I too would like to thank the Hillary Clinton group

[harrisbierhoff]

I would like to thank you for helping to illuminate the disgusting crevices of the Democratic Party that need to be cleansed. We will part ways in November, when many of us will no longer be willing to swallow the Establishment's party unity crap after all of the dirty tricks. We will throw the likes of DWS out of office. We will make the DNC reflect the true face of our party. You can go where you belong, and help Marco Rubio reshape the damaged Republican Party brand.

I would like to thank you for identifying who among us is truly Democrat in name only. Our candidate may well have been an Independent for most of his career, and yet he is proudly picking up the torch previously carried by FDR, JFK and Johnson. Your candidate is proudly picking up the torch previously carried by Nixon and Dubya.

I would like to thank you for really helping our righteous candidate and his loyal supporters feel proud and ever more passionate with every skulking, craven, desperate, unsubstantial and pathetic attack your candidate and her blind, sheepish, petty and vindictive supporters have waged.

Yes, Hillary Clinton and her groupies are an inspiration. You are an inspiration for retaking the Democratic Party for those whom seek transformative change without resorting to Republican tactics. Go to hell.

[wendylaroux]

1. And there you have it. : )

[Laf.La.Dem.]

2. WOW - sounds like a super plan!!

Vote - Republican

[840high]

49. Perhaps for you that's

the only option.

[lark]

53. Is she/he a troll?

By the post, I really can't tell except he/she's doing everything they accuse the "others" as doing. Can a poster be any snarkier or more unlike the man they claim to worship?

[harrisbierhoff]

62. I promise you, I'm not a troll

I'm frustrated that Clinton and her supporters have so mindlessly torn our large tent to shreds, and am not prepared to help them mend it following the GE. I'll vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is, but the corruption they willfully embrace is nothing I ever wish to associate myself with. And you are correct that I'm unlike the man I support (nobody should be "worshipping" anybody). I'll leave the graceful, dignified, guarded statesmanship to Senator Sanders. I'm his supporter, and I'm fucking pissed off.

[sabrina 1]

71. We have been voting Repub lite. Now that is going to change. There are 191 Bernie Democrats running

for Congress this year to replace the Dinos we helped put there, sadly. One of them is challenging DWS and is well on his way to getting his funding from the people, same as Bernie. The old 'but who are you going to vote for' bullying challenge, is no longer relevant.

191 Bernie Democrats. Real Democrats, all on the same page as Bernie and his millions of supporter! The political revolution is well on its way and I for one, am psyched and forever grateful to Sanders for making all these fantastic candidates

You're going to find that the old 'so you want Repubs to win' lie, isn't going to work anymore. New talking points will be needed but unless they are RELEVANT to anything, they will be a waste of time.

[cui bono]

85. Hear! Hear!

.

[Fawke Em]

89. I really don't think they "get it."

A plurality of voters belong to neither party. And Millennials - the future - don't care much about party politics, either.

If the Democratic Party nominates a lack-luster candidate with a history of scandal and who is under investigation, the party will lose.

Yes, Clinton is very popular in segments of the party, mainly with the establishment. Nearly half of the rank and file don't much care for her, either, because she's to their right.

How do these people think she's going to win with, maybe, 20 percent of Democratic voters, a piddly number of Independents and virtually no Millennials pulling for her?

[sabrina 1]

94. Maybe the plan is for Repubs to win this time? After all we don't make these decisions, those who

have grabbed power make them. Dems have had the WH for eight years, Repubs may be demanding it's 'our turn'.

Hillary and all Repub candidates are part of that system. The only one who is not, is Bernie

Dems are now down to just 30% of registered voter. Half of them will not vote for Hillary from what I can see. She has zero cross over appeal. So the only conclusion has to be the Powerful are rooting for Repubs, though would be happy with her if she managed to win

[werknotgoin2takeit]

97. Question

I've been wanting to put together a list of a Bernie Brigade, where did you find the 191? I've done a little searching but can't seem to find the right word combination. I want to donate to their campaigns to help build a Bernie firewall once he's in office. I know I'm being very hopeful but it comes and goes. This group gets me all riled up and feeling good!

[sabrina 1]

98. Sorry to take so long to answer. I will post the list, which was compiled by Expats For Bernie,

later today when I get a chance.

[sabrina 1]

99. Just posted the list in an OP here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511339228#post21

[werknotgoin2takeit]

100. I saw it and bookmarked!

Thank you so much. I plan on sharing far and wide.

[sabrina 1]

101. Great, thank you!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

108. There are 191 Bernie Democrats running

Wow - Many thanks

[sarge43]

3. Welcome to DU and the Bernie Sanders Group

Now don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. Great post, just the right amount of snark.

