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patrice

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305. That statement presumes an absolutely God-like knowledge & understanding of ALL of the factors.

Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:17 PM

Sep 2012

I wouldn't mind that presumption if people would admit it up front.

If whatever caused 9/11 is real, then n/n is a real probability too. Does pretending that that is not true reduce or increase drone strikes?

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1 question for those supporting the chicago teachers [View all] rdking647 Sep 2012 OP

I don't know the details of CPS, but often there are admins that could be let go. NYC_SKP Sep 2012 #1

Top heavy admin salaries could be reduced. ananda Sep 2012 #2

You want other people laid off so you can get a bigger raise? nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #228

I'd like to see someone answer this. Joe the Revelator Sep 2012 #243

That was a huge leap from 'cut some of the salaries of administrations' to 'so you want to see sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #258

DIRECTLY from post 2 Joe the Revelator Sep 2012 #266

they can. rube goldberg designs too many central offices. Check the roguevalley Sep 2012 #286

end financing schools with property taxes. Make it roguevalley Sep 2012 #287

The devil is always in the details. Tansy_Gold Sep 2012 #9

This is not about salaries... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #176

Actually, that's part of it, according to a poster teacher here on DU yesterday, and news reports. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #227

I agree there are multiple... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #239

Correct. Triloon Sep 2012 #276

Yep. n/t YvonneCa Sep 2012 #279

If you think education is expensive wait til you see how much stupid costs. JaneyVee Sep 2012 #3

the cme doesnt trade stock they trade commoditys rdking647 Sep 2012 #5

Not if NY stock transactions are taxed as well. Which should be the case. JaneyVee Sep 2012 #7

its a pretty easy assumption to make when your tax burden is maong the highest in th ecountry rdking647 Sep 2012 #18

You know what happens when you assume...? JaneyVee Sep 2012 #40

You're making assertions not in evidence. What is the effective tax rate in Chicago? leveymg Sep 2012 #204

sales tax in chicago is 9.5% rdking647 Sep 2012 #222

Surprise Me, Sir, And Tell Me How Much Of that Goes To the City.... The Magistrate Sep 2012 #223

The state rate is 6.25%. The city and county charge an additional 3.25% hack89 Sep 2012 #224

Is there a transactions tax on trades on the CBT? leveymg Sep 2012 #229

ive heard this suggested alot rdking647 Sep 2012 #256

Only "problems" if one doesn't want solutions. On-screen transactions can be taxed, and as for the leveymg Sep 2012 #289

how does chicago tax on screen transaction if the cme moves to another city? rdking647 Sep 2012 #292

SEC regulatory change: all trades have to be transacted through a specified exchange - CBT - to leveymg Sep 2012 #298

the cme is not sec regulated. its regulated thru the cftc rdking647 Sep 2012 #299

What percentage of sales tax funds education in Illinois? LiberalAndProud Sep 2012 #255

"...how much stupid costs." randome Sep 2012 #215

WRONG!!! U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #273

and what city is that? rdking647 Sep 2012 #285

Why are the teachers and kids always the ones to suffer when budgets are tight gollygee Sep 2012 #4

chicago teachers are the highest paid in the country rdking647 Sep 2012 #6

Maybe they are paid more highly but teaching in Chicago Public Schools is a tough venue. snappyturtle Sep 2012 #8

Do teachers salaries in a jurisdiction change according to the toughness of the school? Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #231

Your logic doesn't hold up. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #277

Ahhh yes, the good old "according to one study".... 99Forever Sep 2012 #12

Actually the union is quite proud of this fact. Robb Sep 2012 #17

And what? 99Forever Sep 2012 #27

actually its the teachers union itself that proclaims teacher there the 2nd highest paid in the coun rdking647 Sep 2012 #38

So fucking what? 99Forever Sep 2012 #45

when i pointed out the fact the teachers where among the highest paid in teh country you replied rdking647 Sep 2012 #49

Who do you think you are fooling? 99Forever Sep 2012 #54

"ANTI-... "maybe, maybe not... sweetapogee Sep 2012 #102

There's no fucking "maybe, maybe not" about it. 99Forever Sep 2012 #128

This sub-thread makes me sad joeglow3 Sep 2012 #134

it seems MrDiaz Sep 2012 #301

This obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #137

When NO ONE gives on any of the other substantive issues, you go for the biggest "weapon" you have. patrice Sep 2012 #152

That's a pretty poor standard since teachers in the US are very poorly paid compared to other sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #260

not true rdking647 Sep 2012 #262

Lithuania, Slovakia, (where the unemployment rate was 40%) sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #270

You were WRONG about the Chicago sales tax rate being the "highest in the nation" U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #274

I hope you're not a teacher. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #232

I hope you.. 99Forever Sep 2012 #245

Good for them. That's why we need Unions. Teachers are the lowest paid of all the professions, so sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #259

Easy cowboy, we're on the same side here. Robb Sep 2012 #41

Ssshh, we are on an anti-union binge today on this Democratic forum. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #119

Not so sure about that anymore milwaukeelib33 Sep 2012 #120

I don't consider the Third Way that has infiltrated the party and is in lock step with sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #122

Since the Repukes don't run the city of Chicago hack89 Sep 2012 #123

Lol! One word 'Rahm'! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #125

Rahm wanted to take down the teacher's union obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #139

Does he have a history of being anti-union or is this a quirk of Chicago power politics? nt hack89 Sep 2012 #163

Rahm has a history of being an asshole - TBF Sep 2012 #190

Put it this way, Paul Ryan came out in support of Rahm today! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #244

When you're losing pro-union Democrats on an issue, the PR has to be pretty bad. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #234

No one is losing pro-Union Democrats. The Third Wayers however who have infiltrated sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #249

Maybe you should read some of the posts in this thread. Everyone in DU is pro-union, as far Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #278

The only people in this thread I see opposing the strike, are not people I would call pro-union sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #282

I agree. Chan790 Sep 2012 #281

thats a good attitute rdking647 Sep 2012 #284

See... Chan790 Sep 2012 #295

The highest paid in a high stress, low pay job gollygee Sep 2012 #22

from the teachers union itself rdking647 Sep 2012 #39

So? gollygee Sep 2012 #42

like someone said -- the tallest midget leftyohiolib Sep 2012 #78

Some numbers guardian Sep 2012 #89

Compare the cost of living in Chicago proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #144

Chicago cost of living index guardian Sep 2012 #209

60%? gollygee Sep 2012 #219

two differences guardian Sep 2012 #272

The US national average can't be made up just of people with Master's Degrees gollygee Sep 2012 #291

And? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #147

My only point was in response to a poster that claimed guardian Sep 2012 #210

Teachers in big cities make more than teachers in small towns because gollygee Sep 2012 #171

+1 proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #216

chicago is an expensive city dsc Sep 2012 #246

I support teachers. My sister is one. But they are not in the low pay category. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #235

This is patently untrue. ancianita Sep 2012 #51

actually it is true rdking647 Sep 2012 #201

YOu haven't linked ONE claim you've made today. ancianita Sep 2012 #63

Maybe they're paid highly because the cost of living in Chicago is considerably higher Chorophyll Sep 2012 #99

Good, hopefully one day all teachers will be as highly paid obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #135

And hopefully those of us in the private sector will be as highly paid, too, right? Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #236

And the teachers don't have bachelors and masters degrees? neverforget Sep 2012 #247

That was already said. That's what I responded to. It's not just about YOU, is it? It's about the Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #280

Yeah it's all about me. I want the teachers to neverforget Sep 2012 #308

Public sector jobs pay less than private sector jobs obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #294

Research is your friend, red. GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #200

This is not about anyone's salaries. This is about... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #177

Are the administrators getting more than a 2% raise? nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #230

