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riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:27 PM Mar 2016

I'm deeply immersed in volunteering for Bernie and had 2 bad incidents in 24 hours

1. A partially burned Bernie sign was left at the Batavia IL campaign office (yes police were called) yesterday morning.

2. Today while canvassing (ugh in the rain), I knocked on a door and waited a bit and finally turned away. As I'm on the way down the front stoop stairs, the guy I'm ostensibly looking for opens the door in his pajamas but wearing a fucking gun strapped in a waist belt holster. He's raging that he was at the Chicago Trump rally and Bernie had directed and organized his supporters to shut down Trumps 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!

He was @ 8 inches from my face, very angry. Kept blaming Bernie and how Trump had "proven" it was the Sanders campaign behind it all....

Things are getting very ugly out there folks. I'm sure his delay in opening the door was to grab his gun to intimidate me as he had a glass front door and I was wearing a hat festooned with a Sanders pin and several pins on my jacket. I was clearly visible and labelled from a distance which was my purpose. I just kept saying I was sorry as I backed down his steps but it obviously wasn't enough.

Be careful out there folks. It's getting very weird



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I'm deeply immersed in volunteering for Bernie and had 2 bad incidents in 24 hours (Original Post) riderinthestorm Mar 2016 OP
This makes me sick. Please be careful and stay safe. nt JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #1
In the recent past I've worked for Tammy Duckworth and Barack Obama riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #4
Trumps' demographics sounds like. :( JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #7
Don't fall into that trap ... Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #91
Very true. JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #102
his demographics are people who listen to rw talk radio. certainot Mar 2016 #108
Demographics ? Should be Neo-Nazigraphics ? Joe Chi Minh Mar 2016 #112
Ditto! Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #44
Please stay safe !!!!!!!!! SamKnause Mar 2016 #2
I was so flustered I dropped my info brochures all over his stoop dammit riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #8
Sadly it is going to be this way up until and through election day. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #3
like most things republican, his power comes from 1200 ignored radio stations certainot Mar 2016 #109
Bless your heart MissDeeds Mar 2016 #5
The last week here in IL, it's been intensive canvassing riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #12
Holy shit! Howler Mar 2016 #6
Please never go alone! tazkcmo Mar 2016 #9
I'll second this, rider! enlightenment Mar 2016 #10
No one else to go with riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #17
Damn. You friggin' rock. Keep up the incredible work, but stay safe. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #43
Maybe you should avoid any of the "R's" on yr list? truedelphi Mar 2016 #97
Then don't go. Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #119
Definitely...... daleanime Mar 2016 #33
Why is the gun necessary when you're being visited by a canvasser? retrowire Mar 2016 #11
You haven't noticed? Guns are necessary all the time to some people. LiberalElite Mar 2016 #13
In truth Trumpsters will probably shoot many canvassers this year. Doctor_J Mar 2016 #15
Unfortunately, it *has*, inexorably, been building to all this since the 80's.... villager Mar 2016 #52
I wonder if Donald will pay for the legal fees like he said Doitnow Mar 2016 #56
No. He's a liar. WhiteTara Mar 2016 #83
The worst of them are insecure, paranoid, emotional children and violent Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #32
Because ideas are threatening? winter is coming Mar 2016 #55
What tazkcmo said, Kalidurga Mar 2016 #14
I read it on this forum, that calling the police as well as the press is the thing to do.. Gregorian Mar 2016 #16
What laws were broken? bvar22 Mar 2016 #99
I just think it's really a sad state of affairs that we have Duckfan Mar 2016 #18
Big hugs from here in NYC... intersectionality Mar 2016 #19
oh my god renate Mar 2016 #20
I admit, I still had @ 15 names to go and thought @ quitting right then riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #23
Thank you for letting us know. Duval Mar 2016 #21
Always thought zentrum Mar 2016 #22
Someone will be killed . . . OldRedneck Mar 2016 #24
He needed to put on his gun. bernbabe Mar 2016 #25
I'd already marked him "NH", "not home", and turned to leave riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #28
You should go out in pairs. roody Mar 2016 #26
Thanks for telling us your experience azretired Mar 2016 #27
Welcome to DU! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #47
Trump is an evil piece of shit... gregcrawford Mar 2016 #29
Thrump is an invention of our own making nolabels Mar 2016 #35
Please clarify your point. gregcrawford Mar 2016 #100
To understand the whole concept of what is going on and how we got here one must first observe. nolabels Mar 2016 #113
Proves my point: I've said it in other posts here today Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #30
No. I heard it first inside my very own head. Very, very scary. agracie Mar 2016 #38
Sanders DIDN'T say that! It was a fake Sanders post. Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #57
