Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumWTF This is the worst smear I've read so far!
And from TIME magazine?!
They need to be corrected, NOW.
http://time.com/3996001/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter/
The headline is "Bernie Sanders Is Wrong To Ignore Black Lives Matter"
Are you fucking KIDDING ME? I'm literally seething right now. This is the most blatant dismissal of facts I have ever read from a major publication.
It claims he didn't pass them the microphone when they wanted it.
It claims that his campaign came up with a slogan to "shout down" and oppress any more interruptions, saying that it is "The worst idea in the campaigns short life."
"If a million microphones have to be torn from a million rich, white politicians in a rude fashion to get that message heard, then I support that 100%."
It's implying that he's a "Rich" white politician? Of all the US senators, he has the lowest net worth. This is the most biased fucking thing I've read... What the hell.
Where do I write to get this corrected or taken down?
After reading the article, you can see they were just trying to say that the BLM protesters have a right to do what they did, I agree, sure, but the rest of this article is an extremely dirty lens directed at Bernie. It's bullshit.
EDIT: I'm writing a counter point to the article, since it's an opinion piece published by another person, I'm allowed to do the same.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,011 posts)The byline for the article identifies the author as someone who "writes about parenting." I can't imagine why this writer was assigned to write the author at all.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)but the headline alone pops up in news.google.com when searching Bernie Sanders....
It's a really ugly headline. And some people get their news by those alone. D:
senz
(11,945 posts)The rally was for social security/medicare and the microphone was controlled by the white-haired man who was heading it up, not Bernie.
eridani
(51,907 posts)A young woman from Washington Community Action Network was also on stage--they decided to hand over the mic, and Sanders went along with their decision.
senz
(11,945 posts)Makes me sick that they're "blaming" it on Bernie. Plus, I wonder if those disrupters even knew what they were disrupting?
HFRN
(1,469 posts)learn something new every day
senz
(11,945 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)repeated over and over again.
senz
(11,945 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)I haven't seen an issue in years.
jalan48
(13,916 posts)It was stomach turning and I thought, would Bernie Sanders ever agree to be in a photo shoot with Bush. No way!
Sorry, this is off topic but I just wanted to illustrate what I see Time Magazine to be.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)jalan48
(13,916 posts)Posing with a war criminal? We're just supposed to pretend it's all ok now because the two are buddies?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)and post it in the sig line.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Another reason I won't be voting for Hillary
senz
(11,945 posts)I remember TV footage of the Clintons attending a party (birthday party? not sure) a couple of years ago for Bush Sr. Bill was quite prominent in the celebration, but Hillary was trying to be invisible (turning her back, stepping away) whenever the camera panned her way. She knew, of course, that the image wouldn't look to good to Dem primary voters.
merrily
(45,251 posts)But, speaking of being in the same photo, look at Carter, practically leaning away from Bubba. Then look at Carter's impish smile.
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bvar22
(39,909 posts)except the guy on the far right.
The only honest face in the crowd.
The rest look like barkers for a carnival side show.
Roy Rolling
(6,947 posts)He has no dog in the fight. He did it all for the good of the country and you and me. Some have talked the talk, he walked the walk. (And still does)
merrily
(45,251 posts)He's focused on his father, almost as though he's looking for approval and his father is detached. That photo seems to tell so many stories, doesn't it?
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)It is sad to see Hillary supporters so gleefully wallow in the filthy lies.
senz
(11,945 posts)they're accustomed to that kind of wallowing.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)We see it right here too. Facts and honesty don't matter.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Calling it for what it is, total BS
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I couldn't get the comments to load.
azmom
(5,208 posts)They were all calling BS. All of them.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)We're seeing the tip of the iceberg.
And while we can't always change the willful ignorance of the impotent MSM...it's a whole new world with social media. That is huge this time around.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Be prepared for a lot more of this because Bernie is a threat to oligarchy. And they have plenty of money to spend to make it so.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)it is not good enough for toilet tissue. Too glossy for a start.
