are entitled to sex."
Occulus
Jan 2012
#34
"women and their bodies are property, commodities to be bought, sold, and owned"
redqueen
Jan 2012
#192
While I agree with you in principle, prostitution has been around for millennia.
lapislzi
Jan 2012
#318
Ha, no, I'm just one of a small handful of anti-sex, pearl-clutching, hysterical prudes,
redqueen
Jan 2012
#289
The "anti-sex" crap is why I'm convinced that the "Sexual Revolution" was a failure.
Odin2005
Jan 2012
#298
would that include each and every rape that the increased demand would cause sex slave and child sex
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#28
So, if outlawing abortion led to a reduction in child rapes, you would support that as well?
joeglow3
Jan 2012
#55
why leave it for another thread? Same deal, you don't agree with the choices they make
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#267
i have been told that so often and so many times.... hey, just last night. that is what 2nd wave
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#97
We're also not beyond the argument that all sex workers must be psychologically damaged.....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#221
Oh, so you admit there are at least some who willingly participate of their own free will?
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#224
"And if that infringes on some people who want to sell their bodies or buy access to other people's
Occulus
Jan 2012
#240
there are whole countries with this "attitude". those draconians countries like sweden, denmark.
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#93
You are obviously unfamiliar with the Swedish method of dealing with prostitution.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#98
I really don't give a shit. You shouldn't go to jail for paying for sex either.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#135
The many victims of human trafficking thank you for your concern, I'm sure. (nt)
redqueen
Jan 2012
#140
Wow, thats a whole field of strawmen right there. Human traffickers should rot in prison.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#150
It has nothing to do with facts. Its none of your god damn business what consenting adults do.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#159
And I'd tell them, straight to their faces, they have no business arresting and locking up people...
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#167
Yea, its SO god damn progressive to arrest people for not doing anything wrong.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#177
That makes perfect sense. More focus on catching traffickers = more known traffickers.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#397
And exactly what does human trafficking, as horrible as it is, have to do with
Occulus
Jan 2012
#241
that is why you decriminalize being a prostitute and go after the buyer. as sweden has done and
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#100
so, you went from, everything is bless to there are problems". which is exactly the point
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#295
ok. you cant get past the title. fuck the rest of what was said. holland has a
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#312
but you did not say that. did you. you go after the title and misrepresented what is happening
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#345
The Netherlands is listed by the UNODC as a top destination for victims of human trafficking
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#106
I don't believe that anyone should EVER be forced to particpate in ANYTHING they don't want to
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2012
#61
Yes....Her background, starting when she was abandoned by her parents at 13 yrs old, was atrocious.
whathehell
Jan 2012
#86
For resisting Prostitution Ring: "Man kidnaps woman, forces her to watch teen's torture slay"
whathehell
Jan 2012
#82
I don't engage in discussions with anyone who compares dating with prostitution.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#117
You hold the view of people that believe its ok to tell you what you can and can't do with your body
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#181
Since you're now just outright calling me a liar and claiming I don't know what I'm talking about,
redqueen
Jan 2012
#193
Theres no study that can tell me that people deserve to be arrested solely for exchanging $$$ & sex.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#191
"ALL sex has a cost... Dinner, Movies or other date activities." ALL women prostitute
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#119
why would i call out a poster that implies all women are prostitutes one way or another? now, why
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#416
Unfortunately there has been many studies over the years and this is what we know:
Harmony Blue
Jan 2012
#102
It is my pleasure to do so. And I'm so very sorry for your neighbor's daughter...
redqueen
Jan 2012
#172
I'm at a loss as to how to make prostitution go away. I'd like to see it go away.
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#131
agreed. sweden has hit on something that is helping. it certainly is not eliminating it
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#133
well, we can put an end to "gold digging" by rich old farts hanging on to their money...
Scout
Jan 2012
#153
They can all move to the shengen special economic zone and work for Foxconn.