do stay safe! ellennelle Mar 2016 #31
I would say tavernier Mar 2016 #34
Oh my word!! a la izquierda Mar 2016 #36
When I volunteered for Obama, we met at local campaign headquarters and paired up. agracie Mar 2016 #37
Yep, that's exactly true in the past. Bernie's primary campaign tho is in the final stage in IL riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #41
Mistake Wibly Mar 2016 #49
I'm done no matter what riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #54
wow, rider NJCher Mar 2016 #39
Sorry to hear warrprayer Mar 2016 #40
thank you and yes go out in pairs dembotoz Mar 2016 #42
Thank you for your great work for Bernie - Please Stay Safe and Only Go With Another Person Impedimentus Mar 2016 #45
Please - if you cannot find someone to go with you, switch to phone banking. Please! jillan Mar 2016 #46
SO glad you made it back safe, if shaken. Canvasing for Obama in 2008 in NH we had FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #48
Wheaton, Batavia, Glen Ellyn, etc. annie48 Mar 2016 #50
I grew up in GE. Spent 25 years professionally in Wheaton riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #58
Yes I know Amy annie48 Mar 2016 #59
I'm going to PM you riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #60
I moved a couple years ago into DuPage Paulie Mar 2016 #107
I'm sorry you had to go through this. Nickel79 Mar 2016 #51
some Trump supporters are rabid dogs. stage left Mar 2016 #53
Thank you for your critically important work! I'm so proud of you... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #61
So sorry this happened to you :( on the bright side Kittycat Mar 2016 #62
Yes, John is running that office. Even he was out canvassing yesterday riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #73
I received a second call today. :) Kittycat Mar 2016 #90
Eek!!! Oh my dana_b Mar 2016 #63
You were clearly a physical threat, so he surely had to get his gun. Hissyspit Mar 2016 #64
Thank you for your bravery. A dog bit a lady I was canvassing with yesterday YourAMIGO Mar 2016 #65
Thank you for your work on this... rosesaylavee Mar 2016 #66
Very scary indeed dorkzilla Mar 2016 #67
glad you are okay. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #68
Hm... seems that Clinton is no longer the only candidate with desperate followers Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #69
No Bernie supporters should be demonstrating at any other candidate's rally in my JDPriestly Mar 2016 #70
Sucks that you had to experience that, and I'm glad you're OK. bvf Mar 2016 #71
Back in 2010... davidthegnome Mar 2016 #72
Wow, no such drama in Aurora, IL... modestybl Mar 2016 #74
Ikr?! I'd been in Aurora the two days previously riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #82
All afternoon canvassing in Aurora... modestybl Mar 2016 #117
UPDATE!!! Bernie himself just called me!!! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #75
FANTASTIC Dr. Xavier Mar 2016 #78
COOL!!!!! blm Mar 2016 #81
Wow! How awesome! Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #89
Whoa. Cool! progressoid Mar 2016 #92
WOW! dpatbrown Mar 2016 #96
OH. MY. GOD! Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #120
Please be careful and have you thought of Dr. Xavier Mar 2016 #76
Thank you for your volunteer work Matariki Mar 2016 #77
So sorry this happened to you. It was never this way in the past. blm Mar 2016 #79
it was the Sanders campaign behind it all.... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #80
Scary! Stay safe, everyone! Svafa Mar 2016 #84
Bring food! riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #85
Good idea! Svafa Mar 2016 #86
So scary! GreenPartyVoter Mar 2016 #87
the shit is getting real Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #88
Ugh, how horrible! I'm so glad you're okay. MerryBlooms Mar 2016 #93
I feel like we're at the start of WW2 and the brown shirts are rioting, lark Mar 2016 #94
Since hearing Trump blaming Bernie for the disruptors, I've been wanting to post this. ieoeja Mar 2016 #95
These people believe Trump is going to give them their long awaited "Go" order to kill Liberals. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #98
Be safe. We had an Obama sign shot at... peace13 Mar 2016 #101
be safe . seriouslly, this guy is going to get someone killed. allan01 Mar 2016 #103
People (including Trump) cannabis_flower Mar 2016 #104
Sorry you had to go through this!!!! Most of my canvassing experiences here in Kansas City or...... LongTomH Mar 2016 #105
Damn, and I was afraid to canvas because someone might answer the valerief Mar 2016 #106
Stay safe, riderinthestorm! Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #110
The Ruling Class does not want Sanders. They want Clinton or a Republican. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #111
Yup. Had to laugh at your jackassradicals sig. I'm riderintheshitstorm there riderinthestorm Mar 2016 #114
It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. They have to have an alternate site rhett o rick Mar 2016 #115
You really did "ride in a storm" with that guy Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #116
I work for the Census Bureau and have to knock on doors for a living. Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #118
 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
4. In the recent past I've worked for Tammy Duckworth and Barack Obama
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

On their campaigns, in deeply red Wheaton IL - a Republican stronghold of national importance.

This was a first.

It was a lovely area of Batavia as well.

White older guy, my sheet said he was 62 fyi.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
91. Don't fall into that trap ...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

... there are supporters of all ages on all sides ...

... Bernie's are Americans of all ages ...

... tRump's are Goons of all ages ...

... now THAT'S what you call your demographics ...

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
108. his demographics are people who listen to rw talk radio.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

today limbaugh used most of his show to attack the protestors- they were paid goons from bernie, hillary, the left, OWS. BLM, obama, move-on etc

rw radio is full of it and will continue

the absurd thing is that the university of illinois supports 7 limbaugh stations- if the uni of illinois was protested to look for apolitical alts those stations would lose major advertising- even discussing it would send advertisers fleeing.

and even more absurd is that 260 limbaugh stations depend on 90 major unis for advertising draw the same way.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
8. I was so flustered I dropped my info brochures all over his stoop dammit
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

He's raging as I'm trying to retrieve a half dozen brochures stuck on his rain soaked steps. I'd put them in a ziplock bag but hadn't sealed it as I was distributing them. Damn things took my herky jerky movements and decided to depart their baggie (wry laugh).

All's I could think was there was no way in hell I could leave them there but what if he worked himself into such a rage to shoot me while I took those few seconds to grab them.



PatrickforO

(14,608 posts)
3. Sadly it is going to be this way up until and through election day.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:33 PM
Mar 2016

Trump's movement is basically a white supremacist neo-Nazi movement. These are the same people who drove gun manufacturer stocks way up in both 09 and 13 because hey, Obama's gonna take your guns. So they are basically low class, low educated, heavily armed white male thugs and they will get more and more violent as the Trump attracts more followers.

He's turning his evil eye on Bernie because he correctly sees that the battle for America will be fought by the left anti-establishment against the right anti-establishment.

It's gonna get worse.

If the left wins, we have a good chance at recreating a strong middle class and ushering in an era of peace and prosperity.

If the right wins, the oligarchs will try and control them, but we'll have war and it will cost millions of lives to stamp them out. Just as it did Hitler and his original Third Reich. Trump is the Fourth Reich, guys. Make no mistake.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
109. like most things republican, his power comes from 1200 ignored radio stations
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

that is the only advantage they have and it is an advantage because the left ignores it

and 260 limbaugh stations, many of the loudest in the country, depend heavily on 90 major universities for advertising dollars- ain't that amazing

without talk radio getting a free speech free ride from the left trump's got nothing

so before the fourth reich, maybe the left should try something different, go on the offensive first, protest just about everything at those universities, and destroy the fascist invisible 2x4 that's been kicking left ass for 25 years.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
5. Bless your heart
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:41 AM - Edit history (1)

Thanks for volunteering for Bernie...I am so sorry you had to endure that. My husband and I have been phone banking for Bernie in Missouri and the response has been very good; but of course we're given a list of likely Democratic voters.

Maybe you should ask your coordinator if you could switch to phone banking...?

Take care and be safe. This election cycle is bizarre, to say the least.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
12. The last week here in IL, it's been intensive canvassing
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

Ive been phone banking as well but now, the campaign needs face time in the community.

I'm not a shy willow and while initially very intimidated, Im not backing down.

Thanks though!

Howler

(4,225 posts)
6. Holy shit!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

Please stay safe Riderinthestorm. And thank you for busting your butt for all of us. I appreciate you and what you do.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
10. I'll second this, rider!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

There are too many whackadoodles out there for you to go 'cold calling' solo. Please.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
17. No one else to go with
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

whats interesting is I've mostly been assigned East Aurora IL, deeply Hispanic and with some real gang activity, because I'm fairly Spanish conversant. This was my first time in a Republican area in Kane Co.

We've had incredible weather in N IL for the past week and I've happily headed into the "danger" Aurora zones where everyone's on their front stoop, hanging in back yards drinking and having a blast - it's been Incredible in those areas. Lots of tequila. laughs and fun. I accost anyone playing outside, working on cars, getting a jump start on gardening, it's just been fun.

Today though was crazy.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
97. Maybe you should avoid any of the "R's" on yr list?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

And thank you for what you are doing; it is so needed.

But if you have a list that tells you the political party designation, maybe just call up the "R"s on the phone, rather than knocking on their door.

Moderate Republicans are not gonna be unhappy with you, if you phone them. For instance, my RW nutjob of a neighbor voted enthusiastically for Obama in 2008. And people are just as unhappy abt politics now as then. So you will find a lot of nice Republicans - it is the fringe that supports Trump that is the problem.

