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madaboutharry

(40,245 posts) Thu Dec 21, 2017, 02:33 PM Dec 2017

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Senator Gillibrand should be ashamed of railroading Senator Franken out of the Senate. [View all]

Along with Chuck Shumer who also should be ashamed for hounding Sen. Franken the entire day before he resigned.

The way I see it, democrats are plagued by a need to be liked and a self-destructive habit of worrying what other people think of them.
They are hung up on appearing to "take the high road' and to have a superior moral standing. It is a philosophy that serves no one, it only serves their own egos.

Sen. Franken should have been permitted an ethics investigation. The failure to follow this process is a disgrace. If it was determined that he did not deserve his seat in the senate, he could have resigned at that time. Prematurely forcing him out hurt democracy.

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Senator Gillibrand should be ashamed of railroading Senator Franken out of the Senate. [View all] madaboutharry Dec 2017 OP

Damn right they should! dewsgirl Dec 2017 #1

And Democrats simply CANT win ever, and you are proving it. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #2

Nope, the right thing to do was give Franken a fair hearing... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #111

Like I sad, Dems are in a no win with certain folks. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #112

Forcing Franken to defend against sexual harassment/assault charges IS sticking up for women... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #114

fairness for Franken Pagan0 Dec 2017 #156

agree Rene Dec 2017 #174

Yep. nt Susan Calvin Dec 2017 #164

Yep Alice11111 Dec 2017 #205

I see no reason for her to be ashamed. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #3

What Did Al Franken Do To Her? SoCalMusicLover Dec 2017 #5

No possibility for a win? NCTraveler Dec 2017 #99

I think the word IF was used ollie10 Dec 2017 #113

Oh, the irony in this reply... lunamagica Dec 2017 #152

+1! KPN Dec 2017 #166

Not a damn thing!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #115

It's what she did to ALL of us. maddiemom Dec 2017 #80

Leave me out of your "ALL" of us. NCTraveler Dec 2017 #98

So attacking Franken based on accusations was a "well-timed" attack? n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #105

Count me in. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #116

You took my post as an ATTACK on the DEMOCRATS? maddiemom Dec 2017 #165

Apparently an attack on Franken rainin Dec 2017 #178

😞. Due process. Discernment between normal ppl and predators. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #188

...did our enemies work for them. Alice11111 Dec 2017 #204

You mean influence Gillibrand? BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2017 #214

I have noticed that "logic" too. Circular, self serving, and analogoys to Trumpian... Alice11111 Dec 2017 #234

"plagued by the need to be liked" loyalsister Dec 2017 #4

Nobody denied him an ethics investigation. He voluntarily chose to resign. brooklynite Dec 2017 #6

Not true, he wasnt going to resign until dozens of Democrats asked him to Bluepinky Dec 2017 #8

He wasn't going to be able to "do" anything either way... brooklynite Dec 2017 #9

Gillibrand was wrong to force out Franken, I have lost respect for her. Bluepinky Dec 2017 #73

There ya go with those damned facts! Stinky The Clown Dec 2017 #10

Then hold them ALL responsible, Bernie & Elizabeth Warren too, not just Gillibrand.. whathehell Dec 2017 #83

i do. but gillibrand started sounding her orleans Dec 2017 #160

I agree that it was a bad call...I called his office myself to whathehell Dec 2017 #168

I certainly do. calimary Dec 2017 #190

He did not volunteer to resign standingtall Dec 2017 #11

None of the Democrats (and for that matter non of the Republicans) threatened to expel him. brooklynite Dec 2017 #18

They would have if he refused to resign standingtall Dec 2017 #21

...and conversely would have voted to seat Roy Moore (another story I've heard here)? brooklynite Dec 2017 #24

Are you seriously saying that Franken's office could do any business... joshcryer Dec 2017 #12

I pretend 'coercion' and 'volunteer' are synonymous as well. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #15

When Senator Gillibrand introduced the Military Justice and Improvement Act... brooklynite Dec 2017 #7

Everything ever done sense the day she took office has had standingtall Dec 2017 #13

Tell us, which prospective candidate meets your exacting specifications? brooklynite Dec 2017 #14

For starters candidates who do not standingtall Dec 2017 #19

+1000 LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #26

I agree PatSeg Dec 2017 #29

Care to name any? brooklynite Dec 2017 #32

I can tell who is not standingtall Dec 2017 #41

I'm sure running nobody against Donald Trump will be a winning strategy brooklynite Dec 2017 #45

I was not aware that standingtall Dec 2017 #50

Silens doesn't indicate support. The only person who called on Franken to stay was Joe Manchin... brooklynite Dec 2017 #97

Some here (not me!) consider ALL Democrats to be progressives, so maybe he will "go over well" InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #124

No matter how many times you repeat that talking point standingtall Dec 2017 #175

I remember reading the same BS about Hillary Clinton Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #44

When did Hilary standingtall Dec 2017 #53

Yet she has voted more to oppose Trump Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #69

And her vote stopped exactly standingtall Dec 2017 #74

Again it is wrong when a woman does it Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #82

What are you talking about standingtall Dec 2017 #88

Votes in the Senate do mean something Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #100

Her votes against Trumps cabinet standingtall Dec 2017 #122

Yet she still has the highest voting record against Trump Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #144

She has not vote against Trumps major pieces of legislation standingtall Dec 2017 #145

Or she was standing up for a principle Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #181

Then you have not paid standingtall Dec 2017 #182

And maybe he was standing up for a principle too. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #183

Bologna standingtall Dec 2017 #185

That's a legal standard Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #192

Oh So you need legal standards to define your principles standingtall Dec 2017 #194

Legal standards and political considerations Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #197

Already been proven to you on standingtall Dec 2017 #200

Nothing has been proven Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #229

This message was self-deleted by its author standingtall Dec 2017 #231

Yup, and then she thanked the Clintons in the same Alice11111 Dec 2017 #209

Really, raising your pinky to vote is the least expected. LEAD! Alice11111 Dec 2017 #226

I am deeply disappointed in Sen. Gillibrand. I was excited back in 2009 when she got the appointment StevieM Dec 2017 #243

Women are allowed to be opportunistic and ambitious... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #128

True Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #143

I agree True Blue American Dec 2017 #172

It's absurdly fascinating you consistently bring up arguments no one else has made to argue against. LanternWaste Dec 2017 #16

I was told she went after Franken because of her desire to be President... brooklynite Dec 2017 #17

It could easily be both Nevernose Dec 2017 #64

Well reasoned and said, Nevernose. kstewart33 Dec 2017 #187

Well said!!! nt Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #142

I agree that she cares about sexual harassment tikka Jan 2018 #254

That has nothing to do with the backstabbing of Franken. brush Dec 2017 #31

Can I get a vote here? is it "gullible" or "ambitious"? brooklynite Dec 2017 #42

I'd say both. Her gulibility in falling for the repug hit job stymied her ambition for... brush Dec 2017 #49

What's wrong with presidential ambition? That's not a problem as far as I'm concerned. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #121

"in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ucrdem Dec 2017 #126

That's a decent tip, just not universally true, like most things in life. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #130

It's more the principle than any truth. ucrdem Dec 2017 #131

Okay, yes... not disagreeing with your main point at all. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #133

Primary her. jalan48 Dec 2017 #20

You've got a candidate, have you? brooklynite Dec 2017 #27

I'm sure there are great ones out there. jalan48 Dec 2017 #28

So, I'll put you down as "no" brooklynite Dec 2017 #30

Someone more in the mold of Al Franken would be perfect! jalan48 Dec 2017 #34

Would love it if Franken moved to New York and ran for her Senate seat there... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2017 #134

She can forget as far as a presidential run. Who wants a candidate who turns on fellow Dems? brush Dec 2017 #35

Plenty of folks willing to say who they won't vote for... brooklynite Dec 2017 #40

I agree! True Blue American Dec 2017 #218

We have a lot of great prospects out there for sure PatSeg Dec 2017 #33

Is she yours? Are you expecting a job with her? Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #58

No, no, no and no brooklynite Dec 2017 #94

Her actions and words are quite enough. mn9driver Dec 2017 #106

I await your endorsement of one with breathless anticipation. brooklynite Dec 2017 #107

Sure. Al Franken. mn9driver Dec 2017 #150

well-played, mn9driver Skittles Dec 2017 #169

Fair enough. Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #118

Chelsea and Caroline Kennedy have both been mentioned ucrdem Dec 2017 #92

+1, we know Hillary would be a great Senator. nt R B Garr Dec 2017 #127

Singling out Gillibrand is pointless and sexist. yardwork Dec 2017 #22

I agree 100% yardwork SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #23

This is not some old tired argument PatSeg Dec 2017 #36

He's one Senator Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #47

One senator? You think the repugs will stop now that they know their hit jobs can work? brush Dec 2017 #59

Due process is a legal standard Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #63

You don't call an investigation into allegations justified? And I'm not gullible enough to think... brush Dec 2017 #68

Sure but that is a legal process Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #71

Such BS. A senate ethics investigation functions as due process for accused senators. brush Dec 2017 #72

That is still a legal process Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #102

And another thing, one senate vote can swing a bill either way, and Franken's seat will now... brush Dec 2017 #120

It may be but Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #141

Different, but I doubt bigger if trump can be stopped in the Senate. It's a fight on all fronts. brush Dec 2017 #147

Yes it is a fight on all fronts Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #180

Still not getting it. Dems helping throw out their own opened the gates to more repug hit jobs. brush Dec 2017 #186

No you're not getting it Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #193

Oh please. If anyone thinks Gillibrand herself is not damaged by her rush... brush Dec 2017 #195

She has with some especially Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #198

What cult of personality? Oh you mean like the Gillibrand one you belong to? brush Dec 2017 #199

Please that's very weak. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #230

As if you're immune to the "cult of personality" phrase you introduced. brush Dec 2017 #235

I'm not the beating my chest over one Senator. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #237

Not getting it again. It's not over one senator. It's the railroading of due process... brush Dec 2017 #238

No again you're not getting it. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #239

That ridiculous argument again? You've already been schooled here on that yet you still... brush Dec 2017 #240

Not ridiculous, but reality Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #242

Like I said, you were schooled on that before. Ethics investigations are the Senate's due process brush Dec 2017 #245

Never schooled. An ethics investigations is a legal process, not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #246

Due process is a concept of arriving at justice and fairness, not just a legal definition. brush Jan 2018 #248

And still not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #249

Neither is common sense, which some seem to lack. brush Jan 2018 #250

Agreed, you've totally proven that. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #255

Time for school again brush Jan 2018 #256

Still not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #257

Still can't accept written documented truth. Not worth a further response. brush Jan 2018 #258

Buh-bye! Trumpocalypse Jan 2018 #259

Time for you to get schooled sir BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #76

Due Process is still not a political consideration. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #81

Of course it is. I'm 66 by the way, ALL GROWN UP ;-) BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #91

Could have fooled me. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #96

Franken wasn't denied due process ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #108

funny, I'd say he was denied due process by his impatient, alleged colleagues so anxious... brush Dec 2017 #123

Calling on Franken to resign ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #149

Maybe to some, to others it very much was. brush Dec 2017 #163

Read Your Own Title! ProfessorGAC Dec 2017 #173

I guess some people can't or won't see the big picture PatSeg Dec 2017 #119

That one senator is the reason we have the Mueller invetigation dansolo Dec 2017 #236

It takes a while for deep wounds to heal. It is best not to let them get infected and have to start JimBeard Dec 2017 #93

Gillibrand is not the only who used the Franken situation standingtall Dec 2017 #25

She led the charge. Now that senate seat is vulnerable in 2018. brush Dec 2017 #37

Vulnerable? Really? SCantiGOP Dec 2017 #43

The Minnesota Senate seat standingtall Dec 2017 #46

There has to be a special election in 2018, just as there was for Sessions' seat in Alabama. brush Dec 2017 #55

I'm referring to Franken's seat. The repugs are already lining up for the special election. brush Dec 2017 #48

She is fine by me JonLP24 Dec 2017 #104

That's your opinion, all right. brush Dec 2017 #125

They all charged. yardwork Dec 2017 #86

When someone starts an avalanche you dont share the blame with then rocks. Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #60

That's pathetic. Blame the senators with decades of experience, not the first-termer. yardwork Dec 2017 #87

I see countless posts about how Dems "can do nothing right now!". So if they can do nothing... BamaRefugee Dec 2017 #38

One Senator does not make a party. Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #39

But an awful lot of the OTHER Dem Senators aren't making much of a party, either. FiveGoodMen Dec 2017 #51

Why cause you say so? Trumpocalypse Dec 2017 #67

How many of them confirmed Trump's appointments without a fight? FiveGoodMen Dec 2017 #85

I agree with the OP DDySiegs Dec 2017 #52

Yup. Who needs enemies with friends like that? MiltonBrown Dec 2017 #54

Scratch her from the list of presidential possibles. oasis Dec 2017 #56

If Bernie bros could sink Clinton she is also DOA in a general Exultant Democracy Dec 2017 #66

"DOA in a general". She won't get close to the Dem nomination oasis Dec 2017 #78

Guests? Would you like a gin gimlet? applegrove Dec 2017 #57

An ethics investigation might have revealed Qutzupalotl Dec 2017 #61

Franken also spotlighted Gorsuch's judicial (and human) lack of decency stuffmatters Dec 2017 #138

However you feel about it, she certainly made herself a divisive figure BeyondGeography Dec 2017 #62

I won't vote for any in a presidential primary who were involved with this...no one...the Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #65

I didn't want to start a food fight. madaboutharry Dec 2017 #70

if she is the nominee, we will lose again questionseverything Dec 2017 #79

Well put. maddiemom Dec 2017 #90

farenthold is going nowhere....claims he won't run next year, but i don't believe a word said spanone Dec 2017 #75

