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There is a secret to being a supporter of Bernie Sanders... (Original Post) Playinghardball Dec 2015 OP
BINGO! [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #1
K&R TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #2
K&R nt. abakan Dec 2015 #3
K&R nenagh Dec 2015 #4
K & R n/t Oldtimeralso Dec 2015 #5
K&R Paka Dec 2015 #6
Yep. nt antigop Dec 2015 #7
Kick! - n/t fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #8
Indeed-- I feel like Bernie is the only running who really gets this Fast Walker 52 Dec 2015 #9
I think most of them get it, but to fix the problems wouldn't benefit those they A Simple Game Dec 2015 #14
We are all in this foxhole together. chknltl Dec 2015 #10
#YeahButHesNotAGirl FlatBaroque Dec 2015 #11
Right! And imagine if Hillary was a man. sammythecat Dec 2015 #47
Reasoning equivalent in depth and hifiguy Dec 2015 #67
it's a revived vision of democracy--against the backroom deals and whispering campaigns and MisterP Dec 2015 #12
+1 nt navarth Dec 2015 #13
You do understand that the "Democrats=Republicans" meme was created by Republicans, don't you? baldguy Dec 2015 #15
So what about that statement do you disagree with? cui bono Dec 2015 #27
I didn't think it was such a big secret lunatica Dec 2015 #16
To some, apparently it is. eom zalinda Dec 2015 #18
K&R. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #17
Yes can't rec this enough azurnoir Dec 2015 #19
K&R. It's not about Bernie vs Hillary nxylas Dec 2015 #20
"Economic royalism": not an arbitrary choice of words. Beartracks Dec 2015 #22
Though given the courtiers' desire for a coronation... nxylas Dec 2015 #54
Rec 100! Beartracks Dec 2015 #21
Bang! Mic Drop! Done! Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #23
K&R mike dub Dec 2015 #24
K/R grntuscarora Dec 2015 #25
Totally! cui bono Dec 2015 #26
Really Cool Poster... Thespian2 Dec 2015 #39
Yup! cui bono Dec 2015 #40
Excellent Poster - With Respect - This Citizen Plans To Reuse cantbeserious Dec 2015 #45
Please do! It is your duty as a citizen! cui bono Dec 2015 #46
My wife & I went "On Strike" in 2006. bvar22 Dec 2015 #28
Interesting. I would like to hear more! We have our five acres in the country, with chickens & bees peacebird Dec 2015 #30
The latest issue of Mother Earth News says you can Enthusiast Dec 2015 #56
We love Our Mother (Earth News), and have had some photos and text published bvar22 Dec 2015 #74
Thank you for sharing that, bvar22. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #75
Water is a big issue, and will only get bigger. bvar22 Dec 2015 #72
Were going to different schools together. WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2015 #35
omg bvar.... cui bono Dec 2015 #49
Your lifestyle is just so awesome. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #57
My First Primary in Many Years gordyfl Dec 2015 #29
Hillary supporters are convinced the enemy azmom Dec 2015 #31
Me either.... peacebird Dec 2015 #32
The Powers That Be have set up the Republicons to be a great distraction while rhett o rick Dec 2015 #33
Yep. It's play acting designed to confuse those who lack critical thinking skills. GoneFishin Dec 2015 #38
Maybe it is because they really don't see. nt artislife Dec 2015 #43
It's the old divide and conquer routine Tried and true. cui bono Dec 2015 #65
K&R nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #34
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #36
He'll win it because the people need to win it... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #37
Yup. SoapBox Dec 2015 #41
K&R nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #42
Know Thy Enemy - Oligarchs, Corporations, Banks And Their Media Minions And MIC Henchmen cantbeserious Dec 2015 #44
Know Thy Enemy PADemD Dec 2015 #59
This Citizen Considers Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Fascist By Definition cantbeserious Dec 2015 #60
Inspiring interview with Rachel just now flamingdem Dec 2015 #48
I really love this thread. senz Dec 2015 #50
Bernie's ability to be lucid every time he speaks never ceases to utterly amaze me. Stardust Dec 2015 #53
Kick and R BeanMusical Dec 2015 #51
Huge K&R!!! blackspade Dec 2015 #52
K and effing R Scuba Dec 2015 #55
K&R! I'm happy to see this post has hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #58
Me too and one of them is mine. lonestarnot Dec 2015 #61
So well said. senz Dec 2015 #68
Yes. Read this thread before it's too late. Enthusiast Dec 2015 #71
K&R... N_E_1 for Tennis Dec 2015 #62
K&R Some invest in justice for all, some in Wall St. nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #63
Go Bernie Go!! Duval Dec 2015 #64
I hope so nxylas Dec 2015 #66
go bernie! hopemountain Dec 2015 #69
The Corporations are being forced to fight it too thanks to Bernie. And with the help of every sabrina 1 Dec 2015 #70
This is why, I don't think, the top 40% will vote for him, regardless of party. Hiraeth Dec 2015 #73

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
14. I think most of them get it, but to fix the problems wouldn't benefit those they
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

associate with or sit down to eat with.

Better for them just to ignore it and the media goes right along with that script.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
10. We are all in this foxhole together.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 05:46 PM
Dec 2015

I've also been saying for years that we need to stop shooting at each other in that foxhole. A simple search of my posts here at DU on this has rarely gone well. This war is not between supporters of this or that party it instead a war to retake power over our own democracy. If our economic model controls itself it also controls us. In our democracy rhe only thing that controls the citizenry has to be the citizenry. We The People have to be the final arbitor.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
67. Reasoning equivalent in depth and
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:04 PM
Dec 2015

intelligence to the reichwingers' "but, but Jebus!"

Some people's kids.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
12. it's a revived vision of democracy--against the backroom deals and whispering campaigns and
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:20 PM
Dec 2015

vague platitudes and business-first policies and enemies' lists and arm-twisting

and then us peasants get blamed whenever the party that they love after the elections wins an election: people are damned sick of even the political system

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
15. You do understand that the "Democrats=Republicans" meme was created by Republicans, don't you?
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:35 PM
Dec 2015

Specifically to defeat Democrats & having any chance of furthering a progressive agenda.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
20. K&R. It's not about Bernie vs Hillary
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 06:58 PM
Dec 2015

It's about democracy vs oligarchy (or "economic royalism", as FDR called it).

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
22. "Economic royalism": not an arbitrary choice of words.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 07:15 PM
Dec 2015

What's the nutshell version of why America was founded? To get away from royalty running our lives.

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nxylas

(6,440 posts)
54. Though given the courtiers' desire for a coronation...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:40 AM
Dec 2015

...their frustration at the existence of a primary process and their sneering disdain for the "little people", I can't help wondering if the qualifier "economic" is strictly necessary.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
23. Bang! Mic Drop! Done!
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 07:20 PM
Dec 2015

Hillary is in bed with Wall Street - Bernie is not.
Bernie will do everything he can to bring these bastards to heal - Hillary will not.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
40. Yup!
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

I got it from a post here on DU. Love it!

Bernie supporters are so creative and make so many great positive posters about/for him.

.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
46. Please do! It is your duty as a citizen!
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:40 AM
Dec 2015

I got it from a post here on DU. I don't know whose or I would credit them.

.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
28. My wife & I went "On Strike" in 2006.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 07:46 PM
Dec 2015

We sold everything, cashed in everything, paid the penalties,
and bought inexpensive, pristine property where we grow GMO and Toxin free food, keep chickens and Honey Bees. We live as independently and sustainable as possible.
Our goals are a continued yearly reduction of our Carbon Footprint,
PRODUCE more than we CONSUME,
and focus on local humanitarian issues (of which there are many in this area).

We keep one VISA debit/credit card at a locally owned bank.
We participate in a surprisingly well developed cash only Black Market, for goods, salvage, labor, used cars, car repairs, machinery, tools, home building supplies, farm equipment, and anything else you might want if you are willing to look for it and deal with the owner in a pleasant manner.
Wall Street can live or die without our money or our concern.

We've been waiting since 2006 for you to join us in our Nation Wide Strike.
So far, so good. Counting my Wife & I...that makes two so far.
How serious are YOU about bringing this out-of-Control corrupt machine to its knees?
The only reason it exists is that we let it.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
30. Interesting. I would like to hear more! We have our five acres in the country, with chickens & bees
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 08:03 PM
Dec 2015

and are trying to grow more veggies, I would love to heae more about what you are doing!
One thing I am concerned about is water....

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
56. The latest issue of Mother Earth News says you can
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:49 AM
Dec 2015

make a living on 1.5 acres.

Maybe you can focus your energy on rain water collection and recycling.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
74. We love Our Mother (Earth News), and have had some photos and text published
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:21 PM
Dec 2015

a few years ago. I would send the link, but it gives our names and location.
DU is NOT the safe place it once was.

I am fairly sure it is not possible to "make a real living" on 1.5 acres.
That would depend much on where those acres are,
NEVER having a bad year, and owing nothing to the Bank.
We work HARD, own everything outright (no mortgage or payments of any kind) and ends don't always meet.
The last two years have been horrible for growing veggies (drought, heat, false Spring followed by a hard freeze that killed ALL the young fruit, Berry blossoms, and seedlings.)