On edit: And the Far RW radio talking heads are all over the new meme that the Left is depriving poor lil Trumpy Wumpy of his First Amendment Rights. "And why are folks on the Left so hatefully distorting Truth and calling us fascists," these Talking Heads say. (Of course, often we on the Left are not called "folks," we're called depraved idiots and worse.)

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
119. Then don't go.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 01:09 AM
Mar 2016

Seriously, we NEVER send out just one person. At minimum we send out two or a complete team to canvass one area. Trust me, I know of what I speak. These people a nuckin' futz.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
13. You haven't noticed? Guns are necessary all the time to some people.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:52 PM
Mar 2016

But that's another thread altogether.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
15. In truth Trumpsters will probably shoot many canvassers this year.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

They can invoke SYG and if there is one Trumper in the jury or the DA's office,...

OTOH this has been swelling since Limpballs took over the airwaves 24 years ago, so it might be time to have it out.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
52. Unfortunately, it *has*, inexorably, been building to all this since the 80's....
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

Stay safe, Rider.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
32. The worst of them are insecure, paranoid, emotional children and violent
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

ANd you need to act towards them that way.

The best of them are insecure, paranoid, emotional children and just act out with volume and attitude.

Sadly I am not kidding. Flame me for it if you want

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
55. Because ideas are threatening?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

Because you're more likely to be arrested for flaunting your meat dick than a metal one?

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
16. I read it on this forum, that calling the police as well as the press is the thing to do..
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:59 PM
Mar 2016

I don't know if that's for all situations, but it sounds good to me.

God how frightening. You must be rather timid right about now. It is very discouraging to see the ignorance and anger coming at you.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
99. What laws were broken?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:21 PM
Mar 2016

If some idiot wants to strap on a gun in his own home while wearing pajamas....

The best thing to do is apologize for disturbing him, and leave the area as fast as possible.
However, the Media might be interested, but probably not.
I would have left the rain soaked Bernie Brochures where they had fallen.

KUDOS to you, riderinthestorm, for working the trenches.

I live in a very RED, rural area of The South, and I just assume that every car & truck driver has a gun close at hand, and every front door has a loaded shotgun behind the door.

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
18. I just think it's really a sad state of affairs that we have
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

such unintelligent morans with little or no education like this dude. Clearly so ignorant he had to have his gun with him at the door to make him feel good.

The good news is the next generation coming up now will be more educated and aware than this dim bulb. Must only get his info from Cluster Faux while having a few brewski's.

intersectionality

(106 posts)
19. Big hugs from here in NYC...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

I canvassed for candidates over the years who are very anti-gun and only managed to knock on one gun nut's door. He must have registered Dem to vote opposition because he sure as hell attempted to intimidate me. And this was in the East Village in NYC. Lots of aggressiveness, too - very similar demographic to what you described.

Stay safe!

renate

(13,776 posts)
20. oh my god
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

I'm so sorry that happened--that must have been absolutely terrifying. I'd have had to go home to change my pants.

Bless you a million times. Stay dry and be careful!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
23. I admit, I still had @ 15 names to go and thought @ quitting right then
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:20 PM
Mar 2016

I actually called my husband (whose in SC) to talk me down. Sat in my car for a while.

Thought some more and decided Karma wouldn't be kind if I didn't finish the precinct. So bucked it up and finished. Last person was an RF (refused to answer the door or refused to discuss) - this guy peeked at me through his side door windows and didn't answer the door. Kinda anti-climactic.



Like I said, I'm pretty much blinged out in Bernie swag...

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
21. Thank you for letting us know.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

We all need to be careful because of the "hate" talk coming from Trump. He is inciting those who follow him to go ahead and "do violence" and he'll bail them out. Good grief.

zentrum

(9,866 posts)
22. Always thought
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:15 PM
Mar 2016

…Trump was an unpleasant clown, but had no idea these obsessions built on racism has driven him.

Always saw him, in fact, as a man with no ideology at all—except himself. The Id of Trumpness.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
24. Someone will be killed . . .
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:24 PM
Mar 2016

. . . at a Trump rally.

And even that won't stop him because whoever is killed will have . . . according to Trump . . . deserved it.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
28. I'd already marked him "NH", "not home", and turned to leave
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:36 PM
Mar 2016

my worksheet has that implicitly. There was just that much time before he finally answered the door....

When I got back to the office, I told them @ the episode but said my reflexive response to that guy was that the Sanders campaign had already determined this wasn't a Sanders coordinated effort (I'm combative that way!) When he escalated after I said that, I went quiet and backed away.

The Sanders office staff went NUTS - "don't argue with them!", "just walk away!", "never engage !!!"

So yeah, I definitely learned a lesson. Just back away....

 

azretired

(31 posts)
27. Thanks for telling us your experience
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

I hope everyone canvassing for any person remains safe.

Politics should not be dangerous.

Still, we are an armed nation.

This story reminds me of my experience in the summer of 1970 when I was a very young lawyer. After being denied a police escort by the Mississippi Attorney General, I drove into a rural Mississippi county to file a request for a Temporary Restraining Order to stop racists in that community from burning people out of their homes. As we (I had other folks with me) crossed the county line about 30 "good old boys" greeted us, each standing next to a pickup truck while holding a shotgun or rifle. They followed us into town and waited outside the courthouse and then followed us as we drove out of the county. The Judge signed the TRO.

The Mississippi Attorney General had cautioned us to be sure to obey all traffic laws. I took that as a threat, which it was. I was very careful never to speed, fail to give a turn signal, etc. Ultimately we left the county safe and sound.

This was only a few years after the infamous murder of three civil rights workers in Mississippi and, as you can imagine, we were all terrified.

I am sure you felt much the same way when the guy came to the door armed.

I had hoped the legacy of intimidation and fear would be gone by now. So sorry to see it has not.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
29. Trump is an evil piece of shit...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

... and even other Republicans, whom I despise with every molecule of my DNA, are horrified by his rhetoric, but even more by the unspeakably malevolent actions of TOTALLY UN-American scum that lap up his malicious drivel like dogs eating their own vomit.

They are looking for any excuse to kill someone because that's the way they're hardwired; they were just waiting for a maggot like Trump to give them permission. Let's just hope it's not one of ours. Do NOT try to convert one of these assholes; it could cost you your life.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
35. Thrump is an invention of our own making
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

Every time you attempt to categorize, file or put something or someone in a place of your liking you feed what he lives off. To understand what you are looking at takes a much larger part of the brain. But if a raccoon, a rat or bear can do it, why not us?

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
100. Please clarify your point.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:32 PM
Mar 2016

What, precisely, does he live off?

"To understand what I'm looking at takes a much larger part of the brain?" My brain's pretty big ( I take 7 3/4 hat) and I'm having some difficulty making sense of anything you wrote.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
113. To understand the whole concept of what is going on and how we got here one must first observe.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

If one works at the same level of the person that might be of a bother then a friction at some point will result. He is also a person that has just about most of everything he might want except one thing. The thing he is missing and or has been with held from him is praise and acknowledgement of his contributions. It seems that is the one thing he craves and probably could never admit it. This is kind of a dilemma or paradox for the man and is a strange one. Most in his position don't need that and the notoriety that goes with it. Though he might feel as if he deserves it, those he would want to give it will never.

In his position he can do just about what ever he wants (to a degree of course). Then if you also understand that, what do really think about him and what will happen when he doesn't get his way. The M$M has built a pretty big high horse for him to fall off of, do you think he also understands that? I am no way worried about any of it. Though i do wonder why rest of world cannot see through it as of yet.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
30. Proves my point: I've said it in other posts here today
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

Drumpf supporters are insane. I am personal friends with several of the not violent ones. But I do see there adolescent approach to most things.

That's why I was concerned when Bernie told Trump to "bring it on" - IT's going to be a mess. And some of these childish assholes are going to try and show up packing. YOu heard it here first

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
57. Sanders DIDN'T say that! It was a fake Sanders post.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:07 AM
Mar 2016

Trump had said he might send his supporters to disrupt a Sanders' rally. And someone posted a fake Bernie response: "Send 'em." It was proven to be a fake. Don't know who did it or why. It's somewhere in today's DU Latest Threads.

tavernier

(12,429 posts)
34. I would say
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

You misunderstand. I'm not canvassing for anyone. I just happened to be walking past your house and noticed that the tree in your back yard is on fire.

When he steps out to look, I'd already be long gone.

Be careful, please. It's cloudy with a chance of lunatics out there this week.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. Yep, that's exactly true in the past. Bernie's primary campaign tho is in the final stage in IL
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

and it's stretched thin.

I'm a volunteer whose willing to go alone. I'm 100% unafraid as I've had many other decades of canvassing experience to draw upon and thought I'd drawn an upper middle class suburban neighborhood.

Also after a week of supposed "gang land" canvassing, I wasn't concerned.

I'm going out tomorrow alone if needs be.

(Raised fist)

Wibly

(613 posts)
49. Mistake
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:49 PM
Mar 2016

In this climate that is a mistake. It is irresponsible of any campaign to have it workers canvassing alone. I'm shocked the Sanders campaign would allow it.
If you are in fact a register canvasser for the Sanders campaign, you should be reigned in on this one. Don't be a hero.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
54. I'm done no matter what
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

my car is in the shop tomorrow. Tuesday is just hanging door hangers and getting folks to vote.

My Batavia office is on it. They're deeply concerned. Another BS volunteer with huge swag on his car and home lives less than 500 ft from this guy (it's a town home community) and staff have already been dispatched to advise him. I made sure of that info explicitly.

