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NBC: Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows

A divided nation finally agrees on something overwhelmingly: the war in Iraq was simply not worth fighting.

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Just 22 percent now believe the 2003 war effort was worthwhile.

In a January 2013 NBC/Wall Street Journal poll asking the same question, 59 percent of Americans said the war wasn’t worth it, versus 35 percent who said the opposite.

Half of respondents also said that the United States does not have a responsibility to help the Iraqi government as the country descends into sectarian violence, while 43 percent said that America should intervene.

Americans are even more pessimistic about Iraq – where insurgent groups now threaten to overpower the government – than about the war in Afghanistan. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll earlier this month showed that 27 percent of respondents said the Afghan conflict was worth it, versus 65 percent who disagreed. Negativity about Iraq appears to rival that of the Vietnam War; three Gallup polls conducted from 1999-2000 found that about 7 in 10 Americans believe that 1970s war was a “mistake.”



1) We can not end the 1400 year old Sunni/Shia conflict

2) We are creating enemies, not making Ameirca safer

3) It will kill us in 2014

4) The majority is against it, and we are a democracy..... right?

WaPo: Syrian aircraft bomb Sunni militant targets inside Iraq

Syrian government aircraft bombed Sunni militant targets inside Iraq on Tuesday, further broadening the Middle Eastern crisis a day after Israeli warplanes and rockets struck targets inside Syria.

Iraqi state media initially reported that the attacks near Iraq’s western border with Syria were carried out by U.S. drones, a claim that was quickly and forcefully denied by the Pentagon.

Separately, the Pentagon said that 90 additional U.S. troops arrived in Iraq, part of up to 300 military advisers whom President Obama said last week he would deploy there to assess the situation before taking any further U.S. military action. A statement said that U.S. aircraft are now flying 30 to 35 manned and unmanned daily surveillance flights over Iraq.

The main U.S. effort Tuesday was on the diplomatic front, as Secretary of State John F. Kerry traveled to Irbil, the Kurdish regional capital, to urge leaders there to remain part of Iraq. As they met, fighters from local Sunni tribes, apparently working with militant fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), wrested control of at least part of Iraq’s largest oil refinery from government troops.


Poll: Can the US end the 1400 year old Sunni/Shia conflict by bombing Iraq now?

Guardian: Iraq crisis: Kerry vows 'sustained' US support for Iraqi forces

As our live blog coverage continues, here's a summary of where things stand:

• The United States will provide "intense and sustained" support for Iraqi forces in their fight against insurgent militants, secretary of state John Kerry told a news conference in Baghdad. He said Iraqi forces must be armed and trained.

• Kerry said Iraqi prime minister Nouri al-Maliki had committed to convening a new government on 1 July and that new leaders would be chosen shortly thereafter. Kerry and Maliki met for 100 minutes Monday.

• In a CBSNews /NYTimes poll, 50% of respondents said the US had no responsibility to act on violence in Iraq, while 42% say the US did have a responsibility.

• Militants held border crossings into Syria and Jordan and appeared to win the battle for the northwestern Iraqi city of Tal Afar. The Iraqi military said "hundreds" of Iraqi soldiers had been killed fighting Isis.

• Before Isis militants took the border crossing into Jordan at Turaibil, Jordanian officials had said the border was under their control.

• Sixty-nine detainees of the state were killed in a militant attack on an Iraqi convoy south of Baghdad, AFP reported. The circumstances of the prisoners' deaths were unclear.

• The president of Iraqi Kurdistan said peshmerga fighters were in control of Kirkuk and "the time is now" for the Kurds to determine their own future.


Can someone explain why we in Iraq in the first place? NT

I hope everyone understands that once Obama starts Iraq War III, everything that

transpires in the future, or has ever transpired in the past, regarding the Middle East, will forever and always be blamed on Obama and us Democrats.

I hope he's not foolish enough to pursue this fools errand.

