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The Issues - Where Do You and Your Candidate Stand on Fracking?

As it becomes more difficult to extract gas from the ground, oil companies are turning more and more to processes like fracking.

Fracking is the injection of a high pressure mixture of water and chemicals into shale to crack the shale to release the trapped gas. (1)

Fracking uses extremely large amounts of fresh water plus a secret mixture of chemicals.

“Fracking requires between two and five million gallons of local freshwater per well - up to 100 times more than traditional extraction methods. “ (1)

While fracking may be beneficial to oil company profits, it's extremely bad for the environment. Water is one of the most important resources we have and fracking is contaminating billions of gallons, rendering it unfit for normal human use.

The chemicals used include carcinogens and toxins like, lead, uranium, mercury, ethylene glycol, radium, methanol, hydrochloric acid, formaldehyde, and over 500 more types. (2)

And what happens to the billions of gallons of contaminated fresh water? Great question.

While oil company profits are rising, peoples around the world are protesting the effect of fracking on their environments.

“PHILADELPHIA -- Demonstrators in the United States and other countries protested Saturday against the natural gas drilling process known as fracking that they say threatens public health and the environment.” (3)

So where do the candidates stand on this process of fracking our environment?

Hillary Clinton is a strong proponent of fracking. While working for the taxpayers as Secretary of State, she used the power of the US of A to convince foreign governments to begin or increase their use of fracking in spite of the protesting peoples in those countries.

“Clinton urged Bulgarian officials to give fracking another chance. According to Borissov, she agreed to help fly in the "best specialists on these new technologies to present the benefits to the Bulgarian people." But resistance only grew. The following month in neighboring Romania, thousands of people gathered to protest another Chevron fracking project, and Romania's parliament began weighing its own shale gas moratorium. Again Clinton intervened, dispatching her special envoy for energy in Eurasia, Richard Morningstar, to push back against the fracking bans.” (3)

So while peoples in countries around the world are protesting the destruction of their fresh water, Secretary Clinton was using our tax dollars to help Haliburton, Chevron, and other oil giants convince governments to use the environmentally damaging process of fracking.

While some try to say that Clinton and Senator Sanders are close on most issues, the fricking fracking issue shows that they are miles apart.

"I'm very proud that the state of Vermont banned fracking. I hope communities all over California, and all over America do the same."
Senator Bernie Sanders (4)


Oil companies are using the fracking process around the world to increase their profits while destroying the freshwater supplies of the people. And where are they going to dump their billions of gallons of toxic waste water? Probably not in their own backyard.

(1) http://www.cleanwateraction.org/page/fracking-process

(2) http://dangersoffracking.com/

(3) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/global-protests-fracking-globalfrackdown_n_1905034.html

(4) http://www.betterworld.net/quotes/bernie12.htm

I appreciate your kind words even if I am not sure how to take the "level-headed" comment.

I have never been accused of that. But I've learned a lot posting in DU and still have a lot to learn about dealing with those here (and in society) that think they can shut down conversations by ridicule and mockery. You see it's easy to be a bully when anonymous. And especially easy if one uses self-righteousness to justify their bully behavior. It is a real challenge to try to hang in and be "level-headed" when being baited into over-reacting.

Sen Sanders isn't our last chance to throw off the chains of tyranny that controls our government. He is just one in many that make up the Populist Movement that has the wealthy Oligarchs and their minions afraid. But we must be non-violent even when faced with the bait to be violent. As we've seen with OWS, the tyrants will be brutal, even to the non-violent. But violence would end what few freedoms we have left.

Conspiracy Theories are given a bad rap by those in control. They want everyone to trust them and not believe those that might not agree. Conspiracies are a part of life especially in government. It's the sole purpose of think tanks and Karl Rove makes a very good living conspiring. Wouldn't you love to know what he is up to now? Those that don't like open discussion are the ones that use the fear of CT to shut down discussions. They want to believe that their emperor has clothes.

Posted by rhett o rick | Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:02 PM (1 replies)

The first two are pure political rhetoric. "We have a problem and we have to figure out ......."

On banking reform, she says she wants to "figure out" the best way to address it but won't say what that might look like. It could be anything. She didn't commit to tighter regulations because she might not think that's the best way.

About the TPP, "she wants to see rules...." Yes so what. What if you never get those rules? Tell us you would be against it without the rules. And "she is concerned about a provision...." How concerned? Enough to stop supporting it?

On Iran she actually makes a statement. "she supports the agreement". That's what we need. Statements not rhetoric.

How about fracking? I think she supports it but she hasn't made it very clear.

How about the XL Pipeline? Not clear where she stands.

How about domestic spying, indefinite detention, the Patriot Act, Drone killing, torture, closing Gitmo, etc. There are a lot of issues she hasn't made very clear.
Posted by rhett o rick | Tue Aug 4, 2015, 06:23 PM (0 replies)

Some think they are solving problems by censoring language. Language isn't the problem.

Censoring language isn't being liberal. Neither is self-righteousness. The subject of word meanings and usage is something we definitely need to discuss on a "politically liberal" message board. But I don't think it's possible here.

You make a good point even though I doubt you know it. So why would he give up a high paying

job for a low paying government job? Is it because he is altruistic and really want's to help the American people, or is it that he would use his low paying job to save billions for the wealthy so they can pay him back when the revolving door swings him back to work for them. This is the lowest form of graft. People are dying because they can't eat good food, or find housing or get decent medical attention. Yet you support this corrupt politician that supports the wealthy at the expense of the poor.

This is a class war? Whose side are you on? Holder is on the side of the 1%.
Posted by rhett o rick | Thu Jul 9, 2015, 12:06 AM (5 replies)

Just put them on ignore. They have nothing but ridicule and you won't miss a thing.

The Billionaires have the money to Swiftboat Sen Sanders. It's worth multi-billions to them to keep him out of office. This fake racist issue is just the beginning. Actually the fake dual citizenship attack was the beginning.

Some here justify their support for HRC by claiming that social justice is more important than economic justice, therefore they don't care if HRC favors the Oligarchy economically. Of course they are wrong social justice and economic justice go hand in hand.

Stay and put them on ignore.

Do Some Social Justice Advocates Go Too Far?

This is from an article from medium.com posted by Aristotelis Orginos. More at the link:
https://medium.com/@aristoNYC/social-justice-bullies-the-authoritarianism-of-millennial-social-justice-6bdb5ad3c9d3

Let me finally be abundantly, abundantly clear. Social justice and social justice advocacy is a good thing. To utilize one’s education to solve social ills is an admirable goal.

However,
 in attempting to solve pressing and important social issues, millennial social justice advocates are violently sabotaging genuine opportunities for progress by infecting a liberal political narrative with, ironically, hate.

The version of millennial social justice advocacy  one that uses Identity Politics to balkanize groups of people, engenders hatred between groups, willingly lies to push agendas, manipulates language to provide immunity from criticism, and that publicly shames anyone who remotely speaks some sort of dissent from the overarching narrative of the orthodoxy — is not admirable. It is deplorable. It appeals to the basest of human instincts: fear and hatred. It is not an enlightened or educated position to take. History will not look kindly on this Orwellian, authoritarian pervision of social justice that has taken social media and millennials by storm over the past few years.

But the fact of the matter is — anyone unwilling to engage in productive, open, mutually critical conversations with people they disagree with under the moral protection of liberalism and social justice are not liberals, are not social justice advocates, and are not social justice warriors; they are social justice bullies.


Emphasis in bold added

This is an interesting article and not directed at anyone in DU.

And here is what she will say when the deal is done. "It's not as good as I would have liked.

We may have to improve on some aspects."

With the help of the Democratic Leadership all Democrats could get behind

Sen Sanders. But the billionaires have their eye on a HRC v Jeb Bush general. Win-win as the CEO of Goldman-Sachs explained to his executives.

The American people are the frog in the soup pot. The Republicons want to turn the heat up high, the conservative Democrats are ok with the current simmer, the Plutocratic-Oligarchs are happy either way. I am hoping that the frog follows the lead of Sen Sanders and jumps out of the pot and flips-off Goldman-Sachs, the king of the Oligarchs. I guess I'd rather die trying to save our democracy and economy than "simmer" for another 8 years.

"A handful of DUers", what does that mean? A special group? Where do they discuss these

lists?
Posted by rhett o rick | Sat Jun 6, 2015, 01:38 PM (2 replies)
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