I think the political climate is so unstable nobody knows what to expect. That said, I fully expect canvassing pairs will now be the norm going forward

NJCher

(35,840 posts)
39. wow, rider
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:01 PM
Mar 2016

That's quite an experience. I'm so sorry you had to go through it. As others up-thread have stated, politics should not be so dangerous. But thank you, GOP. Thank you, NRA.

I just can't imagine being so damned ignorant that you have to strap on a gun to greet a canvaser at the door. In pajamas! To put it mildly, this guy has self-esteem issues.

I know the areas you're speaking about, as I was there a few years ago.

You seem to have a lot of resilience, a sense of humor, and the confidence to not let this bother you that much, so for that, I

Big hug for you


Cher

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
45. Thank you for your great work for Bernie - Please Stay Safe and Only Go With Another Person
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

There are some real crazies out there. So sorry you had such an awful experience.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
46. Please - if you cannot find someone to go with you, switch to phone banking. Please!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie wouldn't want anything to happen to you.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,034 posts)
48. SO glad you made it back safe, if shaken. Canvasing for Obama in 2008 in NH we had
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016

several times where we were met at the door by guy holding a gun and another were he leaned it by the wall just inside.
It was unnerving, and I had to explain to my sons, who were helping us GOTV, that they may be trying just to threaten us, and that some folks just don't like strangers knocking on the doors.

One of my first real jobs long ago was as a U.S. census taker and I had a guy show up at his door with a shotgun, letting me know that no government person was welcome on his property...

Sadly, we live in a country that is screwy about guns.

annie48

(11 posts)
50. Wheaton, Batavia, Glen Ellyn, etc.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:51 PM
Mar 2016

All these western suburbs of Chicago are very well to do and very republican. Scary reaction from the older man, and one I might have been tempted to call the police over.

Did you consider that?

When I wound up in DuPage county over 30 years ago I had no idea at that time it was so republican. I was young and though informed just not enough. Still, I've seen the county change a lot in that time and hopefully it will keep going democratic.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
58. I grew up in GE. Spent 25 years professionally in Wheaton
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

there is a nascent Dem rebellion in Dupage Co.

Befriend Amy Elizabeth Rohrer on FB. She lives in CO now but is an instrumental Dupage Dem, connected to so many causes.

You're not alone.

annie48

(11 posts)
59. Yes I know Amy
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

I've been big into the political thing for some time, and have met Amy while she was still living here at the democratic headquarters on North ave. I saw her back when Obama was running for re-election and found out she is still very involved here in DuPage.

Personally, many of these DuPage dem officials are not quite progressive enough for me, but, I put up with them since the alternative is too dangerous.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
60. I'm going to PM you
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

I hosted Cindy Sheehan at the Dupage Forest Preserve back in the day. I'm thinking we know each other?



Paulie

(8,462 posts)
107. I moved a couple years ago into DuPage
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:33 PM
Mar 2016

You're not alone. 2012 was close to becoming 50/50, and that was before I moved!

 

Nickel79

(81 posts)
51. I'm sorry you had to go through this.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

Personally, I would've called the police because that man doesn't sound very stable and his actions are tip-toeing along the lines of brandishing. Similar situations have occurred in California, and the people toting guns (on their own property) were charged with brandishing with intent to intimidate (or something along those lines). Just food for thought.

All of that aside, great work and thank you so much for what you do.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
61. Thank you for your critically important work! I'm so proud of you...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:27 AM
Mar 2016

...and I wish I could be there with you, to share the load and watch each other's backs!

I wish you joy in this great endeavor! You may not know it, but you are touching people deeply far, far away--even in other countries (Americans Abroad just voted overwhelmingly for Sanders!). We all know what you're doing--creating a political revolution one voter at a time, one neighborhood at a time. Even before you posted this, I was thinking of the canvassers in Illinois, Ohio, FLA and other voting states, as I did during the first primaries. There is nothing more important than this. The door-to-door is the heart of the campaign and of this amazing revolution. Door to door. Face to face. Person to person.

There are always dangers in this kind of canvassing. I'm sorry you ran into one. I'm glad you got away safely. I hugely admire your courage and your determination to finish.

GO ILLINOIS! GO BERNIE! GO RIDER IN THE STORM!!!



THIS IS A SHOUT-OUT FROM CALIFORNIA!

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
62. So sorry this happened to you :( on the bright side
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:44 AM
Mar 2016

I remember in 2008 when my Obama signs kept getting destroyed and stollen. We see how that turned out.

Btw, I read the story today about Laesch working over there. Sounds like you all are really working hard, and putting in some serious time. I think it's paying off. Most of my dem friends are feeling the Bern. But more than that, people that I viewed more as Indies, and never expected to support him we're even posting pics from his rally in Summit! With many more excited, talking and cheering about it. Many, many thanks!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
73. Yes, John is running that office. Even he was out canvassing yesterday
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

its a big push here now...

