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a geek named Bob

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30. One of the requirements to take over

Sun Aug 26, 2012, 05:51 PM

Aug 2012

is total (or damn near) control of the information sources.

With the advent of internet, that's harder to do.

The MIC and the rest of the PTB are slowly fading away (too slowly, in my opinion... but I'm something of a radical.)

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"The Falcon and the Snowman" and the Bradley Manning/Julian Assange affair. [View all] Cleita Aug 2012 OP

Amen, sister a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #1

Where are all the Assange haters? Cleita Aug 2012 #2

ummm... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #3

Waiting to get the talking points from Frank Luntz? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #63

You mean the people who actually use whistler162 Aug 2012 #58

Go by their actual deeds, not the film's. sofa king Aug 2012 #4

Oh I don't think the film passed them off that sympathetically. Cleita Aug 2012 #8

I want to see that dirty laundry. sofa king Aug 2012 #23

That is a chance we will have to take to rip away the curtain. Cleita Aug 2012 #39

You are so right. Kath1 Aug 2012 #64

You are so right KT2000 Aug 2012 #5

Mr. Manning has not been beaten and tortured. I would think msanthrope Aug 2012 #6

Really? You believe that. Cleita Aug 2012 #9

Kindly cite where, in the defense filings, his attorney claims he was 'beaten and msanthrope Aug 2012 #17

I don't know. Could it be his attorney has a strategy that precludes Cleita Aug 2012 #26

What? You claim he was 'beaten and tortured'---can't cite it at all, and then claim his msanthrope Aug 2012 #32

willful ignorance is the worst kind.... mike_c Aug 2012 #11

Every defense team probably since the dawn of time insists their client is treated poorly. randome Aug 2012 #13

You guys get more transparent by the minute. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #15

Transparency is a good thing. randome Aug 2012 #21

The claim was 'beaten and tortured' show me where his attorney claims a msanthrope Aug 2012 #22

See my post #26. Cleita Aug 2012 #28

Cite that!!! Where in the defense attorney's court filings..which detail the incident msanthrope Aug 2012 #35

Yes, and since the court filings don't show that, we must ignore the evidence that says Cleita Aug 2012 #37

What? He gets 'beaten' by guards and his attorney, in describing the incident msanthrope Aug 2012 #41

Believe what you like. Cleita Aug 2012 #43

Right. 'Cause you have info his attorney doesn't. You have info about torture msanthrope Aug 2012 #53

His attorneys actually protested his treatment. Cleita Aug 2012 #55

They did more than 'protest.' They wrote a 110 page motion detailing msanthrope Aug 2012 #61

just a somewhat tangential aside... mike_c Aug 2012 #7

I don't believe it's changed for the better, only the worst, but at least we Cleita Aug 2012 #10

Also... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #12

I do believe we had a coup completed during the Bush administration. Cleita Aug 2012 #20

One of the requirements to take over a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #30

This is why the issue of Assange cannot be debated clearly. randome Aug 2012 #14

oh? Really? a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #16

Nothing but the facts as I see them. randome Aug 2012 #19

No disrespect... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #27

Fair enough. randome Aug 2012 #31

On the other hand... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #33

FYI. This is based in fact. Those were real people and a real Cleita Aug 2012 #18

They sold info on spy satellites. Regarding US interventions in the Nixon era, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #50

I'm way ahead of you. I know what they did and the price they paid for it. Cleita Aug 2012 #51

Statist supporters will pick on any perceived flaw xchrom Aug 2012 #24

IIRC that was a two-man job selling drugs and CIA secrets in Soviet Russia struggle4progress Aug 2012 #25

hey struggles! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #29

... Nearly three decades ago, his father had helped him land a job at TRW Inc. in Redondo Beach. struggle4progress Aug 2012 #45

sounds like an interesting story! a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #46

also... a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #47

Adjusted for inflation, their 1976 take of $77K would have been worth about $300K today struggle4progress Aug 2012 #48

secret selling's a dirty game a geek named Bob Aug 2012 #49

You must be very young or very old, because that type of idealism and disdain for Cleita Aug 2012 #52

I remember the 60s. Nixon won in 68 and won re-election in 72, despite Watergate struggle4progress Aug 2012 #57

So I guess it's our fault we couldn't make the change. Cleita Aug 2012 #59

It's our fault as long as we don't learn from our mistakes struggle4progress Aug 2012 #60

This is just silly Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #34

Yes, he wasn't a good German was he? Cleita Aug 2012 #36

Sorry, but I think Bradley Manning should spend 25 years in Leavenworth, at minimum. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #38

He is a scapegoat and he probably will spend a lot of time in Leavenworth no Cleita Aug 2012 #40

David Coombs isn't JAG. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #42

No he isn't but there are JAG attorneys assigned to the case according to this: Cleita Aug 2012 #44

Right...and they are all so incompetent they forgot to mention the msanthrope Aug 2012 #54

Really, I can't believe you are in such denial. Cleita Aug 2012 #56

Okay..let me see if I have this straight....Manning's attorneys file an Article 13 msanthrope Aug 2012 #62

This deserves a timely kick Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #65