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Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:21 PM Nov 2015

Bernie explains why we can't trust HRC.

"Given the nature of class politics in America. Given the fact that we have a corrupt campaign finance system," Sanders said. "Given that we have an economy that is rigged. The major point that I am making is that establishment politicians cannot make the kind of changes we need. You can't run a Super PAC and take money from Wall Street and say 'I'm going to take on Wall Street.'"

This is an obvious reference to Clinton's Super PAC war chest and her close ties to Wall Street. Sanders, famously, is the only major candidate refusing to use Super PACs, the fundraising entity that allows unlimited corporate and union money in the wake of Citizens United.


http://www.alternet.org/media/sanders-rips-clintons-wall-st-ties-establishment-politicians-cant-make-changes-we-need-video
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Bernie explains why we can't trust HRC. (Original Post) Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 OP
Throw DWS into the mix Perogie Nov 2015 #1
but, but, I was called an idiot here because HRC's use of a Super Pac is ALREADY ILLEGAL zazen Nov 2015 #2
Preach it. Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #3
Finally! Hillary's major donors, using CU Super-Pacs, is HUGELY problematic for her. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #4
Trust... SoapBox Nov 2015 #5
Never did trust the Clintons and have not voted for one yet. L0oniX Nov 2015 #6
Wish I could have my '92 vote back. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #7
I disliked (putting it mildly) Bill so much back then I almost temporarily became a repuke. L0oniX Nov 2015 #11
This is why the only way HRC can win the primary is with a rigged election by the willvotesdem Nov 2015 #12
You nailed it MissDeeds Nov 2015 #16
K & R for the truth Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #8
Exactly! onecaliberal Nov 2015 #9
This blatant conflict of interest is very easy to understand and explain... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #10
Not just a K&R Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2015 #13
Spot-on, again. AzDar Nov 2015 #14
That's easy -- she has a problem with the truth. (IMO, of couse.) n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #15
She likes to validate herself Plucketeer Nov 2015 #18
K&R n/t MissDeeds Nov 2015 #17
Talk is cheap smknz Nov 2015 #19
Although, to be fair, he didn't use those words eridani Nov 2015 #20

zazen

(2,978 posts)
2. but, but, I was called an idiot here because HRC's use of a Super Pac is ALREADY ILLEGAL
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:28 PM
Nov 2015

You know, when I said, we need to begin calling her back out on her use of Super PAC money immediately, to put her on the defensive, and to constantly demand that she pledge not to allow any to be used on her behalf DURING THE PRIMARY . . . I was told that it's already illegal for them to use Super PACS so calling her out on this was pointless.

Admiral Loinpresser

(3,859 posts)
3. Preach it.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:32 PM
Nov 2015

We need to get the stench of corruption out of American politics, or at least reduce it to historical levels.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. Finally! Hillary's major donors, using CU Super-Pacs, is HUGELY problematic for her.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 01:43 PM
Nov 2015

It's about time Team Bernie starts spelling this out for voters, plain & simple, then let
well-informed voters decide if they find Hillary's "get tough on Wall St./MIC" rhetoric
believable or not; especially when there's a candidate named Bernie Sanders who has
so far refused to take super-pac $$ and instead raises nearly as much as Hillary from
voters who are fed-up with our corrupt political system and know he's the only one
who is believable on this issue.

 

willvotesdem

(75 posts)
12. This is why the only way HRC can win the primary is with a rigged election by the
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:47 PM
Nov 2015

super delegates, too big to fail banks, corporate republican scum and the MSM. She cannot win the general.

Believe the polls? Look at KY gov race Dem was 5 points ahead in the polls and they now have a repug gov-elect.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
10. This blatant conflict of interest is very easy to understand and explain...
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:27 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie needs to keep preaching it.

People are fed up with the blatant cronyism and Hillary is neck deep in it.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
18. She likes to validate herself
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:24 PM
Nov 2015

by saying that Obama trusted her judgement enough to appoint her SOS. Whoopee. After Obama deceived us with his campaign BS, his trusting her wasn't any comfort for me! If she's elected, we'll get the same damned sort of shafting we got from Barack.

 

smknz

(30 posts)
19. Talk is cheap
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:34 PM
Nov 2015

I, to this day am bewildered by those who claim they are progressive or for that matter a democrat while supporting Hillary Clinton's presidential ambitions. Hillary by her actions, not words is clearly a Republican.

The fact that many of the republican candidates are clearly reactionaries bordering on fascistic doesn't negate this.

Also the electability issue doesn't stand up to scrutiny. As mentioned in the article, at the end of the day, if a candidate is getting funded by corporations they will be dictated to by these same corporations.

Hillary is receiving money from the same crony capitalists as the republicans and as a result, her policies will be similar once in office. All people do by voting in these candidates is further erode any confidence, if there is indeed any, in the democratic process which further enables republicans.

So it doesn't matter what the candidates say on either side of the political divide. At the end of the day they will all follow in lockstep what their corporate masters dictate. So don't allow the crazy talk on the republican side to scare you into voting in Hillary as an electable lesser evil.

America today is clearly a oligarchy, not a democracy and this perpetual exercise of putting in a Democrat corporate lackey followed by a republican corporate lackey is a democratic facade on a dictatorship and is only cementing our fate.

Getting Bernie elected is only a start but it's a critical one if there is any hope of freeing ourselves from these sociopaths. If he does get elected and at the end of his term the status quo pervades, then at least we will have proven to ourselves beyond all reasonable doubt that America is in fact a dictatorship and it will be time for hopefully a peaceful revolution and that can only be done in the streets, not in the ballot box.

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