"Next: president Obama's war on terror in the Middle East" - David Gregory, meet the Press, 6/22/2014

When Obama says we are going to fight for "American Interests', he means the oil, right???

While "American forces will not be returning to combat in Iraq," Obama said that the U.S. "will help Iraqis as they take the fight to terrorists who threaten the Iraqi people, the region and American interests as well."

Or is it something else?

Can we all agree that Iraq has been a fruitless war? That nothing positive has come from it thus far


At least for the Iraqi & American people?

Sure, Cheney & his buds have made lots of money. The oil profits that used to go to Iraq have now been privatized....

But overall there has not been any positive gains from the war and I would submit there will continue to be none, no matter how small Iraq War III may be.

It's high time we recognized that WE are the problem. Not the disenfranchised Iraqi's.

No to escalation. It's a fools errand. Let's not play the fool for big oil & big war.

"Dick Cheney Should be Rotting in The Hague, Not Writing Editorials"

...But Cheney’s hypocrisy on Iraq is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to all the reasons why he’s probably the worst person ever to listen to for advice on, well, everything. Remember, Cheney was the guy who almost bankrupted Halliburton by exposing it to asbestos liabilities and then used his position as Vice President of the United States to bail the company out with no-bid contracts during the Iraq War, all while owning millions in Halliburton stock options.

Remember, Cheney was the guy who played a key role in the Bush administration’s illegal torture program. You know - the illegal torture program that was based on tactics invented by Maoist China and turned our country into a pariah state. And remember, Cheney was the guy who was supposed be on the lookout for terrorist attacks in the summer of 2001, but was too busy plotting out ways to attack Iraq to listen to warning after warning about how Al Qaeda was about to kill thousands of Americans.

Cheney let 9/11 happen on his watch.

American history has had its share of villains - J. Edgar Hoover, Joe McCarthy, and Richard Nixon come to mind as some of the worst - but there is no one in recent history who has disgraced our country quite like Dick Cheney has. He lied his way into an illegal war, profited off that war, and shredded the Constitution. He’s a war criminal and has the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people on his hands.

Dick Cheney should be rotting in a prison cell at The Hague, not writing editorials for the Wall Street Journal.

- See more at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/06/dick-cheney-should-be-rotting-hague-not-writing-editorials#sthash.n3Fow1og.dpuf

Here's Who Is Fighting in Iraq and Why (VICE)

Team Sunni

The big name on the Sunni side is ISIS. The insurgent group originally started in the mid-2000s during the Iraq War, where the group developed a lot of close relationships and affiliated closely with local al Qaeda franchises. But ISIS really hit its stride in the Syrian Civil War, gaining some notoriety as the folks who were so psycho that they got dumped by al Qaeda. It’s not entirely clear whether psychopathy was actually the reason for the split, or whether it was an administrative and bureaucratic turf fight that got of hand, but you’re likely to hear both claims in the coming days.


Team Shia

Maliki has been beating on the Sunni and the Kurds in much the same way that Saddam was beating on the Shia and the Kurds, except for two things. One, Maliki hasn’t been putting a non-sectarian, nationalist political frosting over the top of it. Two, Saddam was only broadly known and understood to be a proxy for the Saudis and Gulf Arab States; Maliki and has been a lot more open about getting in bed with his benefactors, the Iranians, relying on them for things like delivering key voting blocks to maintain his grip on power.


Team Kurd

One potential winner in all of this might be the Kurds, an ethnic minority in northern Iraq, northwestern Iran, northeastern Syria, and easternmost Turkey. Without their own state, they’ve been under the heel of the central government in just about every country they’re found in. However, one of the consequences of turmoil in Iraq in recent decades has been the establishment of a fairly autonomous Kurdish regional government in northern Iraq. Then, during the ongoing Syrian conflict, Syrian Kurds have also taken the opportunity to carve out their own chunk of territory, effectively managing a Syrian Kurdistan which has been able to protect its borders and largely avoid being drawn into the main fighting.


The only thing they left out was Team Corporate Oil (that would be us)
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