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12. Are you seriously saying that Franken's office could do any business...

Thu Dec 21, 2017, 03:23 PM

Dec 2017

...government business, with those who called on him to resign after they had done so?

If he refused he would not be able to get anything done anyway.

He was forced out.

And there was no investigation.

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Senator Gillibrand should be ashamed of railroading Senator Franken out of the Senate. [View all] madaboutharry Dec 2017 OP

Damn right they should! dewsgirl Dec 2017 #1

And Democrats simply CANT win ever, and you are proving it. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #2

Nope, the right thing to do was give Franken a fair hearing... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #111

Like I sad, Dems are in a no win with certain folks. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #112

Forcing Franken to defend against sexual harassment/assault charges IS sticking up for women... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #114

fairness for Franken Pagan0 Dec 2017 #156

agree Rene Dec 2017 #174

Yep. nt Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #164

Yep Alice11111 Dec 2017 #205

I see no reason for her to be ashamed. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #3

What Did Al Franken Do To Her? SoCalMusicLover Dec 2017 #5

No possibility for a win? NCTraveler Dec 2017 #99

I think the word IF was used ollie10 Dec 2017 #113

Oh, the irony in this reply... lunamagica Dec 2017 #152

+1! KPN Dec 2017 #166

Not a damn thing!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #115

It's what she did to ALL of us. maddiemom Dec 2017 #80

Leave me out of your "ALL" of us. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #98

So attacking Franken based on accusations was a "well-timed" attack? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #105

Count me in. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #116

You took my post as an ATTACK on the DEMOCRATS? maddiemom Dec 2017 #165

Apparently an attack on Franken rainin Dec 2017 #178

😞. Due process. Discernment between normal ppl and predators. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #188

...did our enemies work for them. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #204

You mean influence Gillibrand? BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #214

I have noticed that "logic" too. Circular, self serving, and analogoys to Trumpian... Alice11111 Dec 2017 #234

"plagued by the need to be liked" loyalsister Dec 2017 #4

Nobody denied him an ethics investigation. He voluntarily chose to resign. brooklynite Dec 2017 #6

Not true, he wasnt going to resign until dozens of Democrats asked him to Bluepinky Dec 2017 #8

He wasn't going to be able to "do" anything either way... brooklynite Dec 2017 #9

Gillibrand was wrong to force out Franken, I have lost respect for her. Bluepinky Dec 2017 #73

There ya go with those damned facts! Stinky The Clown Dec 2017 #10

Then hold them ALL responsible, Bernie & Elizabeth Warren too, not just Gillibrand.. whathehell Dec 2017 #83

i do. but gillibrand started sounding her orleans Dec 2017 #160

I agree that it was a bad call...I called his office myself to whathehell Dec 2017 #168

I certainly do. calimary Dec 2017 #190

He did not volunteer to resign standingtall Dec 2017 #11

None of the Democrats (and for that matter non of the Republicans) threatened to expel him. brooklynite Dec 2017 #18

They would have if he refused to resign standingtall Dec 2017 #21

...and conversely would have voted to seat Roy Moore (another story I've heard here)? brooklynite Dec 2017 #24

Are you seriously saying that Franken's office could do any business... joshcryer Dec 2017 #12

I pretend 'coercion' and 'volunteer' are synonymous as well. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #15

When Senator Gillibrand introduced the Military Justice and Improvement Act... brooklynite Dec 2017 #7

Everything ever done sense the day she took office has had standingtall Dec 2017 #13

Tell us, which prospective candidate meets your exacting specifications? brooklynite Dec 2017 #14

For starters candidates who do not standingtall Dec 2017 #19

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #26

I agree PatSeg Dec 2017 #29

Care to name any? brooklynite Dec 2017 #32

I can tell who is not standingtall Dec 2017 #41

I'm sure running nobody against Donald Trump will be a winning strategy brooklynite Dec 2017 #45

I was not aware that standingtall Dec 2017 #50

Silens doesn't indicate support. The only person who called on Franken to stay was Joe Manchin... brooklynite Dec 2017 #97

Some here (not me!) consider ALL Democrats to be progressives, so maybe he will "go over well" InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #124

No matter how many times you repeat that talking point standingtall Dec 2017 #175

I remember reading the same BS about Hillary Clinton Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #44

When did Hilary standingtall Dec 2017 #53

Yet she has voted more to oppose Trump Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #69

And her vote stopped exactly standingtall Dec 2017 #74

Again it is wrong when a woman does it Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #82

