Lawrence O'Donnell on Trump trial evidence: They wrote the conspiracy down on paper - The Last Word - MSNBC

[Rhiannon12866]

MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell describes the evidence the jury reviewed in Donald Trump’s criminal case showing the handwritten conspiracy to reimburse Michael Cohen for paying $130,000 dollars to porn star Stormy Daniels. - Aired on 05/06/2024.

[MontanaMama]

1. Oh my word.

[wnylib]

2. Sounds like the judge was carefully explaining

why it would be necessary to resort to incarceration so that, when Trump tries to use it as an appeal after he is convicted, the judge's decision will hold up.

[Rhiannon12866]

3. Excellent point, and we know that's what TFG does, appeal and delay

[wnylib]

4. For sure. Trump will insist that there was no reason to incarcerate him

other than political persecution. He will claim that incarceration proves bias by the judge and that the judge should be removed from the case. .

I don't know if it's legally possible during a trial to appeal to a higher court for removal of the judge, but if it is possible, Trump will insist on his lawyers doing it. That would dramatize the case further and delay it longer.

Maybe he will try to claim the right to a mistrial declaration because a biased judge incarcerated him.

Guaranteed that if the jury votes to convict him, one of the many appeals that he will use is that the judge was biased and the incarceration during the trial prejudiced the jury against him.

He is so predictable on things like this.

[Rhiannon12866]

5. Agreed, that's all he does. And I wouldn't bet that he won't violate the gag order again

That's what he does, attacks judges, AGs, prosecutors, court staff - and their families! And just today he let loose with a totally unhinged attack on President Biden - who he seems to falsely believe that the president is the one behind his prosecution. Just goes to show that he has no clue how government works and that there are clear separation of powers.

[wnylib]

6. I don't think that Trump believes that Biden is behind

his criminal charges and trials. He knows better. It's all just campaign and grifting rhetoric because he knows that his brain dead supporters will believe what he says.

[Rhiannon12866]

7. I certainly agree, he throws these accusations out there and see if they stick.

And his deluded "supporters" believe whatever nonsense he spews, including that he "won" the 2020 election - though at the time he commissioned investigations and every one concluded he lost badly. I'm listening to Liz Cheney's book and even fellow Republicans (minus Gym Jordan and MTG, of course) begged him to quit his false claims.

[wnylib]

8. I have never believed in the religious Antichrist idea, but if I did, Trump would fit

the bill as pure evil disguising itself as "God's chosen one "

[Rhiannon12866]

9. He keeps coming up with these scams, like "Trump University" and the Bibles is just the recent one

The man has no religion, was never brought up in any Church - he even gassed church staff to make room for his photo-op in front of the church across from the White House holding a Bible upside down. And he certainly had no clue how to behave when he joined former Presidents and First Ladies at George H.W. Bush's funeral, he just kept wandering around. The Bible idea is just another scam he threw out there to see if it sticks.

[murielm99]

10. My late brother

believed very firmly that trump is the antiChrist.

[NJCher]

11. That has occurred to me

Many times.

[wnylib]

12. Belief in an Antichrist is not something that was taught in the church that I grew up in.

It comes from the book of Revelation and we were taught that Revelation was written with coded words that had symbolic meaning for the people of the time it was written, not a prophecy of our future. Modern historians and Biblical scholars can explain the meaning of the symbols for the people of the period when it was written.

So the only thing I ever heard about the Antichrist came from people who were taught in their churches take it literally as the prophecy of a leader who would appear to be God's chosen one. He would gain a large following of faithful believers, but would be evil and lead them into chaos and destruction.

That description fits Trump so well that it could almost make the prophecy believers seem to be right. But it's more likely, IMO, that Trump is just one more sadistic, narcissistic tyrant in a long world history of them.

[murielm99]

13. We were not taught that, either.

And we did not study Revelation much. It was considered complicated and controversial. It was outside the real message of the Gospels and open to too much interpretation by crackpots.

My brother believed what he believed. I listened and did not argue. I am glad he voted and glad that he did not like trump.

[wnylib]

15. Lutheran by any chance? Martin Luther had reservations about

including Revelation in his translation of the Bible.

[murielm99]

16. Yup.

Missouri Synod

[wnylib]

17. Oh my. My family went to a MS church for

a few years when I was a child, mostly because it was the German church that my great aunt went to as a child when her family came to the US from the German Empire. She lived with us after her husband died. When she moved into a nursing home, we joined an LCA church where I was confirmed and, years later, married.

[dweller]

14. Interesting tidbit

Cohen was paid $50k for rigging online polls …

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