The first thing they need to do Drale Sep 2012 #10

^^THIS^^ ty, Drale. MerryBlooms Sep 2012 #19

One more thing, END Bush's NCLB program the most failed sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #199

Denver temporarily suspended COLA increases for administration. Robb Sep 2012 #11

Cut the administration. Cut the jobs in administration. Cut the pay of administrators. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #13

You're the 2nd person to suggest firing people so you can get a pay raise. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #237

I don't think you really understand what this is all about. I'm judging only by your comments sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #248

I'm not a school teacher anywhere. I did not earn my living as a teacher. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #300

Anyone with any experience from RL tama Sep 2012 #310

There's no money elsewhere in the budget at all? porphyrian Sep 2012 #14

Yes there is lots of money elsewhere in the budget.. Millions of it has been paid by Rahm to outside sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #263

I thought so. Unacceptable. n/t porphyrian Sep 2012 #290

Break the parking meter contract, tax financial transactions, etc. There's always money available.. Scuba Sep 2012 #15

breaking the parking meter contract=huge damages in a lawsuit. at least the billion they were paid rdking647 Sep 2012 #23

You've fallen for bullshit scare tactics. The parking meter contract was rigged and can be broken.. Scuba Sep 2012 #28

how do you propose they break the contract? rdking647 Sep 2012 #35

I find it interesting michreject Sep 2012 #93

The parking meter contract was (allegedly) rigged, and therefore not legal. See the dif? Scuba Sep 2012 #106

No michreject Sep 2012 #194

You break the contract if the allegations prove true. Sheeeze. Scuba Sep 2012 #203

Sheeeesh................That's a big if michreject Sep 2012 #213

Not really. Any malfeasance during the contracting and a judge will throw it out. Scuba Sep 2012 #214

Finding irreglarties witht the meter deal michreject Sep 2012 #218

Exactly, thank you! sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #126

A) That's BS there is so much tax money floating around Chicago, the machine hires temp workers Egalitarian Thug Sep 2012 #16

Beaut post. ty MerryBlooms Sep 2012 #21

but they dont rdking647 Sep 2012 #26

So your point is to screw the teachers to support the graft? Scuba Sep 2012 #29

its not screwing the teachers rdking647 Sep 2012 #36

If their pay hasn't kept up with cost of living, it's only nominally "more." Robb Sep 2012 #48

Do you work? gollygee Sep 2012 #52

I would say breaking the promise of a raise is "screwing" and "paying them less than promised".... Scuba Sep 2012 #72

Which crooks? Where you from? alcibiades_mystery Sep 2012 #60

Cut the Chicago Police Department (being used as Rahm's 'enforcers' and coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #20

with the murder rate in chicago so highthats not going to happen rdking647 Sep 2012 #24

If the Chicago PD is so great, then why is the murder rate so high????? Q.E.D. - n/t coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #30

if the teachers are so great why are test scores so bad? rdking647 Sep 2012 #31

Maybe the kids are dumb. JVS Sep 2012 #43

Welcome to my Ignore list, scab - n/t coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #47

Seriously -- wtf is wrong with DU today? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #145

Should the MIRT team be alerted? proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #149

I really think something should be done for two main reasons obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #155

Maybe he's a devotee of Michelle Rhee and her ilk. No matter, he's now coalition_unwilling Sep 2012 #275

The rhetoric is even beyond Rhee is some ways obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #293

So you don't like teachers? Maybe it's because NCLB is a failure. Bush's NCLB is one of sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #131

Read... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #179

Apparently the police have failed in their duties in Chicago then. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #261

CPD already down 2k officers AngryAmish Sep 2012 #57

Pay is Only a Minor Element, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2012 #25

lassuming they limit class sizes rdking647 Sep 2012 #33

Actually, No, sir, It Does Not Mean That The Magistrate Sep 2012 #37

i dont have a problem firing bad teachers rdking647 Sep 2012 #44

Why Is It No Surprise You Are a Charter School Groupie, Sir? The Magistrate Sep 2012 #69

if educational outcomes are the same rdking647 Sep 2012 #74

It Will Cost You The Same, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2012 #81

