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zipplewrath

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59. Loss of a Liberal Arts education

Tue Sep 25, 2018, 11:32 AM

Sep 2018

It's changed. It isn't changing, it's changed. (Am I supposed to use contractions in this forum?)

There are tons of expressions that have either morphed, or completely flipped. In some cases the original meanings have been lost. In this particular case, the vast majority of people barely study logic at all so the various logical fallacies are meaningless to them.

Quite honestly, the one that bothers me more, is professional "speakers" like anchors and columnists that use phrases like "put up with" or "where are they at" that bug me more. Sure, from a casual speaker I don't mind. But from a professional it is "off putting".

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I Beg You: Never, ever use "Begs the Question" [View all] ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 OP

I gave up on this one but it still annoys me. Croney Sep 2018 #1

lol ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #5

Mea culpa MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #152

First recorded use of 'invite' as a noun: 1659 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2018 #167

bleh ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #169

Yeah, I hate that one, too PJMcK Sep 2018 #2

that's what I'm begging for ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #4

Please don't murder grammar when you lecture about phraseology. FreepFryer Sep 2018 #3

but that begs the question Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #6

You, sir or madam, are an evil genius. (Nt) FreepFryer Sep 2018 #12

as long as it made you smile :) nt Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #18

I see what you did here malaise Sep 2018 #36

... JHan Sep 2018 #138

Dont hit me..... Separation Sep 2018 #158

Ridden with broken grammar? Croney Sep 2018 #7

Relevant supporting dictionary definitions for 'ridden' FreepFryer Sep 2018 #9

Why not just say riddled with? Croney Sep 2018 #13

I am but a vessel, a mere implement of greater forces than ourselves... I wield a red grading pencil FreepFryer Sep 2018 #16

Lol! nt ecstatic Sep 2018 #21

Bravo! Cha Sep 2018 #144

That is deep. And funny. And deeply funny MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #153

I love it! ecstatic Sep 2018 #166

Do you really need the ellipsis? (n/t) PJMcK Sep 2018 #8

It's an elitist dog whistle so I can get support from other bad humanists (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2018 #10

Needed semicolons; n/t. Denzil_DC Sep 2018 #145

There's a third option: simply accept that the meaning has changed. enough Sep 2018 #11

too easy ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #14

4th option Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #17

So true. Look at the word "suck." Croney Sep 2018 #23

language ripens ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #134

Thank you. Croney Sep 2018 #135

In the words of S. Palin defacto7 Sep 2018 #52

Which begs the question, why are you so accepting of this change? Renew Deal Sep 2018 #105

I have an article on one of my websites about begging the question: tblue37 Sep 2018 #15

Thanks for pointing out your website. I enjoyed the 'listening as hard as I can' item... SWBTATTReg Sep 2018 #48

The article about begging the question is on my grammar and usage site, where I have tblue37 Sep 2018 #149

Another of my pet peeves: the misuse of "penultimate." tblue37 Sep 2018 #19

The worst, imho, is the abuse of "comprises" with a misapplication, or the horrors of "comprised of" FreepFryer Sep 2018 #25

I would argue that the current use of "literally" is the worst Docreed2003 Sep 2018 #41

Agreed. 'Comprises' is, at worst, penultimate on the countdown (see what i did there?) :) (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2018 #42

penultimate is such a great word ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #30

MSNBCisms: violetpastille Sep 2018 #67

Anybody who misuses penultimate should be sentenced to 6 months of latin grantcart Sep 2018 #140

Good lesson. Thank you MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #156

This certainly does beg a question: what is really going on with your out of ... marble falls Sep 2018 #20

I'm just really flustrated by the way some people think it is funner to be mischievious ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #28

LOL, are you really this uptight? Nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #38

I could care less whether I got my point acrossed to you ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #46

I like your playfulness with language. violetpastille Sep 2018 #68

Thank you! Spot all of the errors ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #70

and thank you. violetpastille Sep 2018 #77

Also, too: you are different than my other grammar teachers MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #159