What are you talking about standingtall Dec 2017 #88

Votes in the Senate do mean something Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #100

Her votes against Trumps cabinet standingtall Dec 2017 #122

Yet she still has the highest voting record against Trump Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #144

She has not vote against Trumps major pieces of legislation standingtall Dec 2017 #145

Or she was standing up for a principle Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #181

Then you have not paid standingtall Dec 2017 #182

And maybe he was standing up for a principle too. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #183

Bologna standingtall Dec 2017 #185

That's a legal standard Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #192

Oh So you need legal standards to define your principles standingtall Dec 2017 #194

Legal standards and political considerations Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #197

Already been proven to you on standingtall Dec 2017 #200

Nothing has been proven Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #229

This message was self-deleted by its author standingtall Dec 2017 #231

Yup, and then she thanked the Clintons in the same Alice11111 Dec 2017 #209

Really, raising your pinky to vote is the least expected. LEAD! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #226

I am deeply disappointed in Sen. Gillibrand. I was excited back in 2009 when she got the appointment StevieM Dec 2017 #243

Women are allowed to be opportunistic and ambitious... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #128

True Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #143

I agree True Blue American Dec 2017 #172

It's absurdly fascinating you consistently bring up arguments no one else has made to argue against. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #16

I was told she went after Franken because of her desire to be President... brooklynite Dec 2017 #17

It could easily be both Nevernose Dec 2017 #64

Well reasoned and said, Nevernose. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #187

Well said!!! nt Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #142

I agree that she cares about sexual harassment tikka Jan 2018 #254

That has nothing to do with the backstabbing of Franken. brush Dec 2017 #31

Can I get a vote here? is it "gullible" or "ambitious"? brooklynite Dec 2017 #42

I'd say both. Her gulibility in falling for the repug hit job stymied her ambition for... brush Dec 2017 #49

What's wrong with presidential ambition? That's not a problem as far as I'm concerned. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #121

"in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ucrdem Dec 2017 #126

That's a decent tip, just not universally true, like most things in life. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #130

It's more the principle than any truth. ucrdem Dec 2017 #131

Okay, yes... not disagreeing with your main point at all. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #133

Primary her. jalan48 Dec 2017 #20

You've got a candidate, have you? brooklynite Dec 2017 #27

I'm sure there are great ones out there. jalan48 Dec 2017 #28

So, I'll put you down as "no" brooklynite Dec 2017 #30

Someone more in the mold of Al Franken would be perfect! jalan48 Dec 2017 #34

Would love it if Franken moved to New York and ran for her Senate seat there... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #134

She can forget as far as a presidential run. Who wants a candidate who turns on fellow Dems? brush Dec 2017 #35

Plenty of folks willing to say who they won't vote for... brooklynite Dec 2017 #40

I agree! True Blue American Dec 2017 #218

We have a lot of great prospects out there for sure PatSeg Dec 2017 #33

Is she yours? Are you expecting a job with her? Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #58

No, no, no and no brooklynite Dec 2017 #94

Her actions and words are quite enough. mn9driver Dec 2017 #106

I await your endorsement of one with breathless anticipation. brooklynite Dec 2017 #107

Sure. Al Franken. mn9driver Dec 2017 #150

well-played, mn9driver Skittles Dec 2017 #169

Fair enough. Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #118

Chelsea and Caroline Kennedy have both been mentioned ucrdem Dec 2017 #92

+1, we know Hillary would be a great Senator. nt R B Garr Dec 2017 #127

Singling out Gillibrand is pointless and sexist. yardwork Dec 2017 #22

I agree 100% yardwork SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #23

This is not some old tired argument PatSeg Dec 2017 #36

He's one Senator Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #47

One senator? You think the repugs will stop now that they know their hit jobs can work? brush Dec 2017 #59

Due process is a legal standard Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #63

You don't call an investigation into allegations justified? And I'm not gullible enough to think... brush Dec 2017 #68

Sure but that is a legal process Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #71

Such BS. A senate ethics investigation functions as due process for accused senators. brush Dec 2017 #72

That is still a legal process Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #102

And another thing, one senate vote can swing a bill either way, and Franken's seat will now... brush Dec 2017 #120

It may be but Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #141

Different, but I doubt bigger if trump can be stopped in the Senate. It's a fight on all fronts. brush Dec 2017 #147

Yes it is a fight on all fronts Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #180