HappyPlace
(568 posts)It's pretty sickening, a rich white journalist pretending to speak for the poor.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/08/this-is-what-happened-when-i-drove-my-mercedes-to-pick-up-food-stamps/
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)it's clear that this is an orchestrated smear campaign against Sanders. Again and again, he does what they demand - and then they completely overlook his attempts to connect with them and invent some new reason why he isn't good enough.
They don't want him to meet their expectations, because that will ruin their 15 minutes of fame.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)They just dial up the terrorism.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)historylovr
(1,557 posts)except for the motive. I think it has more to do with defeating him than promoting themselves. And for that reason, I suspect some other interest/campaign (repub? other?) has a hand in it.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)We saw it on DU just after he announced... all the 'concern' from "Sanders supporters" about his policy being only for white males. And now, after the BLM kerfuffles, DUers are actually saying it would be scary to be a couple of black women standing together at a Sanders rally and calling his supporters white supremacists.
And one of them calls any PoC who disagrees with him "outliers" and the other claimed to be a Bernie supporter. Why they want to smear someone who champions their cause is beyond me.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)This is a fight against the very centers of those who own and run the world. They will tell any lie, advance any falsehood and engage in any act of deceit to silence those who might threaten their grip on power.
On a brighter note the whole strategy against Bernie is that he is a raving socialist. It's not going to be easy to portray him as a right-wing, reactionary white supremest. This kind of rat-fucking is very likely to backfire.
senz
(11,945 posts)Schmice2
(20 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)You said you wanted to know how to take it down??
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)"Sanders should have given the microphone willingly to Black Lives Matter protestors without a script
and without pushing forward his own political agenda."
senz
(11,945 posts)There is SO MUCH FALSEHOOD in this whole thing. They can't be allowed to get away with it.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)suddenly makes one's actions and words immune to criticism.
Anyone can use #BlackLivesMatter. There is no guarantee they will use it for good purposes, or in good faith.
arithia
(455 posts)"It's implying that he's a "Rich" white politician?"
He *IS* a rich, white politician. Sanders has a reported Net Worth of $330,507, which puts him roughly $4k shy of the 70th percentile (greater net worth than 70% of ppl that age).
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/31/motley-fool-net-worth-age/22415229/
Calling him rich (or white) isn't an insult. It's fact. The man has more to his name than the vast majority of Americans- just because he isn't a billionaire doesn't change that fact. Comparing him to other politicians doesn't change that fact, either. It's false equivalency.
There is also the simple fact that belonging to the intersection of those two demographics affords people socioeconomic advantages that aren't shared by those outside of that group.
Being male doesn't hurt either.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)but he still has the lowest net worth of all other senators.
the man flys coach.
takes no money from wall st.
so, to call him a rich white male like all the others is still an unfair simplification of his character.
senz
(11,945 posts)Only his book was merely a transcript of his 8 1/2 hr. filibuster.
Bernie doesn't seek money. Nor does he seek power.
Bernie wants this: to start a political revolution in favor of the poor, the excluded, the working class.
We (including you) are lucky to have him here and now, defending our rights and our lives.
Give thanks and join the campaign, arithia.
I'm not commenting on who he is as a person. There are lots of great people who earned their money through hard work and ethical behavior. That doesn't change the fact that they have that money.
"Give thanks and join the campaign, arithia."
Do I need to post a picture of my "Bernie For the Future" shirt that I've been rocking for months now? (You can find em at Wonkette.com, incidentally.) Must I really resort to tribalism as a defense against this kind of response to reasonable commentary? :/
cui bono
(19,926 posts)He's not rich by any means compared to his colleagues. JFC what the hell is going on in this world? People have lost their shit over Sanders running for president. Now he's too rich, a month ago he wasn't rich enough.
What else are you going to come up with next?
arithia
(455 posts)so please don't treat it like one.
I stated simple facts about Sanders wealth when compared to the rest of America- comparing him to other politicians net worth does not alter Sanders net worth. These facts are based on national income and net wealth statistics. They do not imply anything about Sanders as a person beyond the facts of what his net wealth IS. I simply pointed out that the OP made a fallacious argument.
I "came up with" nothing, so I'm not quite sure what you are attempting to attribute to me. In the future, I would greatly appreciate it if people would address what I as a person actually say and not go off on assumptive tangents about how I've "lost my shit". (Or am I wrong in assuming that is your implication?)
