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The Presidency should be decided by popular vote (or not?) [View all] CreekDog Aug 2012 OP
The Electoral College customerserviceguy Aug 2012 #1
don't tell us what we can't accomplish. CreekDog Aug 2012 #3
Don't tell me what I can't do! RZM Aug 2012 #7
What will happen is a transition period Warpy Aug 2012 #30
All that's going to do customerserviceguy Aug 2012 #32
"Give red parts of blue states to Republicans" (FTFY) Warpy Aug 2012 #57
Should be selected by the Senate Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #2
By DU. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #4
Popular Vote, Sir, Should Determine The Election Of the President The Magistrate Aug 2012 #5
I'm surprised that there are so many votes against the idea CreekDog Aug 2012 #9
depends on how you view your vote Johonny Aug 2012 #10
This I agree with. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #6
The question of fairness needs a judging criteria to be defined. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #8
There should not be a president. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #11
Well said! We have a very tribal hierarchal system prone to corruption and RKP5637 Aug 2012 #20
This post deserves to be an OP. n/t white_wolf Aug 2012 #23
+1,000,000 Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #68
Ideally, yes. But it would put several reliable Red States up for sale... VOX Aug 2012 #12
What you're really saying is that the Electoral College is not the worst problem. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #26
Fairer? FBaggins Aug 2012 #13
I've seen that argument more than most of the others RZM Aug 2012 #15
people vote, not dirt CreekDog Aug 2012 #16
Nobody is arguing that dirt votes RZM Aug 2012 #18
a person's vote in one state should count the same as a person elsewhere CreekDog Aug 2012 #21
We are not a "democracy", we are a representative republic. n/t X_Digger Aug 2012 #22
which is why I didn't use the word "democracy"...that said, we should be "democratic"... CreekDog Aug 2012 #24
No, it's a balance between the principles. X_Digger Aug 2012 #35
You do realize that's a right wing talking point, correct? white_wolf Aug 2012 #25
Not really, no. Unless you think the founders were right wingers. X_Digger Aug 2012 #36
Some of them were fairly conservative. Hamilton comes to mind. white_wolf Aug 2012 #44
You're likely right. X_Digger Aug 2012 #47
Even in a true democracy you could have a bill of rights. white_wolf Aug 2012 #52
That is a big problem, but not one I think we'll fix with direct elections & proportional senate X_Digger Aug 2012 #54
One think that I think could really help our government is Proportional Representation. white_wolf Aug 2012 #62
Maybe, but then I look at Canada and the Stephen Harper mess. X_Digger Aug 2012 #63
Canada doesn't use Proportional representation. white_wolf Aug 2012 #64
Not proportional, no, but multi-party / coalitions.. X_Digger Aug 2012 #67
Canada is a winner-take-all system. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #86
This "tyranny of the 51 percent" is already what we have. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #72
The United States is a democracy, according to the Constitution of 1787. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #27
When candidates spend more time in Appalachia then Los Angeles taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #38
Fairer to all people because one PERSON in one state would have the same power in another CreekDog Aug 2012 #17
That isn't fairer. FBaggins Aug 2012 #31
Thanks for your science fiction scenario. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #43
Was there any substance at all to that post? FBaggins Aug 2012 #48
Your juvenile, generic dismissal implies that there was. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #59
Lol! FBaggins Aug 2012 #65
O, I am slain! JackRiddler Aug 2012 #70
Ask anyone in the world if they think the electoral college is 'great' or 'democratic' muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #69
Really? ANYONE in the world? FBaggins Aug 2012 #77
"far more into account than just raw vote totals" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #80
Straw man? FBaggins Aug 2012 #81
Most of the states in the USA were never sovereign governments muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #82
Again... that's specifically covered in the Supreme Court ruling. FBaggins Aug 2012 #83
Popular vote. boxman15 Aug 2012 #14
The only reason we had the electoral college in the first place was because of slavery. Puregonzo1188 Aug 2012 #19
How about we decide by an unpopular vote instead? jberryhill Aug 2012 #28
I support the Electoral College, which is based on population anyway. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #29
I vote for the electoral college. Not because it's better, but because OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #33
If stupid people are the problem... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #45
It is politically impossible to change to a popular vote system. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #34
The best part of your post is "Electoral Collage." Thanks. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #46
A typo at 7:54 am, what can I say? Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #76
I know this isn't a popular stance, but I'm a fence sitter davidpdx Aug 2012 #37
The Electoral College is better. Here's why. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #39
+1 Kaleva Aug 2012 #40
+1 Very valid points! Bettie Aug 2012 #50
You've come up with the best argument against a popular vote. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #51
Why do our Presidential elections need middlemen? Jefferson and Madison were against this. Zorra Aug 2012 #41
Jefferson owned several hundred slaves and raped the female ones. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #42
Jefferson was rather hypocritical in that regard. white_wolf Aug 2012 #53
This is also true of most of the framers of the Constitution. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #55
Socrates, Plato and Aristotle too defended the notion of slavery LanternWaste Aug 2012 #74
I have mixed feelings about this after years of arguing with my husband about it. Bettie Aug 2012 #49
You're almost there... JackRiddler Aug 2012 #73
The electoral college is a fucking joke. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #56
If it had anything to do with fucking, it would be a lot funnier. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #60
Both options have positive and negative consequences. MineralMan Aug 2012 #58
Popular vote. It's a common sense approach. nt Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #61
Popular vote, since states are so unequal in population. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #66
I have no real problem with individual states choosing delegates... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #71
Not. Keep the EC. Grave Grumbler Aug 2012 #75
Popular vote, but... FreeJoe Aug 2012 #78
Yes. Like corporations, states are not people. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #79
The electoral college is the two-party answer to having Parliament. - haele Aug 2012 #84
The Electoral College performs none of the functions you suggest. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #87
Shitcan the electoral college. Throd Aug 2012 #85
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