Still not getting it. Dems helping throw out their own opened the gates to more repug hit jobs. brush Dec 2017 #186

No you're not getting it Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #193

Oh please. If anyone thinks Gillibrand herself is not damaged by her rush... brush Dec 2017 #195

She has with some especially Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #198

What cult of personality? Oh you mean like the Gillibrand one you belong to? brush Dec 2017 #199

Please that's very weak. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #230

As if you're immune to the "cult of personality" phrase you introduced. brush Dec 2017 #235

I'm not the beating my chest over one Senator. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #237

Not getting it again. It's not over one senator. It's the railroading of due process... brush Dec 2017 #238

No again you're not getting it. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #239

That ridiculous argument again? You've already been schooled here on that yet you still... brush Dec 2017 #240

Not ridiculous, but reality Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #242

Like I said, you were schooled on that before. Ethics investigations are the Senate's due process brush Dec 2017 #245

Never schooled. An ethics investigations is a legal process, not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #246

Due process is a concept of arriving at justice and fairness, not just a legal definition. brush Jan 2018 #248

And still not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #249

Neither is common sense, which some seem to lack. brush Jan 2018 #250

Agreed, you've totally proven that. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #255

Time for school again brush Jan 2018 #256

Still not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #257

Still can't accept written documented truth. Not worth a further response. brush Jan 2018 #258

Buh-bye! Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #259

Time for you to get schooled sir BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #76

Due Process is still not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #81

Of course it is. I'm 66 by the way, ALL GROWN UP ;-) BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #91

Could have fooled me. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #96

Franken wasn't denied due process ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #108

funny, I'd say he was denied due process by his impatient, alleged colleagues so anxious... brush Dec 2017 #123

Calling on Franken to resign ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #149

Maybe to some, to others it very much was. brush Dec 2017 #163

Read Your Own Title! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #173

I guess some people can't or won't see the big picture PatSeg Dec 2017 #119

That one senator is the reason we have the Mueller invetigation dansolo Dec 2017 #236

It takes a while for deep wounds to heal. It is best not to let them get infected and have to start JimBeard Dec 2017 #93

Gillibrand is not the only who used the Franken situation standingtall Dec 2017 #25

She led the charge. Now that senate seat is vulnerable in 2018. brush Dec 2017 #37

Vulnerable? Really? SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #43

The Minnesota Senate seat standingtall Dec 2017 #46

There has to be a special election in 2018, just as there was for Sessions' seat in Alabama. brush Dec 2017 #55

I'm referring to Franken's seat. The repugs are already lining up for the special election. brush Dec 2017 #48

She is fine by me JonLP24 Dec 2017 #104

That's your opinion, all right. brush Dec 2017 #125

They all charged. yardwork Dec 2017 #86

When someone starts an avalanche you dont share the blame with then rocks. Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #60

That's pathetic. Blame the senators with decades of experience, not the first-termer. yardwork Dec 2017 #87

I see countless posts about how Dems "can do nothing right now!". So if they can do nothing... BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #38

One Senator does not make a party. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #39

But an awful lot of the OTHER Dem Senators aren't making much of a party, either. FiveGoodMen Dec 2017 #51

Why cause you say so? Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #67

How many of them confirmed Trump's appointments without a fight? FiveGoodMen Dec 2017 #85

I agree with the OP DDySiegs Dec 2017 #52

Yup. Who needs enemies with friends like that? MiltonBrown Dec 2017 #54

Scratch her from the list of presidential possibles. oasis Dec 2017 #56

If Bernie bros could sink Clinton she is also DOA in a general Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #66

"DOA in a general". She won't get close to the Dem nomination oasis Dec 2017 #78

Guests? Would you like a gin gimlet? applegrove Dec 2017 #57

An ethics investigation might have revealed Qutzupalotl Dec 2017 #61

Franken also spotlighted Gorsuch's judicial (and human) lack of decency stuffmatters Dec 2017 #138

However you feel about it, she certainly made herself a divisive figure BeyondGeography Dec 2017 #62

I won't vote for any in a presidential primary who were involved with this...no one...the Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #65

I didn't want to start a food fight. madaboutharry Dec 2017 #70

if she is the nominee, we will lose again questionseverything Dec 2017 #79

Well put. maddiemom Dec 2017 #90

farenthold is going nowhere....claims he won't run next year, but i don't believe a word said spanone Dec 2017 #75

Democrats followed their usual pattern The Wizard Dec 2017 #77

Is hoping Hillary primaries her sexist??? Too many people are playing the sexist card! Sen. Collins FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #84