I think its just one of the quirks that make you the fun and good DUer you are. marble falls Sep 2018 #175

Thank you. I see it misused all the time here. cwydro Sep 2018 #22

I'm getting tired of "categorically deny" from a ruthless liar. Hortensis Sep 2018 #24

And what happened to the word "crisp?" cyclonefence Sep 2018 #26

Or "method"? Now it's always "methodology" ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #34

Or Resiliency. ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #54

and scientists always have a mouth full of marble-y words to start with ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #61

As A Fellow Scientist. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #66

that is a mouthful ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #71

Sounds Like Something I Would Do ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #73

lol, I'll forgive you. This time. ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #74

It literally makes my head explode n/t Shrek Sep 2018 #27

lol. nice ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #29

Snort grantcart Sep 2018 #139

Thanks! But I do agree with reply #3 that one of your sentences is impossible. nt LAS14 Sep 2018 #31

I must have that person on block ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #35

Seems fair, as we demonstrably lack any benefit of yours in this whopper of an OP :) FreepFryer Sep 2018 #39

It's unfortunate since you both are so much alike, defacto7 Sep 2018 #56

"Where there is light, there must be shadow - where there is shadow there must be light." FreepFryer Sep 2018 #87

My god, you're so profound it sends chill down my spine. defacto7 Sep 2018 #150

If you can't tell, you don't have one. (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2018 #151

Ah, so that explains this wheel chair. Thanks. defacto7 Sep 2018 #161

Being spineless doesn't necessitate a wheelchair. As you know, one can just truck in empty insults. FreepFryer Sep 2018 #168

Insults? defacto7 Sep 2018 #171

U too - I'm not 'from the dark side,' bc another user blocked me. That's what I took as an insult. FreepFryer Sep 2018 #172

My apologies for the misunderstanding. defacto7 Sep 2018 #173

Awesome, likewise and looking forward to our next encounter :D FreepFryer Sep 2018 #174

Really??? Lighten the hell up! Nt USALiberal Sep 2018 #32

one might say the same to you ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #33

Yes. Let's blow it up with the wheelhouse. tavernier Sep 2018 #37

While we're at it, I also grind my teeth when I see "from whence," which I just ran into on tblue37 Sep 2018 #40

its meaning has changed, we probably just need to accept and move on 0rganism Sep 2018 #43

sadly, I agree ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #45

And with that Sarah Palin wins the battle. defacto7 Sep 2018 #57

"begging the question" is derived from an antiquated usage of "beg" meaning "to take for granted." Donkees Sep 2018 #44

hmm, must give us pause. defacto7 Sep 2018 #58

My small pet peeve woundedkarma Sep 2018 #47

but then, we have to give in to "butt naked", "duck tape" ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #64

Thank you. Polly Hennessey Sep 2018 #49

Yes. ck4829 Sep 2018 #50

Thank you, Professor Plum. luvtheGWN Sep 2018 #51

lol, that's great advice ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #62

Which begs the question, ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #53

What's Your Take On "Apropos"? ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #55

what is the original usage? ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #63

That's What I Was Taught ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #65

Loss of a Liberal Arts education zipplewrath Sep 2018 #59

You really expect a populace that doesn't know the difference marybourg Sep 2018 #60

TRUTH Blue_Tires Sep 2018 #69

Hate to be the lone voice of dissent, but I think you're wrong. Goodheart Sep 2018 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Goodheart Sep 2018 #75

that's certainly the way it is used now ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #76

Sorry, but I'll repeat... it's not used incorrectly in my example. Goodheart Sep 2018 #79

sorry, but your example uses a popular, but incorrect, use of "begs the question" ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #90

A mere assertion. You haven't demonstrated that it's incorrect, sorry. Goodheart Sep 2018 #95

there is a thing called google ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #97

You fail, sorry. Goodheart Sep 2018 #98

I'll try to get over my epic fail ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #100