[harrisbierhoff]

12. Thanks!

You're right, I should vent a little more. Maybe I'll ask the Hillary group to lift my ban so I can share my feelings over there.

[ellennelle]

24. u 2?

i got banned a while back, and i have no idea why.

i don't do this often. heck, hardly even seldom.

and i admit, i am clueless on the rules, and too lazy and uninvested in the drama to figure it all out.

but since you mentioned you're banned, thought i'd ask.

i mean, how do we carry on a debate if they shut people out?

sounds like fox news. bubble world.

sigh.

and thx for this! awesome.

[harrisbierhoff]

30. I too was unaware of the groups and the bans, etc.

I wasn't even aware there was a Bernie group with Hillary people banned at the time I posted to chide them for running an echo chamber. All I got was defensive comments about how much worse was the Bernie crowd, someone referred to me as a BernieBros, and then I got a message that I was banned. Not very democratic if you ask me.

[erlewyne]

35. I really like your post.

I was unaware of a Hillary group a short time back.
Now that I have been banned I am anti-Hillary.
She used to be number 1. Now I won't vote for her.

Yes, she is destroying us old democrats.

[harrisbierhoff]

39. Thanks!

The probability that we'll be forced to bring ourselves to vote for her in the GE in the face of President Trump is a depressing daily thought that I have. Rewarding that pathological liar any kind of prize, even just the nomination let alone the presidency, sticks in my craw. If we weren't facing naked fascism with Trump or a theocracy under Cruz, I might be tempted to write in Bernie's name. Not that she's equipped to beat any Republican, but I couldn't live with myself knowing that I didn't attempt to prevent the ascent of American Nazism or American Taliban.

[TheUndecider]

105. I'm in the same boat

Got banned from Hill group on my second day. Didn't know, it was in latest threads. Oops! I get both sides need for a safe place to congregate, didn't mean to step on toes so early

[DUbeornot2be]

68. I was...

...also banned recently for some pretty mild criticism... I suspect there's more than just exuberant support going on...

It's all too well coordinated. People are all mean at the same time. And honestly, I prefer to think of some of them as simply 'financially rewarded' as opposed to the vile, hateful people they can come across as...

The reason they so resemble repugs is because they're willing to sell out their ideals...

Follow the money!

Cha ching!

[840high]

50. They got u 2?

[Jezza]

51. hey, wait, are we on CNN?!

welcome to da band

...anyhow, liked what you've said

[Bangbangdem]

93. Geez. Good luck with that!

I got banned just for saying "we shall see, y'all. " then I was told, "no shit sherlock," and was banned from the forum. The jury decision thumped me as well when I alerted. I was really insulted! Yeesh.

[TTUBatfan2008]

4. Unreal...

The Clinton fans alerted this post. They are in full on censorship mode.

[sarge43]

5. To be expected. They're a reality denying cult.

Can a message be reposted if it's juried?

[polly7]

6. LOL I'm sure a lot of heads exploded with this one.

[TTUBatfan2008]

9. I posted the Jury Results...

...check out Post #7 below.

[pangaia]

10. You know what, I don't like it either.

I don't think it is quite necessary.

[TTUBatfan2008]

11. The Hillary people post similar stuff...

...in the Hillary group that is not hidden. If this was posted in the General: Primaries forum, I would have voted to hide it.

[pangaia]

13. I'm not arguing with you at all.. And yes, I understand what you say.

I find it a little embarrassing, to tell you the truth.

But.. it's over. So we move on.

[harrisbierhoff]

20. What exactly embarrasses you?

The expression of outrage?

[harrisbierhoff]

17. Disagree

It was a perfectly legitimate response to a group that wants to pretend it's "cutting through the BS". I felt it necessary to tell them exactly what I thought of their pretense that we're the group subsisting on BS. They deserve it.

[TTUBatfan2008]

7. Jury Results...

I was Juror #2 and voted to leave it alone. I will say that I've voted to hide a couple of anti-Hillary posts in recent days. I think the Bernie people should be allowed to say what they want to say in the Bernie group, just as I have seen very harsh anti-Bernie and anti-Bernie supporter stuff posted in the Hillary group that was not hidden.


On Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:04 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I too would like to thank the Hillary Clinton group
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280123955

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calling other DU'ers disgusting is over the top, if this isn't disruptive meta I don't know what it. Guaranteed the hosts won't lock it so why waste the SOP alert, let's start to hide this divisive crap from either campaigns supporters.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 22, 2016, 03:13 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Discuss the issues, don't alert. No hide.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously Clinton people? Stick to your group and quit trying to censor criticism of your candidate in the Sanders group.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm a Bernie supporter and I agree with the alerter. Beyond the pale. I recently, to my regret, decided not to hide another anti-Hillary supporters post that did deserve it, in a moment of partisan weakness, but I'm going to regain my neutrality and hide posts that deserve it in either direction. And this one deserves it. It shouldn't even BE in the Bernie group as well, it has nothing to do with Bernie.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think a poster should be permitted an opinion in their protected group.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The phrase "disgusting crevices of the Democratic Party that need to be cleansed" is indeed over the top. I understand the "Underground" part of the site, but this post ignores the "Democratic" part and treats the party as an adversary.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[harrisbierhoff]

18. Thank you for the vote!

I concur.

[Trust Buster]

40. I'm a Hillary supporter and I concur as well.

It seems that anything is subject to an alert nowadays.

[harrisbierhoff]

47. Thanks for expressing that

And for being so fair-minded.

[LovingA2andMI]

25. I Would Have Voted The Same...

ESPECIALLY after they kicked me out of "their group" for posting the truth about "their candidate" (no slander, just truth) yet want to eliminate a poster right to free speech in a BERNIE GROUP.

They are quite a piece of work, aren't they.

[harrisbierhoff]

29. Yep, I believe I had a "BernieBros" label thrown at me

I was simply telling them that they're an echo chamber, and suggesting they be open to discuss things with the other side. I found myself banned before I could even tell them the truth about their sociopath candidate. I guess that's what they have in common with their precious Hillary: they can't bear to hear the truth about themselves.

[LovingA2andMI]

34. BernieBros...

That's such a made up piece of BS....it's completely laughable. No "BernieBros" exist.

[erlewyne]

31. Where does it say Bernie group or Hillary group

on these threads? I do not want to post on Hillary's threads.
I don't even want to read them since I will get kicked off
if I dare respond. I have been kicked off before, but why?

[GoneFishin]

41. Near the top of the page just below the tabs there is a path that has the group name at the end.

[erlewyne]

87. Thanks Gonefishin!

I learn things daily.

I'm a bit surpised we have exclusive groups.

[dana_b]

56. wow - I don't even go into the HCG

why in the hell do they care so much what we say here?? I sincerely do not care what they say. I know it's all crap anyway.

[Hydra]

60. Message control

They want all of us banned ASAP. They think we're destroying the party by not "loyally" supporting the coronation.

I've even heard something about a list...not that it matters to me, I'm pretty sure I've ticked off everyone here on DU with any modicum of power and still here almost 10 years later.

[mrdmk]

86. Yes, and, 'Just stop it!'

[farleftlib]

14. Day-um

You have a way with words, harris.

[harrisbierhoff]

21. Thanks!

I've been a longtime lurker, decided to come out from the shadows!

[farleftlib]

37. I saw that

Quite a righteous rant. It's not something I do often but I had to peek at your profile.

[olddots]

15. they are also

Constipational scholars .

[Maedhros]

16. I see so many posts on DU pleading for us all to settle down and have a kumbaya moment

because, gosh darn it, we're all Democrats and we need to stick together.

No.

I do not need to "stick together" with those who condone war, private prisons, the TPP, and the surveillance state. I need to fight those people, regardless of which Party they have infested.

[harrisbierhoff]

22. My sentiments exactly

And it's not like the Third Way people are very shy with their contempt for those of us further to the left, either. I recall Rahm Emmanuel's very flattering usage of "libtards" back in the day (can't recall if it was when he was with the Obama administration or after).

[mariawr]

91. Rahm was all like wham bam thank you ma'am. You voted now get lost nt

[LovingA2andMI]

27. This^^^^^

[dpatbrown]

33. Concur!

It's also hard to stay friends. At least for me. I have one friend who is republican, and I haven't talks with her in three months, because I just CANT put it aside. I don't understand. Sanders is easily the best person ever to run for president, IF he/she is a progressive. Period.

All those examples that you mentioned, for me too is a huge problem. The though of getting into another war led by the neocons is depressing. And of the two, she would be the one to do it, to show how tough she is.

[debunction.junction]

38. BRAVO! I am done with party before people.

[840high]

52. .^that

[ladyVet]

92. I'm with you.

I see so many posts on DU pleading for us all to settle down and have a kumbaya moment because, gosh darn it, we're all Democrats and we need to stick together.

No.

I do not need to "stick together" with those who condone war, private prisons, the TPP, and the surveillance state. I need to fight those people, regardless of which Party they have infested.

I've heard that bullshit for decades now, and it gets stronger every time they need to throw someone else under the bus so we can "win" against the evil Republicans.

I will no longer hold my nose. I will no longer vote just because it's the lesser of two evils. Evil is still evil, no matter how much makeup you put on it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Aren't they precious? Such a lovely lot.

Great thank you letter! So much more gracious than I could ever be.

Welcome to DU!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[harrisbierhoff]

23. Thanks!

I appreciate it!

[LovingA2andMI]

26. And Welcome To DU...

Be Sure to Stick Around As Your Posts Are RIGHT ON POINT ...

[harrisbierhoff]

28. Thanks!

I'm feeling the love and the Bern around here!

[Chasstev365]

32. That sad thing is that DU

Is one of the few places where the BS of Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz is even being exposed for what it is. Most Americans get their news from network TV or cable stations like CNN and MSNBC and they are in kahoots with the Clintons.

If the Democratic Party is no longer going to listen to us, we need a third Progressive Party formed by like minded people. There is real anger at the rigged political process and now is the time to strike.

[harrisbierhoff]

36. Hear! Hear!

What I wouldn't give to join the Democratic Socialists party with Chairman Bernie Sanders at the helm.

[Chasstev365]

42. There is a presumption in the DNC that

FDR, Harry Truman, JFK/RFK and LBJ type Democrats don't matter because they have no where else to go. Vote for Hillary to save the SP court, they warn us. With garunteed sucker votes, they try to appeal to the conservative-right indendents to win in November. I'd love to see the DNC shit themselves when millions leave to a Progressive Party, taking the Millennials with them because they too have had it with the Democratic Party. LOL!

[840high]

55. SP is important but I'm not

a one issue voter. Thank you.

[GoneFishin]

44. Bernie agreed to run as a Democrat so as not to split the left and throw the GE to the Repugs.

But if the party denies him a level playing field by stacking the deck, cheating and lying, I don't see where he owes them shit.

They are going to split the party anyway, and will throw the GE to Trump if they nominate an un-electable Hillary through dirty tricks.

I wouldn't blame Bernie if he made his agreement to run as a Democrat conditional on the basis that no more evidence of fraud or tampering surfaces during the primary.

[Live and Learn]

43. K&R nt

[DI Freighter Watcher]

45. Thank you

You have expressed everything I have wanted to say since I began posting my support for Bernie. DU has been a great source for sharing information, so I began posting with trepidation , and BAM the Hillary jury pounced on me. So I assumed censorship thrived in DU. I will only say, with fear of attack, I still think Hillary has a Bitchey Resting Face.

[harrisbierhoff]

83. My pleasure!

The Clinton Coven is a sad, desperate group of control freaks. Their candidate may able to pull strings with corporate media, but here they're subject to majority rule.

[tokenlib]

46. Thanks for the boost, rekindling "the bern"...

The third way corporatists are a fungus or mold that have made the "house" of our Democratic Party close to uninhabitable...

[840high]

48. Clear Truth!!!!!

[Matariki]

54. Don't know if you care

but you probably want to delete this if you plan on sticking around.

but my guess is intentional short-lived blaze of glory

[harrisbierhoff]

58. Why is that?

No good?

[Matariki]

67. I didn't notice that you already survived a jury

So nevermind. I'm sure you know what you're doing

[Trajan]

57. I love you, Harris

I've never met you, but I sure as hell love you ...

To paraphrase The Joker:

"This party needs an enema!"

[harrisbierhoff]

78. Thanks!

Right back at you!

[DrBulldog]

59. Amen, brother.

I will be voting for Bernie or abstaining on the Presidential ballot this year. First time I walked away from a democracy that is no longer one.

[harrisbierhoff]

82. You can still write in Bernie.

No need to avoid voting!

[Fuddnik]

102. Not in Florida.

A write-in candidate must be filed as a write-in at qualifying in April or may. Otherwise the vote gets tossed.

I guess Mickey Mouse was elected Governor here too many times. Sad, because he was a much better candidate than either party put up in the last 20 years.

[Hydra]

61. Welcome to active posting!

And I see you are already upsetting the right people. Expect a lot of hate and alerts, but post your truth and it'll all be good

[harrisbierhoff]

79. Thanks for the encouragement!

Will do!

[rwsanders]

63. They've made it so clear that if she wins the nomination, I'm starting to believe we'll be looking..

at a President Trump.
Bernie has shown he can compete, time for the third way to fold and support Bernie so Trump doesn't win.
Someone may throw down some indictments just before the election and boom, casino in the white house.