I'm upset with leadership because they did NOTHING to address how the majority of the base feels flamingdem Dec 2017 #89

"Poll: Only 22 percent of Minnesotans say Franken should stay in office" brooklynite Dec 2017 #109

Don't kid yourself. That poll smells of BS flamingdem Dec 2017 #117

And 58 percent of the people in that standingtall Dec 2017 #129

KSTP is a RW station, owned by Stanley Hubbard MrsMatt Dec 2017 #207

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We need to take the country back ASAP awesomerwb1 Dec 2017 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #101

All the Dems who back-stabbed Senator Franken should be ashamed cp Dec 2017 #103

She didnt even bother to show up at his farewell speech today riverwalker Dec 2017 #110

Wow - to see so few Senate colleagues for this event. BlueWI Dec 2017 #137

She was probably ashamed to show her face, as she should have been Glorfindel Jan 2018 #251

I will not forget what she did onetexan Dec 2017 #132

This is their response to ratfucking, capitulation. alarimer Dec 2017 #135

Absolutely right. Owl Dec 2017 #136

Is SHAME in the mind of ANY senator? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #139

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IMO, they took the Low Road of craven political ambition. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #146

Post removed Post removed Dec 2017 #213

I have no idea what you're talking about.?? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #225

He didn't know either. He left to get some Pizza. marble falls Dec 2017 #228

Sometimes pizza is exactly what's needed! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #232

Agreed. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #148

Some politicians have a need... AntiFascist Dec 2017 #151

I see no evidence of railroading -- just some senators with opinions aikoaiko Dec 2017 #153

Amen! Kajun Gal Dec 2017 #154

True. How can we win if we keep "firing" our attack dogs and those who show leadership... Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #155

Told Gillibrand several times zentrum Dec 2017 #157

Did she answer? True Blue American Dec 2017 #171

Spoke to aides zentrum Dec 2017 #176

Just make sure she does not get your vote. True Blue American Dec 2017 #216

My senator Jeff Merkeley just wrote me back marlakay Dec 2017 #158

Jeff is generally one of the good ones MurrayDelph Dec 2017 #189

I stand with Al and yet... peequod Dec 2017 #159

Good for you True Blue American Dec 2017 #217

But Democrats are good at holding press conferences and expressing alarm Loubee Dec 2017 #161

This one thing. JeaneRaye Dec 2017 #162

I agree. Our need to take the high (righteous) road is infinite it seems. KPN Dec 2017 #167

Email True Blue American Dec 2017 #170

No.... she shouldn't floWteiuQ Dec 2017 #177

If she is primaried, I will donate to her challenger. I will not forgive or forget. n/t rainin Dec 2017 #179

Gillibrand is dead to me. I don't care what she wants to do in politics . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #184

Also, when Schumer was targeted by the same people, different reaction robbedvoter Dec 2017 #191

Massive failure of judgment and fairness workinclasszero Dec 2017 #201

+1000 Alice11111 Dec 2017 #210

You can bet True Blue American Dec 2017 #219

K & R LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #202

+++ heaven05 Dec 2017 #203

+1,000,000 Alice11111 Dec 2017 #206

She is done! democratisphere Dec 2017 #208

I so hope Al moves to NY and runs asainst her. She went Alice11111 Dec 2017 #211

Minnesota may not want to give up Al. He is a political treasure in the current environment. democratisphere Dec 2017 #212

Really! He loves Minnesota, but the Gov already appointed Alice11111 Dec 2017 #215

Hillary,or better yet,Chelsea True Blue American Dec 2017 #220

Chelsea, Bill, Hillary, Al Franken, or any good Democrat Alice11111 Dec 2017 #221

I like that,:) True Blue American Dec 2017 #223

I Used to Admire Gillibrand Upward Dec 2017 #222

When you put yourself first you lose True Blue American Dec 2017 #224

There were early signs, but we could not imagine she would Alice11111 Dec 2017 #227

This is such bulllshit Casprings Dec 2017 #233

Does Gillibrand believe in due process? I think she was a prosecutor. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #244

STOP bashing Dems. The Russians are promoting this idea big time. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #241

Disagree. Both Senators are good people, to me. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #247

Divisive Lunabell Jan 2018 #252

Senator Gillbrand when asked if her good friend Anthony Weiner should stay in the NYC Mayoral race. CentralMass Jan 2018 #253