I'm waiting, waiting for my car to be finished. If it's done with a couple hours of daylight left, I'm heading to the office asap to see what I can do.

Tomorrow I've cleared my schedule to hang door hangers all day. Feelin' the BERN!!!!

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
90. I received a second call today. :)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:19 PM
Mar 2016

And I just sent out my neighborhood voter information notice, along with same day/grace period registration information. With info on same day/grace period registration for our late HS, College students, teachers and new residents. Hopefully it will help with the last minute push.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
63. Eek!!! Oh my
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:50 AM
Mar 2016

I'm so sorry that happened to you. What makes people think that it's okay to threaten someone??

I will only phone/face bank - no door to door canvassing.
Please consider going with others if you continue to go door to door.

YourAMIGO

(39 posts)
65. Thank you for your bravery. A dog bit a lady I was canvassing with yesterday
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:54 AM
Mar 2016

I'm going back out there this week.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
66. Thank you for your work on this...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:39 AM
Mar 2016

You are in my area... My husband picked up our Bernie sign from that office. I put it in our window rather than our yard given the damage done to past yard signs.

Don't let a couple "morans" get you down tho! There are plenty of Bernie and Clinton fans who support your efforts. Just another indication of why this election is so important!

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
67. Very scary indeed
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:55 PM
Mar 2016

My husband and I just discussed taking the Bernie magnet off my car. Much as I am loathe to do it, I can't run as fast as I used to.

It's frightening out there. I was just over in Ireland and England visiting family and friends and they're all watching in horror. They can't believe how Trump and his goons are behaving and have placed bets on how quickly I'll return if he's elected. Most expect I will be joining them for Christmas.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
69. Hm... seems that Clinton is no longer the only candidate with desperate followers
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:00 PM
Mar 2016

but these ones are... miles over the horizon of sanity and accellerating.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
71. Sucks that you had to experience that, and I'm glad you're OK.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks so much for your dedication and commitment--you and others who do the heavy lifting are true heros, and that's not said lightly, considering your account.

When I canvassed for Obama in 2012, I was lucky that the worst my partner and I experienced was mere rudeness (although I think we left at least one domestic dispute in our wake).

The buddy system should be SOP, IMO.

Thank you again, and please do whatever you need to do to stay safe!

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
72. Back in 2010...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:34 PM
Mar 2016

I was working for the census up here in Maine. Most of the people I went to visit were decent enough, helped me fill out my paperwork and didn't give me a hard time. During one particular incident though, a woman came to the door and told me she had already dealt with a census worker. I explained, "Well, Mam, we have several operations going on right now... and that was probably one of the others, now this will only take a few minutes, if you wouldn't mind..."

Her annoyed look changes to a very angry one: "Leave. Now. I'm going to go get my Father and tell him to get his shotgun."

That was freaky. So I said "sorry", several times, backed down the porch steps - and rushed back out to my vehicle... I was in such a hurry digging into my pocket for the keys that I hit the panic button and it started beeping like crazy, until my shaking fingers were able to turn it off - and the internal dialogue is going like this; "Shit, shit, they're going to shoot me before I can get out of this driveway". It felt like that took way too long, but it was probably really less than thirty seconds before I had the keys in the ignition and was backing out, very nervously watching the door the whole time.

I have never had a gun pointed in my face (yet) but when working at a hotel front desk, I did have an angry bounty-hunter with a gun on his hip threaten me and cuss me out (because of a problem I had nothing at all to do with).

It is very scary when that happens - and the people who do such things ought to be ashamed of themselves. That said, you did the smart thing by backing away and apologizing. Engaging people like that, talking back to them, arguing with them... frankly, I don't think there's any point. I also think they ought to be arrested for threatening citizens who intend them no harm, who are doing nothing more terrible than working for a political campaign and seeking votes and support.

The level of hate out there right now is extreme. More than I have ever seen. Find someone, anyone, to go with you.

Thank you for your work and your courage - stay safe and please be careful.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
82. Ikr?! I'd been in Aurora the two days previously
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:15 PM
Mar 2016

between Parker and Benton, Rt 25 and the East Aurora HS and had zero problems.

In fact on Friday afternoon, early evening, it was like a giant party. Everyone outside, beautiful weather, lots of drinks, "Hola! to everyone....

You must be working out of the Batavia office too. Maybe I'll see you tomorrow? We should pm each other and meetup!

 

modestybl

(458 posts)
117. All afternoon canvassing in Aurora...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:56 AM
Mar 2016

Stopped in Batavia this evening... I'll be at the election watch party after 8:00 pm at La Quinta tomorrow... maybe we can meet up then

(I heard you had a VERY interesting phone call yesterday )

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
75. UPDATE!!! Bernie himself just called me!!!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:10 PM
Mar 2016

I am beside myself!! I was completely star struck and tongue tied. Almost cried!!!

