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former9thward

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94. This stuff isn't rocket science.

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 09:34 PM

Sep 2012

An internet search would find him to be 52 years old and unmarried with no children. Not everyone in that category is gay but the majority are. Someone who becomes ambassador is educated and has social/political skills. A 52 year old who is educated and has social/political skills and is straight is almost always married or has been. So any reasonable person would conclude that he is most likely gay. And that is not considering anything else out there on the net from school or social sites that might add to the evidence.

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I have been doing some research into the question of whether Ambassador Stevens was gay [View all] dsc Sep 2012 OP

Most of Libya loved and respected him. The Muslim terrorists that killed him would have killed appleannie1 Sep 2012 #1

+1000 Fla Dem Sep 2012 #150

K&R patrice Sep 2012 #2

i think i read somewhere that wasn't a right wing site with mention of it JI7 Sep 2012 #3

Please don't go there. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #4

why not? dsc Sep 2012 #7

why not ? why do people act like saying he was Gay is a bad thing ? JI7 Sep 2012 #15

I think it has more to do with "it doesn't matter if he was gay nor not" octothorpe Sep 2012 #168

Would someone go into his background to see if he were straight? cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #23

I care Major Nikon Sep 2012 #39

Outstanding post. nt Zorra Sep 2012 #112

many of those things were things that he'd have to tell you himself ibegurpard Sep 2012 #127

I am so torn on this issue. I agree with you but what if Stevens had NOT CTyankee Sep 2012 #157

You can play "what if" all day Major Nikon Sep 2012 #166

It's incredible that the truth on Sally Hemmings didn't come out until when CTyankee Sep 2012 #171

+1 robinlynne Sep 2012 #41

Major fail...far too many people actually care joeybee12 Sep 2012 #44

the repugnicans would have blocked benddem Sep 2012 #176

Wow... how do you research something like that? undeterred Sep 2012 #5

google the terms dsc Sep 2012 #6

Why does it matter to you? undeterred Sep 2012 #8

for the same reason it matters to black people that Obama is black dsc Sep 2012 #11

+1000 alcibiades_mystery Sep 2012 #17

+1 n/t FreeState Sep 2012 #19

It always amazes me when minorities are told what they can think FreeState Sep 2012 #21

I believe that if he wanted his sexual orientation "shared", he would have done it himself. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #24

What he wanted to remain hidden in life is not necessarily what he might want hidden in death Major Nikon Sep 2012 #40

There's these things called "wills" Confusious Sep 2012 #118

That's about as weak as your assumption that he had that wish in the first place Major Nikon Sep 2012 #121

I guess you'd say that Confusious Sep 2012 #123

And what, pray tell, do you think my "agenda" is? Major Nikon Sep 2012 #129

Well, you had never heard of him before he died had you? Confusious Sep 2012 #136

I had Major Nikon Sep 2012 #165

Have you any idea how warped this is? cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #184

Give it a rest Major Nikon Sep 2012 #196

Wow, thinly veiled bigotry parading as "open-mindedness" joeybee12 Sep 2012 #45

No dude, Privacy in any personal matter trumps your "right" to know. Choice matters. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #55

Why does this thread upset you so much? The guy is not being joeybee12 Sep 2012 #58

Maybe there are things in our past we don't want other people to know. Confusious Sep 2012 #119

And only right-wingers jump to the conclusion about gay people having an "agenda" joeybee12 Sep 2012 #140

I never said gay people have an agenda Confusious Sep 2012 #141

It's called righteous indignation and it's extremely popular on DU Major Nikon Sep 2012 #209

i think he was already out, the way Anderson Cooper was JI7 Sep 2012 #46

Prior to a few days ago you and most of us didn't know who he was... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #51

Well you can guess all you want, but to me outing a dead guy isn't a discussion of sex. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #66

+1000 HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #82

Sexuality is different than sex... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #137

I long for the day that it does not matter whom someone loves Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #98

No kidding nt Confusious Sep 2012 #120

+1000 Canuckistanian Sep 2012 #108

Are you gay? Because I am and this doesn't matter to me one bit. Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #116

it matters. irisblue Sep 2012 #230

What you said. TalkingDog Sep 2012 #12

I ACTUALLY know a real life MAN who is not GAY who is an undercover agent onecent Sep 2012 #9

so calling him gay is disrespectul dsc Sep 2012 #10

I don't believe you know anything about how onecent thinks of gays or lesbians Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #13

I know he thinks it is disrespectful to call someone gay dsc Sep 2012 #14

I MOST DEFINITELY DO NOT disrespect gay people...I disprespect the fact onecent Sep 2012 #26