Democrats followed their usual pattern The Wizard Dec 2017 #77

Is hoping Hillary primaries her sexist??? Too many people are playing the sexist card! Sen. Collins FreeStateDemocrat Dec 2017 #84

I'm upset with leadership because they did NOTHING to address how the majority of the base feels flamingdem Dec 2017 #89

"Poll: Only 22 percent of Minnesotans say Franken should stay in office" brooklynite Dec 2017 #109

Don't kid yourself. That poll smells of BS flamingdem Dec 2017 #117

And 58 percent of the people in that standingtall Dec 2017 #129

KSTP is a RW station, owned by Stanley Hubbard MrsMatt Dec 2017 #207

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We need to take the country back ASAP awesomerwb1 Dec 2017 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #101

All the Dems who back-stabbed Senator Franken should be ashamed cp Dec 2017 #103

She didnt even bother to show up at his farewell speech today riverwalker Dec 2017 #110

Wow - to see so few Senate colleagues for this event. BlueWI Dec 2017 #137

She was probably ashamed to show her face, as she should have been Glorfindel Jan 2018 #251

I will not forget what she did onetexan Dec 2017 #132

This is their response to ratfucking, capitulation. alarimer Dec 2017 #135

Absolutely right. Owl Dec 2017 #136

Is SHAME in the mind of ANY senator? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #139

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IMO, they took the Low Road of craven political ambition. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #146

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I have no idea what you're talking about.?? MoonRiver Dec 2017 #225

He didn't know either. He left to get some Pizza. marble falls Dec 2017 #228

Sometimes pizza is exactly what's needed! MoonRiver Dec 2017 #232

Agreed. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #148

Some politicians have a need... AntiFascist Dec 2017 #151

I see no evidence of railroading -- just some senators with opinions aikoaiko Dec 2017 #153

Amen! Kajun Gal Dec 2017 #154

True. How can we win if we keep "firing" our attack dogs and those who show leadership... Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #155

Told Gillibrand several times zentrum Dec 2017 #157

Did she answer? True Blue American Dec 2017 #171

Spoke to aides zentrum Dec 2017 #176

Just make sure she does not get your vote. True Blue American Dec 2017 #216

My senator Jeff Merkeley just wrote me back marlakay Dec 2017 #158

Jeff is generally one of the good ones MurrayDelph Dec 2017 #189

I stand with Al and yet... peequod Dec 2017 #159

Good for you True Blue American Dec 2017 #217

But Democrats are good at holding press conferences and expressing alarm Loubee Dec 2017 #161

This one thing. JeaneRaye Dec 2017 #162

I agree. Our need to take the high (righteous) road is infinite it seems. KPN Dec 2017 #167

Email True Blue American Dec 2017 #170

No.... she shouldn't floWteiuQ Dec 2017 #177

If she is primaried, I will donate to her challenger. I will not forgive or forget. n/t rainin Dec 2017 #179

Gillibrand is dead to me. I don't care what she wants to do in politics . . . MrModerate Dec 2017 #184

Also, when Schumer was targeted by the same people, different reaction robbedvoter Dec 2017 #191

Massive failure of judgment and fairness workinclasszero Dec 2017 #201

+1000 Alice11111 Dec 2017 #210

You can bet True Blue American Dec 2017 #219

K & R LiberalLovinLug Dec 2017 #202

+++ heaven05 Dec 2017 #203

+1,000,000 Alice11111 Dec 2017 #206

She is done! democratisphere Dec 2017 #208

I so hope Al moves to NY and runs asainst her. She went Alice11111 Dec 2017 #211

Minnesota may not want to give up Al. He is a political treasure in the current environment. democratisphere Dec 2017 #212

Really! He loves Minnesota, but the Gov already appointed Alice11111 Dec 2017 #215

Hillary,or better yet,Chelsea True Blue American Dec 2017 #220

Chelsea, Bill, Hillary, Al Franken, or any good Democrat Alice11111 Dec 2017 #221

I like that,:) True Blue American Dec 2017 #223

I Used to Admire Gillibrand Upward Dec 2017 #222

When you put yourself first you lose True Blue American Dec 2017 #224

There were early signs, but we could not imagine she would Alice11111 Dec 2017 #227

This is such bulllshit Casprings Dec 2017 #233

Does Gillibrand believe in due process? I think she was a prosecutor. MoonRiver Dec 2017 #244

STOP bashing Dems. The Russians are promoting this idea big time. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #241

Disagree. Both Senators are good people, to me. Mc Mike Jan 2018 #247

Divisive Lunabell Jan 2018 #252

Senator Gillbrand when asked if her good friend Anthony Weiner should stay in the NYC Mayoral race. CentralMass Jan 2018 #253