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MADem

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29. I don't "seem to be saying" anything of the kind.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:20 PM
Sep 2012

I get very tired of that particular exhortative hector. It's a cheap shot to distract from discussing the substance of the conversation.

I said what I said--you're lumping two VERY different nations, with very different histories and very different leadership paradigms, to fit a thesis that you have.

You keep griping about "the people." If you checked Egypt recently, you'd see that "the people" have changed the game (as "the people" did in Iran back in 1979). We'll see how they like that game in the long term.

In case you're unsure or unaware, the Government of Iran has cozied up in many ways, some benign, some nefarious, with other nations, sanctions notwithstanding (North Korea comes immediately to mind) to prosecute their particular agendas. I'm quite sure "the people" might take issue with these alliances, too, but their government won't pay them any mind so long as critical mass isn't in evidence.

This IS the way the world works, you know. No population is a borg, and for every group of cheerleaders, you're quite likely to find an opposition squad.

Or is it only when governments make alliances with America that the poutrage comes into play? If Egypt jumps into bed with China or the Russkies (again, but without the USSR flavor) and pulls the same kind of shit, it's all good?

I rather suspect the forces dispatched by the President will be working WITH the MADem Sep 2012 #1
dozens of civilians in Yemen and more in Pakistan have been killed in drone strikes cali Sep 2012 #3
And if you think those strikes were done without any coordination with governments in those MADem Sep 2012 #10
so what? Are governments more important than people? cali Sep 2012 #11
Governments have the might to prosecute military and law enforcement actions. MADem Sep 2012 #21
Of course they were. We always have our dictator allies who are more than sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #23
Comparing Mubarak to the Khalifa Royal Family is just not on. MADem Sep 2012 #25
Kings, Monarchs, Dictators. When the people are oppressed as they have sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #26
I don't "seem to be saying" anything of the kind. MADem Sep 2012 #29
This really is very simple. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #34
I remember that "no troops in Libya" was a standing dogma when we got involved. redgreenandblue Sep 2012 #4
You always send troops when you are doing a NEO, and they did one MADem Sep 2012 #9
We always had people on the ground in Libya, so did the French, the Brits sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #24
Should we withdrawl all diplomats from all countries when attacked by counter-revolutionaries? joshcryer Sep 2012 #31
I think a valid question, yet Sherman A1 Sep 2012 #2
There's more then one type of Drone Confusious Sep 2012 #5
I wouldn't object to unarmed Predators working as eyes in the sky. That's what they were made for. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #7
I realize that there are survillance drones but given our cali Sep 2012 #8
Being leery is reasonable, but maybe your OP jumped the gun a little by expressing opposition. Vattel Sep 2012 #18
justice in Libya is when all the evil doers either renounce evil-doing or they are brought to limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #6
Execution Of Those Responsible For Killing Our people, Ma'am The Magistrate Sep 2012 #12
I think that it too often means "collateral damage", sir. cali Sep 2012 #14
Probably A Good Idea To Give Those Fellows A Wide Berth, Ma'am, Certainly.... The Magistrate Sep 2012 #15
How about justice for those Dokkie Sep 2012 #16
Nice Try At Deflection, Sir, But Far Short Of the Mark The Magistrate Sep 2012 #17
Ofc they came out on top because of the Dokkie Sep 2012 #19
Where do you get that absurd figure? joshcryer Sep 2012 #27
Pretty much. Obama doesn't fuck around. joshcryer Sep 2012 #28
Give him TIME. Zax2me Sep 2012 #13
Some arrests were already made, weren't there? randome Sep 2012 #20
I heard they've got people who know who did the deed, maybe. MADem Sep 2012 #22
Unfortunately, we may never know if they have the 'right' people. randome Sep 2012 #30
el-Magariaf was on TV briefly vowing to not play around. MADem Sep 2012 #33
Here's hoping for the best, then. randome Sep 2012 #35
That's really all we can hope for--an ideal result would be the apprehension of ALL the right people MADem Sep 2012 #37
Running theory is that it's an islamist militia aligned with Yemen's Ansar al-Sharia. joshcryer Sep 2012 #32
If he has the opportunity to use drones and the intelligence is good, he'll do it. joshcryer Sep 2012 #36
Let's all go pick daisies and sing Kumbaya now. Easy to talk from your comfy chair... progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #38
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