If it's really ONLY about money, shouldn't this question be, "Why doesn't money make a difference?" patrice Sep 2012 #161

Neither your nor Rahm's POV on this abumbyanyothername Sep 2012 #70

Please define "bad teacher". patrice Sep 2012 #90

You make it sound like there are so many 'bad teachers'... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #181

Someone just tried to hide this post ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #97

So, union busting is "common sense"? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #151

Wow. proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #146

Advocating union busting on DU obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #153

I would have allowed it to stand. ieoeja Sep 2012 #307

You are advocating 'union busting'... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #180

So it finally comes out. LAGC Sep 2012 #297

I am glad there is a real discussion about not holding teachers accountable for ineducable children AngryAmish Sep 2012 #61

Each teacher ends up with ALL of the mistakes with each student that preceded him/her. It's not patrice Sep 2012 #98

You never know who ate the lead paint, who got an STD from mommy's boyfriend AngryAmish Sep 2012 #105

Parents aren't helping much either. The most common sense of what good curriculum is patrice Sep 2012 #114

There are SEVERAL other issues. Do we know that pay is exclusively the highest patrice Sep 2012 #32

EXACTLY. This is being spun as... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #183

The machine pays NO attention to anything but money, so that's the TOOL that teachers use for more patrice Sep 2012 #193

Use the exhorbitant cigarette tax that your city already charges. JVS Sep 2012 #34

your question misdirects the real responsibility.... mike_c Sep 2012 #46

they can resolve it easily rdking647 Sep 2012 #50

I suspect this is your answer to most labor issues. "fire that teachers." You are supporting Vincardog Sep 2012 #91

And that's what may happen. It comes with a cost... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #185

take a look at their corporate welfare leftyohiolib Sep 2012 #53

lol - there is plenty of money in this country TBF Sep 2012 #55

First of all, you don't know for a fact that Chicago's tax rate is astronomical. ancianita Sep 2012 #56

I lived most of my life in chicago rdking647 Sep 2012 #65

You obviously don't own property there. I have for over 25 years. ancianita Sep 2012 #75

What is "not high". Who are you comparing to? dkf Sep 2012 #124

Your base assumptions are wrong. DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2012 #58

raise taxes??? rdking647 Sep 2012 #71

Ahh so that is where you are coming from Marrah_G Sep 2012 #116

Do you have some numbers on that Charter School claim? You do realize that while sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #130

Figured you were a charter school advocate obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #159

How about this. How about taking all those millions of dollars Rahm is pouring into Private sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #265

Here we go again. Welcome to the new DU. woo me with science Sep 2012 #59

Sometimes individuals do have questions. It's not all about political ideologies. People can just be patrice Sep 2012 #62

Sometimes I wonder treestar Sep 2012 #303

I too wonder about that, because there's no greater threat than validly informed understanding. patrice Sep 2012 #304

some people dont automatically bow down to unions all the time rdking647 Sep 2012 #66

If you want us to regard that as anything more than just your opinion, you should support it with patrice Sep 2012 #73

Oh, please, labor expert, 'splain to us how that has happened? ancianita Sep 2012 #77

Explanations are useful. patrice Sep 2012 #79

We get it. geardaddy Sep 2012 #132

Up thread they advocate busting unions obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #160

Yep, I saw the "Just fire the teachers" comment. geardaddy Sep 2012 #166

I thought I saw the ghost of St.Ronnie in this thread. Autumn Sep 2012 #212

Yup -- it's the 80's again obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #220

Co-relation is not necessarily cause and effect. It can just be chance. patrice Sep 2012 #68

Seems to me anti union has frequently been an undercurrent here. davsand Sep 2012 #94