Yeeeesh!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The things that are being said about Sanders on here are just so ridiculous and lately, downright nasty, and a few weeks ago there really were people saying he wasn't rich enough to run, that when I read your post I overreacted.
I'm sorry.
I do think though, that that is an unfair comparison as most politicians are way more wealthy than Sanders is and the comparison should be to them, his colleagues, not to the lay people.
Aye, a lot of people seem to be in knee-jerk reaction mode right now and it makes me kinda sad. :/ I try not to take personal offense to it, but in the long run this kinda thing kills reasonable discussion and *WILL* result in a loss of votes for the candidate.
I really do appreciate your apology. <3
I hear what you are saying about comparison to other politicians. I really do. I just can't agree in this specific example. Politicians are citizens, subject to the same tax code as the rest of us. Wealth is a variable on a tax return, politician vs civilian is not. While people have varying ideas about what constitutes "wealthy" in our society, we still have objective, accurate statistics about average net worth of all Americans. Saying that he's not objectively wealthy because he isn't as loaded as other politicians amounts to moving the goalposts away from the standard metric of how we judge wealth as a society.
He can be a rich dude and still be an awesome person. The fact that he hasn't been spoiled by his privilege says more about him as a person and candidate than anything else.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)so much more wealthy than him I think it skews reality to call him rich because he is being compared to average citizens.
I do agree that he's an awesome person!
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Those purple bandaids mocking John Kerry's military honors were so far out of line and disrespectful that it still infuriates me. This was coming from the chicken hawk Repugs, always ready for war, with John McCain their only asset. But wait! Didn't their new bully boy, Tom Cotton actually serve in the military? Wow, that makes him one up on the delightful Ted Cruz.
senz
(11,945 posts)Once you accept that fact, it makes Republicans much easier to understand.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)quite a long time now.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)PatrickforO
(14,605 posts)The last issue of Time I actually read was maybe 6 years ago...
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Click bait is where it's at for online journalism. Even print journalism uses sensationalist covers/front pages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlena_Cunha
Darlena Cunha is an American journalist and writer.[1][2][3]
Cunha has written for The Washington Post,[4] The Atlantic,[5] The Huffington Post[6] and Time.[7]
Controversy
Cunha became the subject of controversy for a Time magazine article about the 2014 Ferguson unrest entitled "Ferguson: In Defense of Rioting."[7] Cunha was criticized by Fox News for writing that riots are "a necessary part of the evolution of society."[8]
Cunha stated in the Time article that "Blacks in this country are more apt to riot because they are one of the populations here who still need to. In the case of the 1992 riots, 30 years of black people trying to talk about their struggles of racial profiling and muted, but still vastly unfair, treatment, came to a boil. Sometimes, enough is simply too much. And after that catalyst event, the landscape of southern California changed, and nationally, police forces took note."[7
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Darlena Cunha ?@parentwin 16h16 hours ago
Oh, one more. I absolutely stand behind the writing in the piece. Will look into omissions and see what can do, but stand by points made.
Darlena Cunha ?@parentwin 16h16 hours ago
And finally, only bothering to clarify bc I like Bernie and his supporters, unlike the conservatives who think I live on white male tears.
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Darlena Cunha ?@parentwin 16h16 hours ago
I also don't title pieces and title is not quite indicative of content within piece.
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Darlena Cunha ?@parentwin 16h16 hours ago
Don't usually tweet about my articles, but piece was geared to explaining why blm should be able to so this, and why bs is the best for it.
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Darlena Cunha ?@parentwin 18h18 hours ago
Bernie Sanders is wrong to ignore 'Black Lives Matter' http://ti.me/1J2XaNJ via @TIMEIdeas
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One of her latest says "Good. I am glad for this." in regards "#Bernie Attracts Another Massive Crowd: Corp Media Has Lost Control of This Election http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/bernie-attracts-another-massive-crowd-corp-media-has-lost-control-of-this-election/ #FeelTheBern #BernieBrigade" https://twitter.com/danahaswell/status/632204477131550720?lang=en
Babel_17
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Darlena Cunha ?@parentwin 60m60 minutes ago
@danahaswell poor writing on my part. That was push of piece. That blm should not be chastised & that moves to address must not stop short.