He called to say nobody should ever experience that kind of intimidation while canvassing and to thank me for working on his behalf.

I am beyond excited and completely fired up! I told him I'm not stopping and we're determined to win Illinois for him.

Very brief and gracious and kind. I'm going to be floating for weeks now

Dr. Xavier

(278 posts)
76. Please be careful and have you thought of
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:10 PM
Mar 2016

filing a brandishing a weapon charge against this lunatic. Contact the local PD, see if they'll investigate at least.

blm

(113,140 posts)
79. So sorry this happened to you. It was never this way in the past.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

You were doing the right thing by participating in democracy and no one should be threatened for it.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
80. it was the Sanders campaign behind it all....
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

Well, if it was, it was the EASIEST thing Sanders has had to do in 30+ years.

(of course it wasn't true.)

Svafa

(594 posts)
84. Scary! Stay safe, everyone!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:26 PM
Mar 2016

I feel kind of worthless because I donate to Sanders's campaign whenever I have extra money, but social anxiety prevents me from canvassing and phone banking. I feel like I'm not doing everything I can to get his message out there and to remind people to vote. Everyone out there volunteering, you guys are AWESOME, and keep up the good work!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
85. Bring food!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:34 PM
Mar 2016


Seriously the campaign offices love the free food that's donated. I got in last night and immediately snarfed down a plate of delicious donated homemade spaghetti and meatballs. It was just the ticket (yum, carbs...lol).

Cookies, Subway, pizza, sloppy joes, spaghetti - I've seen a lot of creative stuff donated. Free food is really welcome and helps folks stay at it longer.

Just a thought for those who are stressed to do something.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
88. the shit is getting real
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:09 PM
Mar 2016

Canvassing is weird. I will never forget, when canvassing for Obama, I had people tell me in 2008 they would never vote the ni**er.

lark

(23,203 posts)
94. I feel like we're at the start of WW2 and the brown shirts are rioting,
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

yelling Heil Trump. It no longer seems funny.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
95. Since hearing Trump blaming Bernie for the disruptors, I've been wanting to post this.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:56 PM
Mar 2016

My kid and his girlfriend were among the anti-Trump group actually inside the hall. He told me that at some point they started chanting "Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!".

Trump has been instructing supporters at this rally to surround protestors and chant "Trump! Trump! Trump!" at them until security comes and hauls them away. My guess would be they were doing that at the UIC rally and that one of the protestors decided to chant "Bernie!" back at them. Other protestors joined in.

According to my kid there were more protestors than supporters inside the hall. So "Bernie!" ended up being louder than "Trump!".

Hence, the reason he decided to pin the blame on Sanders.


Technically, my kid was not initially among the protestors. His girlfriend was. He was on the sidelines recording everything when a cop pinned his arms to his sides, walked him over to the protestors and shoved him in with the group presumably because the kid is a young, Black Mexican.


 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
101. Be safe. We had an Obama sign shot at...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:35 PM
Mar 2016

...and two Kerry signs burned. Those guys are the lurkers! Stay clear of the gun nuts! They are beyond insane!

cannabis_flower

(3,769 posts)
104. People (including Trump)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:51 PM
Mar 2016

don't seem to understand their 1st Amendment Rights. Trump's First Amendment Rights were not violated. In order for his First Amendment Rights to have been violated the government would have had to violate them. He is not protected from unruly protesters.

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/03/13/no-first-amendment-rights-were-trampled-on-in-chicago/

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
105. Sorry you had to go through this!!!! Most of my canvassing experiences here in Kansas City or......
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 06:01 PM
Mar 2016

......in Iowa have been positive. People have been generally friendly, even if they're voting for someone else.

Yesterday, however my partner did encounter some truculent Trump types, not violent, thank heavens, just rude. We were working a mostly white, working class area; the type of people who really should support Bernie.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
111. The Ruling Class does not want Sanders. They want Clinton or a Republican.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

Goldman-Sachs said this himself.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
114. Yup. Had to laugh at your jackassradicals sig. I'm riderintheshitstorm there
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016


I'm now thinking its a badge of honor to be targeted by that HRC hate group. Kinda like being on the banned HRC group list here at DU..

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
115. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. They have to have an alternate site
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:03 AM
Mar 2016

to conspire against us. It's so jr High.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
118. I work for the Census Bureau and have to knock on doors for a living.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 01:05 AM
Mar 2016

Welcome to my world. The only thing missing is a gun pointed AT your face and/or sicking the dog(s) on you. People can be total assholes. Oh yeah, and I forget spitting in your face.

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