If you're against defending drone strikes, be prepared for an awkward moment at the ballot box. alp227 Sep 2012 #283

That statement presumes an absolutely God-like knowledge & understanding of ALL of the factors. patrice Sep 2012 #305

Some people are so obsessed with authority that everything is explained in terms of that, rather patrice Sep 2012 #306

And the alternative is...acceptable? KansDem Sep 2012 #64

hi Rahm Enrique Sep 2012 #67

+1 I'm heading over to kick xchrom's post. woo me with science Sep 2012 #80

Tell us "what they are demanding". Do you know? HiPointDem Sep 2012 #76

Yes! Kids are about a whole lot more stuff than just $$$!! So what is this about? patrice Sep 2012 #84

There is PLENTY of money. Zoeisright Sep 2012 #82

Are there union busters on this message board? The Link Sep 2012 #83

Some people really are just, uh . . . un-informed. I know I am. patrice Sep 2012 #87

The astroturfers do come out on specific issues. It's uncanny. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #143

Yes, literally so obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #162

Bad timing ~ goclark Sep 2012 #85

Unfortunately, the school year is not actually based on the election cycle. nt Chorophyll Sep 2012 #100

Solidarity and people's rights have no condition, no waiting period obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #165

Wrong, this is exactly the right time for them to speak out. Where did this idea that the people sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #267

83 replies and NOT ONE REC should tell you something. ancianita Sep 2012 #86

it tells me that my opinion is unpopular here rdking647 Sep 2012 #88

Facts aboutcity taxes and school budgets don't matter to you, either. ancianita Sep 2012 #92

I don't know enough about Chicago to make a claim jpbollma Sep 2012 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #197

Correction, anti-Union sentiment is unpopular with Democrats everywhere, not necessarily sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #198

Shocking discovery - take it back to Mayor Rahmney. He's not too popular here, either. leveymg Sep 2012 #207

All that matters to you is busting the union. neverforget Sep 2012 #250

I fully support unions. Alduin Sep 2012 #96

Why is it crap? jpbollma Sep 2012 #101

Also jpbollma Sep 2012 #103

One reason it could be "crap" is that people do not understand that teachers have very little power patrice Sep 2012 #108

Thank you. Alduin Sep 2012 #127

I taught high school for 8 years, mostly middle-&-upper-middle. I also still personally know patrice Sep 2012 #142

Thank you! And uninformed... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #175

Most of our culture has a bad habit of, "It's the other guy/gal!" Teachers don't have that luxury. patrice Sep 2012 #182

The OP has stated he is a union buster obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #167

Rahm has poured millions of funds into Private Corporations, some of them from outside sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #268

Educate yourself on why the teachers are striking lunatica Sep 2012 #104

Lunatica jpbollma Sep 2012 #107

Have you searched DU? A couple of pretty good articles were posted lastnight. patrice Sep 2012 #112

Here's a link to an overview: patrice Sep 2012 #118

Let's talk about that "no more money" HiPointDem Sep 2012 #109

Cut administrator positions and salaries nt abelenkpe Sep 2012 #110

The Illinois income tax rate is a flat 5%. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #111

and chicagos sales tax is 9.5% rdking647 Sep 2012 #113

I did find some info on the test based jpbollma Sep 2012 #117

Why not bring it to a vote? former-republican Sep 2012 #148

They can make cuts elsewhere Marrah_G Sep 2012 #115

The points you make suggest that this might actually be an opportunity for authentic change.nt patrice Sep 2012 #121

Half what they spend on charters will reduce class sizes proud2BlibKansan Sep 2012 #129

SOLIDARITY WITH THE CHICAGO TEACHERS! obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #133

How much do the administrators make? obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #136

What the hell is this RW anti-union shit doing on DU??? Odin2005 Sep 2012 #138

I'm wondering the same thing. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #141

At least two big threads like this today obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #150

no one has objected... madrchsod Sep 2012 #158

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #140

Ever notice that RW propagandists NEVER ask this question... 99Forever Sep 2012 #154

i take it you live in chicago,cook county ,or illinois. madrchsod Sep 2012 #156

Oh, I'm naive, but I think teachers could be as well paid as defense contractors' executives and... CreekDog Sep 2012 #157

+1000000000 IMO, this is because "Pro-Life", as we know it, is a lie. nt patrice Sep 2012 #168

THEY HAVE MONEY IN RESERVE!!!! special snowflake Sep 2012 #164

Teachers know that this is about more than money; money is the last means available to them to patrice Sep 2012 #173

Money is the spin. Make the teachers look greedy... YvonneCa Sep 2012 #187

Clearly we shoud return to a feudal system of government. hunter Sep 2012 #169

Straight out, are you a union buster? nt patrice Sep 2012 #170

I wonder how much this scab gets paid. n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #172

I wish to goodness that this board would at least have them register, even if they don't tell us. patrice Sep 2012 #174

Seems to me, he asked a fair question badtoworse Sep 2012 #184

Karen Lewis said straight out last night that the compensation dispute is pretty small riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #178

Emmanuel said it was about the increased hours required for the 2% raise. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #238

Municipal bonds for my first guess. LanternWaste Sep 2012 #186

Bonds generally finance capital expense, not operating expense. badtoworse Sep 2012 #188

I believe it depends on whether the bond initiative is for a capital fund or a general fund. LanternWaste Sep 2012 #192

Chicago has more than enough money thelordofhell Sep 2012 #189

LOL, union bashing is alive and well today NiteOwll Sep 2012 #191

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Sep 2012 #195

I would suggest looking at the tax structure for Chicago, MadHound Sep 2012 #196

right now the chicago schools face a 665m deficit this year rdking647 Sep 2012 #202

There are other options. My favorite: surcharge tax on hot air and RW talking points. leveymg Sep 2012 #205

did you miss this little nugget from that report rdking647 Sep 2012 #208

I don't recommend the entire package, just that there are parts of a solution suggested within. leveymg Sep 2012 #225

I think you have me confused with somebody else, MadHound Sep 2012 #211

How about the millions that Rahm has redirected to the Private Corporations sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #269

"parents of Chicago schoolchildren were almost three times more likely to back the unions Zorra Sep 2012 #206

man i dig coming to DU to read anti-union threads KG Sep 2012 #217

Yep, they're coming out of the woodwork now. valerief Sep 2012 #254

Tweet from Tea Party Cat gollygee Sep 2012 #221

you can bet that if they needed a new football stadium, they would easily find the money spanone Sep 2012 #226

I think every worker in America needs to stop. Maybe B Calm Sep 2012 #233

*sigh* Lifelong Protester Sep 2012 #240

Best response in this silly thread. LAGC Sep 2012 #296

Thank YOU! Lifelong Protester Sep 2012 #312

"there is simply no more money " the CBOE has plenty of money Agony Sep 2012 #241

exactly how. rdking647 Sep 2012 #242

chicago isn't alone, public education could use some help in phiily or new york or even london Agony Sep 2012 #251

The problem isn't salary. It's healthcare. nt valerief Sep 2012 #252

Taxes. Property taxes. State & city taxes. geckosfeet Sep 2012 #253

raise taxes on rich fuckers like Rahm. rateyes Sep 2012 #257

Maybe they shouldn't have privatized the parking meters for 75 years? Pholus Sep 2012 #264

How do you propose teachers deal with situations like this? izzybeans Sep 2012 #271

This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #288

The DU answer will be to raise taxes on the other guy to pay for it taught_me_patience Sep 2012 #302

As opposed to who perchance? nt Pholus Sep 2012 #309

How about we all chip in and pay more? taught_me_patience Sep 2012 #311

I've never had a problem with my tax rate, so why not? Pholus Sep 2012 #313