It is not as "idyllic" as it sounds (my wife says I make it look and sound better than it really is.)
I tend not to photograph or write about the ugly, like the 4 point buck that was gut shot last year and managed to drag himself to our pond to die.

The late Summers are HOT...and boring. So are the long Winter nights.
We sometimes miss the people, crowds, amenities and luxuries of City Life. (We haven't been to a Movie or overnight Road Trip since 2006).
Once you get domestic critters that depend on you, and live close to a National Forest and the many predators, they must be protected 24/7. We generally never leave the cabin and stock unguarded.
One of us is always here.

In general, we learned that:
1)It costs twice as much
2) It takes 3 times as long
3)require 5 times as much manual labor
....to do ANYTHING.


We haven't regretted a single day.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
75. Thank you for sharing that, bvar22.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 06:41 PM
Dec 2015

I love to hear about it. I'm not physically up to that sort of lifestyle now. That doesn't change my enthusiasm for it.

About the closest I ever got was providing the family with venison every single year without fail. Now we visit the grocery store for everything.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
72. Water is a big issue, and will only get bigger.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 08:02 PM
Dec 2015

We had a list of priorities for our property search, and WATER was in the top 3 places.
Without a steady supply of of clean water, it is not worth the time. We didn't want anyone living upstream from us, or uphill from us, so we had to do some looking.

We found inexpensive property in Arkansas with a great spring that runs cold, clear water 24/7 even during the major droughts of last year and 2012 when the Fire Departments were called out to fill people's wells and cattle tanks. We wouldn't be able to survive without that spring....best water ever.

Arkansas is a good state if you are looking for inexpensive property that includes its own source of cold, clear, Ozark Mountain Spring Water. The springs are common here, but not everywhere, so be careful...and find out if the spring is "year round". (If it isn't...its not a "spring&quot



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WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
35. Were going to different schools together.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:14 PM
Dec 2015

Yes, I know who the enemy is and were fighting them together.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
49. omg bvar....
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:52 AM
Dec 2015




Wish I could live as pure a life as you. I guess I should say 'would' instead of 'could'.

.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
29. My First Primary in Many Years
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 07:53 PM
Dec 2015

This will be the first Primary Election I will be voting in since many years ago. If the Primary was Hillary vs MOM, I would wait for the General Election to vote, like I usually do. BTW, I vote almost exclusively Democratic in the General Election, but this Primary means too much to stay home.

Crossing my fingers - Go Bernie!

azmom

(5,208 posts)
31. Hillary supporters are convinced the enemy
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 08:03 PM
Dec 2015

Are the republicans. They ignore the bigger picture, and I can't understand why.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
33. The Powers That Be have set up the Republicons to be a great distraction while
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

they have their loyal Conservative Democrats pick our pockets.

The enemy is the corptocracy.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
65. It's the old divide and conquer routine Tried and true.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:52 PM
Dec 2015

As long as they keep us fighting each other, thinking it really makes a difference, they will keep controlling us and laugh all the way to world domination.

.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
60. This Citizen Considers Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Fascist By Definition
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015

Since all of those entities collude with the government to benefit the 1% At the expense of the 99%.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
50. I really love this thread.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:33 AM
Dec 2015

After spending time in GD-P with some astonishingly cynical Hill fans, reading this is like waking up to reality. Again. Bernie seems to be able to keep his head in that clean, clear place 24/7.

Stardust

(3,894 posts)
53. Bernie's ability to be lucid every time he speaks never ceases to utterly amaze me.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:18 AM
Dec 2015

After watching Trump Terror on MSNBC all evening, Bernie shows up on Rachel's show with his head in that clean, clear place, as you so eloquently put it.

As my neighboor said, How can anyone not love Bernie?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
58. K&R! I'm happy to see this post has hundreds of recommendations!
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:56 AM
Dec 2015

Apparently corporations have yet to recognize the world will not stand idly by as they amass ever greater power to the detriment of us all.

Imagine, the corporations (Wall Street, the MIC) think it is just fine and dandy to usurp our democracy. We didn't give them our permission. They bought the media and the politicians. They used the media to cloud our vision.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
68. So well said.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:08 PM
Dec 2015

I wish the entire country -- or even the world -- could read this simple, sincere little thread.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,767 posts)
62. K&R...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:15 AM
Dec 2015

This secret needs to be exposed to the general mass public.
It is one of my biggest reasons for supporting Bernie.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
66. I hope so
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:40 PM
Dec 2015

It's hard not to be discouraged by the polls, though. What if HRH's courtiers are right and the people really are content to "settle for the lesser of two corporate evils"?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
70. The Corporations are being forced to fight it too thanks to Bernie. And with the help of every
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

other Corporate funded candidate in this race.

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