[Don Draper]

64. The Hillary group is an echo chamber

They engage in groupthink; can't handle valid criticism of their candidate. They banned me after just one post. Oh we'll. Sorry, but Hillary is not above criticism or reproach. If they thought Bernie's criticism of Hillary was tough, he is using kids gloves compared to Obama in the 08 primary

[Binkie The Clown]

80. Me too. Banned after one polite post...

...mentioning a simple fact that contradicted established dogma in the Church of Hillary.

[DUbeornot2be]

65. Author,

Author!

[Paka]

66. K&R

Nicely put.

[LiberalElite]

69. Kicking nt

[Flying Squirrel]

70. Why don't you just say what you really think?

[delrem]

72. I disagree with this post.

I think this post goes beyond an invisible but still very real line.

It attacks the Hillary group, and it does not help anything by wholesale attacking "supporters", like that.

I think it's wrong "in its bones".

[harrisbierhoff]

74. Clinton, the DNC and their zombiedom

They shat upon this invisible line that you speak of. The takeaway from my post is that it'll soon be time to dissolve our bonds with these unscrupulous people. We aspire to a more benevolent and trustworthy government, and don't think it's necessary or acceptable to deceive or intimidate people into agreeing with us. We are no longer mere Democrats. We are Democratic Socialists.

[delrem]

75. Oh yah yah yah, like that's an actual argument.

It's a screed, and it does nothing helpful to attack the HRC group, as such, on DU.

And I'll bet my bottom dollar that you know that.

[harrisbierhoff]

77. Call it what you want

I respectfully disagree in my bones. Have a nice night.

[malokvale77]

73. Well Yes...

Get ready for the hide. The minority of DU will not let this stand.

[harrisbierhoff]

76. I already survived their sad little jury

They lost. I won.

[Binkie The Clown]

81. I think 125 recs (at the moment) is also a pretty damn strong endorsement.

Especially since it was 119 recs when I started reading the thread about 2 minutes ago.

This post is raising recs the way Bernie raises money.

[harrisbierhoff]

84. I'll have to muse more often on here

Has been fun!

[marble falls]

110. Survived the battle, lost the war. Sad little jury kicked your ass in the end, chump.

[mercuryblues]

112. ok

[bonzotex]

88. wow, telling fellow Democrats to go to hell

It sounds rather Republican.

[harrisbierhoff]

90. Whoever said they're real Democrats?

Their candidate is the one associated with Goldwater, Kissinger, Rovian campaign tactics, anti marriage equality, anti campaign finance, pro NAFTA, pro war with anybody to sound like a tough girl, etc, etc, etc, etc. So yes, they can go to hell.

[bobthedrummer]

95. "Go to hell." +1

Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, the Democratic Leadership Council, etc (repost of 2008 OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

[Ivan Kaputski]

96. The DLC Turd Way must be forever stomped out of existence.

[mikehiggins]

103. Just in passing...Capehart is back

I noticed him on Tweety's show babbling on about something, and then I came across another post from that protected sanctuary that is Clinton Corner. As I understood what he was arguing, it seems that blacks support Clinton because it is so amazing to have a white leader working to help the AA community.

I guess those three volunteers and others murdered down south don't count.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

104. DemocratIC.

"I would like to thank you for identifying who among us is truly Democrat in name only."

[SoapBox]

106. Yes!

Sheesh...how the heck did I miss your post.

Righteous.

[Zorra]

107. I never go anywhere on the internet that I can feel large amounts of dark energy

emanating from.

Went to freerepublic once, and the energy made me feel like vertigo was coming on. Watched Fox News for a few minutes once, long ago and it made me feel the need to take a shower. The first time I ever saw a photo of junior Bush it was like hearing a rattlesnake rattle from 3 feet away.

[eridani]

109. Running the numbers

Hillary Clinton Group
Number of subscribers: 304
Number of people trashing: 192
Blocked members: 531
Subscribers to blocked members ratio: 0.573


Bernie Sanders Group.
Number of subscribers: 867
Number of people trashing: 144
Blocked members: 248
Subscribers to blocked members ratio: 3.50

[hopemountain]

111. all one needs to do is

tune in to msm news programs (including msnbc) to confirm the lies perpetrated by the clinton campaingn and the msm's intentional twisting of anything pertaining to bernie's campaign. it IS beyond disgusting.

sure, there are shananigans by the clinton campaign at the polls and in their message. this is why if we want bernie in the white house we must overwhelm the primaries with voters at the polls.

thanks, harrisbierhoff - your post is entirely true and it is hard to accept that not everyone marches to their step.