Sexual Orientation. abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #32

sexual preference gee and you are so respectul dsc Sep 2012 #43

Peace dsc onecent Sep 2012 #53

No, he doesn't but you're giving yourself away pretty easily...nt joeybee12 Sep 2012 #47

Me thinks thou doth protest too much... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #56

One must wait until after the funeral to talk about whether he's gay or not? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #57

+2,632 Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #99

I think you misunderstood onecent's post. It's disrespectful... Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #92

Thanks honeycombe8 onecent Sep 2012 #169

yes poor onccent says being gay is a choice and we big bullies that we are get mad dsc Sep 2012 #220

I cannot think of one single solitary reason LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #16

I can think of plenty of reasons why it may be important FreeState Sep 2012 #18

Good grief LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #20

I'm guessing you are not part of the gay community? n/t FreeState Sep 2012 #22

I am the B in GLBT. Any other questions? LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #25

"preferred to do with their vagina" Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #105

Hyperbole to make a point LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #111

I doubt it... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #142

Bullshit LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #193

Yes and no. I am a proud straight gay rights supporter. My nieces chose when to come out. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #27

Maybe the ambassdor was already out... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #52

A hissy fit? Red State alert. I do know about him. All he chose for me to know. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #63

Yeah, being a women is being "outed" joeybee12 Sep 2012 #143

That's right...none of our business...sexual preference should be hidden... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #49

That's right...totally our business...disclosure should be up to the mob LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #68

Is that because "teh gay" must be shameful and not talked about? MNBrewer Sep 2012 #59

No. It's because his sexuality was his business LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #69

Well, now he's dead, so it's not his business anymore. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #71

Wow. That's a disgusting thing to say LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #72

You know what they say about opinions... MNBrewer Sep 2012 #78

Yes, I'm seeing lots of those in this thread LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #81

Wow Confusious Sep 2012 #77

And I repeat. YOu know what they say about opinions. MNBrewer Sep 2012 #79

I thought democrats stood for things like the right of privacy Confusious Sep 2012 #106

Unless he was an anti-gay activist or politician or some such, kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #28

Even then. IMO. nt abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #35

Maybe. Maybe not. But it's not the issue right now. He was murdered. That's the issue. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #93

I think the extent of the homophobia depends on the country. Cleita Sep 2012 #29

Even if it wasn't OK with them gollygee Sep 2012 #31

Your right. One's sexual orientation or sex for that matter Cleita Sep 2012 #34

I was thinking of right wing sites gollygee Sep 2012 #36

I didn't mean to seem snippy either. n.t. Cleita Sep 2012 #38

How does it matter? HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #30

Boggles the mind. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #37

Yeah, in most states gay people can be fired on a whim... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #54

Then you should be active to change laws in those states. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #67

+1000 LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #70

If he even was gay. This is a pretty silly discussion. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #115

Does it matter? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2012 #33

unrec. dsc. wake up. robinlynne Sep 2012 #42

FWIW, his brother says he had many girlfriends muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #48

I, too had many boyfriends and was unmarried until I was near 40. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #133

why? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #50

I think they're looking to make him a gay hero, HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #62

no but if he is a gay hero dsc Sep 2012 #84

Even if thats not what he would have wanted? HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #95

outing him after he's dead doesn't make him a gay hero ibegurpard Sep 2012 #100

Exactly. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #161

they meant a Hero who is Gay, not a Hero for Gay Rights JI7 Sep 2012 #258

muriel_volestrangler's post has been sitting there for two hours LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #104

Why hasn't this been alerted? joeybee12 Sep 2012 #138

How is this post bigoted? Sirveri Sep 2012 #144

"Further an agenda" a typical right-wing talking point... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #145

What bullshit. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #160

The most ridiculous post of the year ruggerson Sep 2012 #175

I'm always amazed at why anyone cares about man4allcats Sep 2012 #60

Apparently, on DU, it's not cool to vilify gays directly but we must respect a religion lamzydivy Sep 2012 #61

Find me the Koran statement ibegurpard Sep 2012 #64

He wasn't hung or beheaded, HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #65

Welcome to DU! moriah Sep 2012 #103

Your second paragraph contradicts itself. former9thward Sep 2012 #73

without a time machine it would have been unlikely dsc Sep 2012 #85

This stuff isn't rocket science. former9thward Sep 2012 #94

And yet his brother said he had many girlfriends muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #146