I see your problem, though. Goodheart Sep 2018 #102

thanks for the advice! ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #107

Also, I'm not trying to be a butthole, but the grammar in your lead post is rather spotty Goodheart Sep 2018 #83

that's not really grammar ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #88

Give me an example, please. Goodheart Sep 2018 #94

Here's what I consider a correct example. Jim Lane Sep 2018 #157

you don't know what you're talking about. kennetha Sep 2018 #163

I beg you to not beg people to stop begging the question tymorial Sep 2018 #78

! :) ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #91

Thank you for this. 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #80

It strikes me that the correct usage of the term was written for Trump HopeAgain Sep 2018 #81

perfect example ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #92

For reasons I don't understand... journalists seem to have started and perpetuated this misuse. kennetha Sep 2018 #82

Please give us an example of the misuse. Goodheart Sep 2018 #84

"Begs the question" is not a phrase I tend to use. TDale313 Sep 2018 #85

lol. I urge, no I insist, that you do so ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #93

... TDale313 Sep 2018 #99

But doesn't the exception prove the rule? AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #86

a great example of incorrect usage crushing the correct one ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #96

I have noticed frequent use of "unctuous" on various of the food... 3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #89

One might say a snake oil salesman is unctious. AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #116

the root of the word means "oily" ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #120

Right, oily, like snake oil. AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #122

Eeeeew. Unctuous is Ted Cruz. I could never eat any food that came near "unctuous" MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #154

Language is a living thing that evolves Beearewhyain Sep 2018 #101

Professor Plum errs in his insistence that there is only one meaning to the phrase. Goodheart Sep 2018 #104

sez you! lol ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #109

Here's the proof Goodheart Sep 2018 #113

the humpty dumpty theory of word meaning ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #106

I'll guess you disagree Beearewhyain Sep 2018 #108

I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #110

I don't like exercise Beearewhyain Sep 2018 #112

I gave this example earlier. Goodheart Sep 2018 #111

. ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #115

Elitist nonsense. Goodheart Sep 2018 #119

I'm worried about "infer" and "imply" becoming synonymous AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #103

I have a problem with people using "thru" instead of "through". llmart Sep 2018 #114

Actually, I like that one. Goodheart Sep 2018 #117

Those "gh" endings are left over from the Germanic Anglo-Saxon defacto7 Sep 2018 #160

also: get off my lawn! :) ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #118

LOL llmart Sep 2018 #124

I hope I didn't offend ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #130

No, I wasn't offended by you saying it. llmart Sep 2018 #132

Typing on small difficult keyboards, and/or character limits AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #121

It's one thing to do it in a text... llmart Sep 2018 #126

Quite right! n/t AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #127

i LOVE DU language threats! A-Schwarzenegger Sep 2018 #123

We need a grammar thread MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #155

I may have used this expression once Mme. Defarge Sep 2018 #125

I tried to post a reply but it "went missing." dameatball Sep 2018 #128

Blame British mysteries on that one MaryMagdaline Sep 2018 #162

Professor Plum, are you in the library? rusty fender Sep 2018 #129

I generally prefer to hang out in the conservatory ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #131

I believe you rusty fender Sep 2018 #133

I would never use that phrase, but it doesn't bother japple Sep 2018 #136

or "in the fullness of time" ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #137

Oh, now there's a blown up phrase. I think that some people must think that it adds a certain japple Sep 2018 #146

That sounds like a good party trick nt ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #148

I'm reminded of Carson's Floyd R. Turbo FiveGoodMen Sep 2018 #141

Is "panhandle the question OK?" grantcart Sep 2018 #142

I Lol'd ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #143

No, it isn't okay. You made me spew on my screen! japple Sep 2018 #147

Pretty pedantic? But what about really evil stuff like turning verbs into nouns? icaria Sep 2018 #164

that is repulsive ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #170

The Fact of the matter is .......... dem in texas Sep 2018 #165