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In reply to the discussion: Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law? [View all]lamp_shade
(14,834 posts)175. Come on folks. 12 more recs needed. There's money in it for me.
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Why should I endorse, or vote for, a President who signs this into law? [View all]
MadHound
Jan 2012
OP
Why sign a bill that is "positioned for a court review"? Besides the courts have done terrible
rhett o rick
Jan 2012
#21
He didnt need to sign the bill to tell everyone that he wasnt going to enforce it. If his veto was
rhett o rick
Jan 2012
#63
Good grief. You are desparately trying to rationalize why he should have signed that horrible bill.
rhett o rick
Jan 2012
#115
Because the clause putting Sec Def in charge of detentions was replaced with an elective position
patrice
Jan 2012
#47
Ooo, replaced the Secretary of Defense with the President, now that just inpires confidence,
MadHound
Jan 2012
#82
The court issues outlined in the signing statement were too arcane for me, but if
patrice
Jan 2012
#93
You display your prejudice that it is party interests and not considering that someone CAN
patrice
Jan 2012
#98
That's pretty funny given OP. So . . . if not display, what IS your purpose? nt
patrice
Jan 2012
#108
Is there some reason I should not "display"? Pray, tell!! I missed it. Am I not qualified
patrice
Jan 2012
#110
So anyone who disagrees with you is anti-Constitution? There are major social justice sources like
patrice
Jan 2012
#107
I don't dispute the criticisms. I dispute what to do about them, as though the whole path initiated
patrice
Jan 2012
#123
A peace symbol does not mean that you forsake the struggle for truth. It does mean that you engage
patrice
Jan 2012
#149
Do you think most people, even those that vote, know or care what the NDAA is?
CrispyQ
Jan 2012
#136
Because more people will know more about the WHOLE thing because of court review. nt
patrice
Jan 2012
#50
I am sorry but no. How many people know where the courts stand on Hamdi and Padilla?
rhett o rick
Jan 2012
#65
You're making perfect the enemy of better. Increasing awareness is a good thing, especially
patrice
Jan 2012
#76
Ilove the way you say you want a civil discussion and you lead your response with ridicule
bigtree
Jan 2012
#96
I love the way you try to slip out of questions and criticism by creating strawmen
MadHound
Jan 2012
#100
Are you really looking for a response with a reason you might consider? Or just trying to win
gateley
Jan 2012
#13
why should we care about the particular unfactual hyperbole of a particular anonymous poster?
grantcart
Jan 2012
#14
It appears that no one can give you a good answer. Criticism, yes. A good answer, no.
AnotherMcIntosh
Jan 2012
#15
The signing statement makes it impossible for American citizens to be held indefinitely
WonderGrunion
Jan 2012
#16
It does no such thing. Obama himself is under no obligation to hold to it.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#73
Insofar as you seem to be complaining of a bill that contained waffle-language, to the effect
struggle4progress
Jan 2012
#17
As passed, HR 1540 (the "National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012," signed
struggle4progress
Jan 2012
#168
I think there's still a functional difference between parties, but that doesn't merit...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#31
Because with a Republican, you get the same decision plus a lot of crap that is far worse
eridani
Jan 2012
#30
Please note: no one is seriously arguing with you. They're going limp.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jan 2012
#34
The question did not ask for argument. If asked "what convincing reasons might I have to vote?"...
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#35
It is a shitty position to be in as a voter who cares about the Constitution, but...
Poll_Blind
Jan 2012
#48
Because LIFE is about degrees of "the lesser of two evils", that is, unless you support genocide
patrice
Jan 2012
#56
Exactly. Which is why the President should have chosen the lesser of two evils and VETOED it. nt
Poll_Blind
Jan 2012
#58
That is an absolutist and, hence, oppressive position.Whose evils? How much greater or lesser? When?
patrice
Jan 2012
#67
Deflection- such as turning my distaste for an unconstituional law into an issue about veterans...
Poll_Blind
Jan 2012
#75
Not nearly the deflection of trying to turn it to Recess Appointment. BTW, NDAA = FUNDING, so
patrice
Jan 2012
#78
The answers to your questions is absolutely. Would I rather there be a delay in military spending
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#81
That's your right, but it's not your right to REQUIRE that of others. If you have a right to
patrice
Jan 2012
#88
Without the rule of law, there is no framework available for deciding for ourselves save strength of
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#187
But then perhaps I'm making a mistake in thinking your concern is freedom and not a
patrice
Jan 2012
#97
There is no freedom in being permently detained without charge, much less trial.
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#188
Everyone repeats that "lesser of two evils" line like there is great unquestionable wisdom in it.
patrice
Jan 2012
#70
I don't believe any court will hear the case until someone is victimized by it.
Poll_Blind
Jan 2012
#60
Because reducing voter turnout can be harmful to other voters' personal issues & to America.
patrice
Jan 2012
#62
Again, agreed! Which is why I was surprised to see so many telling the OP NOT to vote for Obama!
Poll_Blind
Jan 2012
#66
"...why should I support or vote for somebody, anybody, who signs this kind of legislation?"
unkachuck
Jan 2012
#68
I suppose either "You're pleased with Obama's performance" or "You're a Republican dupe."
Poll_Blind
Jan 2012
#113
You understand this has been in play since the AUMF was passed, right? n/t
Bolo Boffin
Jan 2012
#117
He would love to, but all he has is Harper, being a Conservative neo-liberal in Canada and all.
Dragonfli
Jan 2012
#173
Well, looks like your options are vote for someone who has no chance of winning, or...
MilesColtrane
Jan 2012
#124
Some of those recs are people who disagree but appear to rec for other reasons.
joshcryer
Jan 2012
#130
You ask a good question, at the heart of what's wrong with the Democratic Party.
Octafish
Jan 2012
#137
don't--vote for Romney or vote for someone on the left who has no chance of winning
WI_DEM
Jan 2012
#141
Mischaracterizations such as "fine with this bill" do nothing for any case. In fact, it is possible
patrice
Jan 2012
#177
Whatever you decide please let us know in the same dramatic fashion.
great white snark
Jan 2012
#183
Let's see how mighty thin the lesser of two evils argument is under President Santorum.
ClassWarrior
Jan 2012
#184