I didn't do any internet search. former9thward Sep 2012 #170

And yet you're the only person who has said he was 52 years old in this thread muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #173

You must not listen to news programs or read newspapers. former9thward Sep 2012 #179

You appear to be doding the point about you leaping to conclusions muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #194

You challenged me on his being 52 as if an internet search was required for that. former9thward Sep 2012 #208

You also concluded he was gay muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #210

Again you have a severe reading comp problem. former9thward Sep 2012 #212

"So any reasonable person would conclude that he is most likely gay" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #218

You clearly have not read the thread. former9thward Sep 2012 #219

By that standard LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #207

I was responding to a poster who said he (the Ambassador) was gay. former9thward Sep 2012 #211

Not married =/= gay LadyHawkAZ Sep 2012 #213

When you don't have anything you throw a strawman out there. former9thward Sep 2012 #214

"A 52 year old who is educated and has social/political skills and is straight... muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #221

I am denying your phony bs former9thward Sep 2012 #222

"substantial female relationships"? Now you're adding new qualifiers muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #223

The poster I originally replied to said he had no female relationships. former9thward Sep 2012 #225

No, nothing about "no female relationships" in the OP, or in #85 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #226

In another thread by the same author former9thward Sep 2012 #233

That was posted 16 hours after your post #94 in this thread muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #238

You believe the brother. former9thward Sep 2012 #243

WTF? This is a man who never said he was gay; his brother says he had many girlfriends; muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #247

"Never said he was gay" former9thward Sep 2012 #250

How about 50 years old? Iggo Sep 2012 #228

If you are gay you must be very closeted. former9thward Sep 2012 #234

Oooh, nice cover. Iggo Sep 2012 #241

Oooh, nice lack of a response. former9thward Sep 2012 #244

Sorry. That should have been obvious. Iggo Sep 2012 #253

Nothing was obvious in your posts because until this one they didn't total 10 words. former9thward Sep 2012 #255

Wow this is just evil treestar Sep 2012 #74

Who cares? The man is dead. n/t RebelOne Sep 2012 #75

Red Herring Warning. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #76

Why would it matter? Whovian Sep 2012 #80

Shame on you. 99Forever Sep 2012 #83

No I didn't dsc Sep 2012 #89

You keep telling yourself that. 99Forever Sep 2012 #97

I spent the same time researching whether whistler162 Sep 2012 #86

Why? Puregonzo1188 Sep 2012 #87

I, too, did some research. I asked myself, "Do you care if Ambassador Stevens was gay?" Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #88

Can we, being Democrats and liberals, let this man rest in peace? Jennicut Sep 2012 #90

Thanks. Looks like the adults have shown up. :) cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #91

correction mitchtv Sep 2012 #109

I support you 100%, dsc Zorra Sep 2012 #114

I'm gay too and I think this is despicable. ibegurpard Sep 2012 #117

Can you explain to me why revealing that a person who has died was LGBT Zorra Sep 2012 #124

um because it's none of our fucking business? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #126

oooo, I hit a nerve, didn't I? Sorry ~ but there's really no need for you to be so mean and hurtful. Zorra Sep 2012 #131

this guy's not a "historical" figure ibegurpard Sep 2012 #132

Hamilton was a historical figure that died 200 years ago. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #164

Quick question ... how old are you? cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #128

let's just leave it at it's none of our business shall we? ibegurpard Sep 2012 #130

Put it this way, I protested against the War in Vietnam. Zorra Sep 2012 #134

You usually find right-wing sites comparing homosexuality to illnesses like alcoholism... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #139

You just equated the way I was born with alcoholism. Puglover Sep 2012 #148

Perhaps these aren't the most helpful comparisons. Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #149

yeah you aren't anti gay not at all dsc Sep 2012 #151

Perhaps I should have said...for whatever reason...things we choose to keep private cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #163

Would you ask about the sexual prefernces of a... 99Forever Sep 2012 #158

Being straight is not something that has been institutionally stigmatized in cultures by bigots Zorra Sep 2012 #167

What gave you any suggestion that I ... 99Forever Sep 2012 #172

+ 1 million! HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #162

Sorry mitchtv...I was busy and posted that in the wrong place. Zorra Sep 2012 #125

What a convoluted post. Kalidurga Sep 2012 #96

Please delete this OP--the right wing blogs are printing absolutely false and inflamatory msanthrope Sep 2012 #101

Why does it matter whether he was gay or not? I don't get it! DrewFlorida Sep 2012 #102