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Dana Corbin ?@danahaswell 25m25 minutes ago
@parentwin I agree with most of it. Not the part where Bernie is supposed to give up his mic whenever someone wants it. Peace.
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senz
(11,945 posts)a couple of days ago. But Salon's commenters did a good job of setting the record straight.
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/12/what_bernie_sanders_fans_miss_about_black_lives_matter_white_supremacy_is_bigger_than_economics/
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I'm glad any falsehoods are getting repudiated. At the same time I think it good to maintain a level of dismissal and disdain to this stuff. We don't want to run the risk of playing the part of the fool who argues with a drunk.
The kind of people behind this stuff sober up/move on to greener pastures. The silver lining to all this as that the Sanders campaign has been ritually bloodied, and endured that with flying colors, in this show of getting to know you.
Yeah, it was pretty extreme, but to be frank this also means that other campaigns that get the same treatment won't be able to claim that they're the victims of special circumstances. Sanders hasn't been treated as some kind of pet of/by the liberal media. Producing crap articles is just part of feeding the maw of an industry with an insatiable appetite for crap that distracts the attention of its jaded customers.
So we need to see staying above this, while dealing with it, as part of the SOP for the Sanders campaign as it moves on to winning the Democratic primaries, and then being victorious in the general election.
senz
(11,945 posts)Now I see that you've done a fine job of examining the author of the Time piece. Thank you!
senz
(11,945 posts)The author's name is Darlena Cunha. Either she's been mislead or she's a disreputable hack.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Hopefully they'll publish it. But my hopes are high. I posted the counter point here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128037447
senz
(11,945 posts)Thanks for writing it.
One thing we need to keep in mind about the Seattle disruption is that this was not a Bernie rally, nor was he giving his stump speech. This was a medicare/social security rally and Bernie was merely an invited speaker. Thus he had no control over events and no real say in how to handle it. He was there to talk about social security & medicare.
So the two screechy, rude interrupters were not disrupting a Bernie rally.
It's too bad the whole thing has been mischaracterized.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)And honestly, I think everything will be fine.
It's so early in the campaign that the majority of America is either not paying attention, or they're watching Trump and Hillary do dance routines.
Bernie is starting to show up in the spotlight though. And as long as the people stay skeptical of the MSM, Bernie will continue to rise.
senz
(11,945 posts)But we'll have to keep correcting the record from now 'til the primary -- and the GE!
retrowire
(10,345 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)Funny "timing" there, on the part of the Luce-founded cage-liner....
senz
(11,945 posts)One of many volunteer opportunities at my local Bernie for president group is writing letters to the editor. In a media age, that's not insignificant. Commenting in the media on pro and anti-Bernie pieces is a great thing to do. That means taking all this DU brilliance "out into the world." Which I'm sure many are already doing..
I also think we need to make lying journalists feel some (polite, of course) heat.
senz
(11,945 posts)earlier in her life. She, of all people, should be a Bernie supporter.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/08/this-is-what-happened-when-i-drove-my-mercedes-to-pick-up-food-stamps/
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Always deceiving, always manipulating for the plutocrats. They're famous for having a different cover photo for America than for their publications in other countries.
Just Google Time magazine,different covers for more examples
I remember when they used to be a good news magazine. Those days are long gone.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)enhanced Bernie's popularity and who reads Time or any of the Corporate Media publications anymore? If they did, Bernie would not be soaring the way he is, or maybe he would. After the lies they all told that led us into a disastrous, never-ending war, wars to be precise, they lost all credibility. Just attach the word 'lie' to anything like this and move on to all the good news there is about Bernie.
The Corporate media is irrelevant.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)White people (like the author of this piece - I looked her up) lecturing other white people about BlackLivesMatter, as if they fully understand the black experience, implying that all the rest of us, if we're Bernie supporters, are somehow racist. Where do they get off? I'm interested to hear the outlook of African-Americans or other minorities on this subject, and from what I've seen, they run the gamut (black voters aren't monolithic), but white people blacksplaining just doesn't cut it with me. Talk about what you know.