Warren Stupidity
Jan 2012
#257
The problem is that prohibiting or legalizing prostitution doesn't address the problem
Zalatix
Jan 2012
#419
Prostitution is a contractual relationship. Profit may be theft, but it isn't necessarily assault.
leveymg
Jan 2012
#125
There is so much data on this that it is now common knowledge for such disreputable organizations
redqueen
Jan 2012
#138
Yes, it is a metaphor. A common one used by those who are activists in this area.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#139
People are subject to danger and exploitation of violence just by walking down the street...
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#165
Prostitution involving consenting adults does not need to be illegal in order to protect children
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#421
But, you see, I'm not talking about police officers. The topic in this thread
MineralMan
Jan 2012
#249
Making up what, exactly? You've still yet to provide a single scientific study on the matter.
EOTE
Jan 2012
#168
It's pretty clear to me you have no concept of what a sex therapist....
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#223
Do you believe that sex enriches one's life and is part of a complete human experience?
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Jan 2012
#234
Of course not. It is the sale of access to the person's body that commodifies them.
redqueen
Jan 2012
#293
and the reason women are not buying men at the same rate? they are all that, too. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#149
"entitlement" is thinking that it's your job to tell consenting adults what sorts of
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#200
No. But anything involving a man being sexually attracted to a woman, particularly on the basis of
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#268
I'm trying to imagine a thread where men expressing admiration for a sexy, scantily clad female
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#365
You've decided that it's your job to enter that "safe space" to helpfully tell men
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#372
what makes you so sure the men in the men's group aren't capable of opening our own
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#375
and there are plenty of *gasp* women and feminists who identify as sex positive
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#404
In fact, part of the reason for the third wave was a rejection of attitudes such as the OPs
stevenleser
Jan 2012
#408
All you seem to do, these days, is accuse people of lying about you or other people
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#217
You also thought the 'random person' was misrepresenting your objection to a thread
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2012
#266
Slavery and labor often go hand in hand too. I guess we should arrest people for working.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#228
Um no, what you're saying is based on puritanical bullshit that seeks to control people's bodies.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#422
Countries with legalized prostitution have 257% less violence due to the sex-trade.
EOTE
Jan 2012
#207
this is no diferrent than the drug war - prohibition leads to black markets leads to
arely staircase
Jan 2012
#208
that is a good argument for better regulation, but not for going back to an
arely staircase
Jan 2012
#213
Demand also goes up in countries where they allow people to have sex at all.
phleshdef
Jan 2012
#230
Germany is one of the few countries that has solid data on the subject before and after legalization
EOTE
Jan 2012
#282
it is the fact that you dared to speak out in ONE op that has some rattled. nt
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#297
thanks for continuing the discussion in a rational manner, very helpful sources...
maggiesfarmer
Jan 2012
#272
the photo IS touching, but I can't help but wonder about her posing for a photograph
maggiesfarmer
Jan 2012
#415
Where did I say "eliminate prostitution"? The Swedish method of reducing violence against women
redqueen
Jan 2012
#300
Amazing how few can discuss this rationally without resorting to ad hominems and strawmen
PVnRT
Jan 2012
#279
So you think the idea that some men absolutely must use another person's body
redqueen
Jan 2012
#340
sweden not only arrests and fines, but puts picture of jon in paper. demand goes down. there are
seabeyond
Jan 2012
#290
"...social pressure off, demand goes up" That's The Exact Same Argument Against Allowing Gays...
Yavin4
Jan 2012
#307
yes, and you can be the first new prostitute, sucking off stangers for your lunch money, yay! n/t
Scout
Jan 2012
#316
I have lived in countries where prostitution is legal (South Korea being one of them)
Suji to Seoul
Jan 2012
#314
Do a little living in other countries as I have for the past six years, you will learn alot too
Suji to Seoul
Jan 2012
#324
lol. . .no, again. . .live in other countries and get off your high horse
Suji to Seoul
Jan 2012
#407
Prostitution is illegal about everywhere in the country, it doesn't seem to be working at all.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#325
Link battles aren't productive IYO, because no objective data illustrates your point.
EOTE
Jan 2012
#352
What people enjoy is what they enjoy and as long as it's consensual and involves adults, whatever.
arely staircase
Jan 2012
#429