Creepy. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #107

wow, you sure opened a can of worms mitchtv Sep 2012 #110

Why? ladjf Sep 2012 #113

I won't say I don't care, JoeyT Sep 2012 #122

What is this circumstantial evidence that makes you think the RWers might be right? Incitatus Sep 2012 #135

Probably that he was single. I'm a single woman and people assume I'm lesbian all the time. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #229

If he was gay that's incidental and hardly likely to the reason he was targetted dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author TBF Sep 2012 #152

I can't believe I woke up to this. The poor man was just murdered. Walk away Sep 2012 #153

The same was said about T.E. Lawrence. leveymg Sep 2012 #154

I have a question ~ is it the custom to state in an obituary goclark Sep 2012 #155

If the obituary reads "survived by longtime partner" ruggerson Sep 2012 #181

Was he out? Iggo Sep 2012 #156

No. muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #174

I wondered about this myself. Thanks for opening it up. ( i.e. the question.) Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #159

By the looks of this thread, some folks seem to have a lot invested ruggerson Sep 2012 #177

Oh please ibegurpard Sep 2012 #180

I don't believe I mentioned the phrase "gay hero" ruggerson Sep 2012 #183

How about waiting until the poor man's body is cold. nt Walk away Sep 2012 #203

I doubt if we were inquiring if the guy had a wife that anyone would care ruggerson Sep 2012 #205

I would care if he didn't want to publicly acknowledge his marriage and then died in the public eye. Walk away Sep 2012 #242

Who cares? Who cares? I certainly don't. RebelOne Sep 2012 #178

amen cindyperry2010 Sep 2012 #185

Nice to see all this talk of the gay "agenda" on a Democratic website. Plantaganet Sep 2012 #182

our "family?" ibegurpard Sep 2012 #186

"Friends like this" Iggo Sep 2012 #187

And the thing is... renie408 Sep 2012 #189

Mending fences, indeed. n/t Plantaganet Sep 2012 #191

If he wanted to be in the "family", he would have said so. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #232

He was extremely good at his chosen field so DevonRex Sep 2012 #188

What we know is that he was "out" ... straight. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #190

Homophobia is also unbecoming. n/t Plantaganet Sep 2012 #192

? Confused here. I thought "out" means, self-identified to others as gay. What don't patrice Sep 2012 #197

Pardon!! me, but my little ir-repressible conspiracy theorist is kicking in. patrice Sep 2012 #195

Good lord no. DevonRex Sep 2012 #199

Okay, I'm not up on this. Have seen nothing more about the possible security breech. Link? patrice Sep 2012 #200

As Melissa Harris Perry would say: ruggerson Sep 2012 #198

+1. DevonRex Sep 2012 #201

Thanks DR ruggerson Sep 2012 #202

Yep. Puglover Sep 2012 #204

No way. That's normal. Not like being an alcoholic or suchlike. n/t Plantaganet Sep 2012 #206

Who the hell cares? Move on, folks, Raven Sep 2012 #215

I was saddened by the death of a former Peace Corps volunteer and from what I know MatthewStLouis Sep 2012 #216

I fail to see why anybody would become obsessed with trying avebury Sep 2012 #217

Who says he's "obsessed" and what "scandal" would he want to stir up? n/t Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #245

All of a sudden, since the Ambassadors death, disussion threads on DU and other websites, seem avebury Sep 2012 #249

This thread's getting pulled all over the place. OP did not, and would never question the following: Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #251

Ask me if I give a fuck! L0oniX Sep 2012 #224

You don't give a fuck that right wingers are trying to say that Stevens should not renie408 Sep 2012 #227

Who cares what RWers post? HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #231

+1. Most of the time we ignore those assholes. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #235

Exploitation of the dead. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #237

+1 ...repuke concern troll? L0oniX Sep 2012 #239

Don't think so. HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #240

Sorry. I am only accepting responses that ask me if I give a fuck at this time. L0oniX Sep 2012 #236

Do you give a fuck? Smarmie Doofus Sep 2012 #246

No! L0oniX Sep 2012 #257

a) it doesnt matter if he is gay and b) this thread sucks ass scheming daemons Sep 2012 #248

He is dead. Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2012 #252

Why on earth would you bother? Warpy Sep 2012 #254

Ambassador Stevens served in Jerusalem, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt and Libya. CJCRANE Sep 2012 #256

Many of the replies in this thread are fucking disgusting. Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #259

The Right Wingers are against Gays regardless of what Muslims think JI7 Sep 2012 #260

James Hormel. Luxembourg Behind the Aegis Sep 2012 #261