sheshe, i have a problem with this lock. i feel your message should be heard,

[seabeyond]

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rather than silenced or the threads drop...

i found it ironic the both macro and micro issues toward women, was addressed as meta. i did not feel your thread meta, but i am not a host in GD and in the feminist group, you can be heard. though not your group in general, for putting out OPs. this will have to do. i was heartened to see jury 1-6 felt your OP relevant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025619431

I guess the only way to get to the top the page is to say fuckity fuck!

Fuck! Trash the President on DU. Holy Shit. You make the top of the page! Yea!

Empower women? Drops like a rock. I am so ashamed of DU on this issue.

Ya, I know this will go no where. Women are the bottom of the barrel. Here on DU and in RL.

We have been royally Fucked! Some on DU do the best to ridicule us. I find that so overwhelmingly sad on a Democratic board.

Fuck That! This is National DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AWARENESS MONTH 2014!.

Okay. Fuck every man that has raised his hand to a woman.

Fuck you for believing you have a right to put your fist in our face. You feel the power! Put her in her place. She is less than nothing! Hit her!

Fuck you!

Women are abused daily. So sadly they are abused on DU as well. We are attacked, we are minimized and we sure as hell are told to SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. Fuck that!

Fuck every GOPer that believes they have all rights over our bodies. They redefine rape, are you fucking kidding me!? I am appalled what comes out of the GOPs mouths. I am equally appalled at the lack of outrage from many here at DU. Ya~ It's about the little woman, meh~ not important.

Do you give a damn about the safety and well being of you wife, mother , aunt, daughter niece or friend!? Stand for us. Please stand up and say you care and will protect the women in your life.

*i hope you do not mind. i just saw the thread, and was not able to comment. i really hate that your message got locked. i wont be around. i am off the board for a while. but, if you would like me to delete, please let me know.*

[NYC_SKP]

1. I agree, seabeyond. I think it was a bad call by hosts. Alerts failed so alerters went to hosts.

My own reply in the thread was alerted, a 7-0 vote left it alone.

Last I read, "meta" isn't a violation though whining about DU might be considered a violation.

In this event, I think we had a good post framed in a way that it might attract well deserved attention.

Another post about Domestic Violence week didn't get the visibility it should have.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025618824

Never Give Up.

[seabeyond]

3. thank you NYC. even in the complaining about du, it was the greater context of womens issues. THAT

is allowable. what women, feminists and progressive should discuss whether we find it on du or the real world. the op was not griping about du, it was griping about womens issues, du and real world. two different animals.

[sheshe2]

42. Thank you SKP....

For your support and understanding of the issues. Again for the link to my other OP.

Ha, your 7-0 leave goes to MIRT! Good! More attention is needed.

Nope, we are not giving up. we never will.

[Major Hogwash]

54. If that's the case, let me ask you a question.

In your opinion, isn't that a case of double jeopardy?

If her thread passed the first jury that was made up of DU members that are her peers, then is it true that the hosts acted like a 2nd jury when they discussed whether or not her thread violated the purpose of that forum, and then locked it?

To my way of thinking, her thread should have never been discussed by those forum hosts, to begin with.
Especially after it passed the scrutiny of the 1st jury.

Since no other DU member's name was mentioned in her thread, it was not "Meta" material.
I would know, as I was a forum host for the Meta forum 2 years ago.
And even though the Meta forum had a lot of callout threads started in it, I never locked any thread while I was a host for that forum.

[NYC_SKP]

57. You probably know how the discussions about this go...

That juries adjudicate community standards while hosts determine if there's a violation of a forum's SOP.

There are instances of overlap, but whining about DU is mostly a host issue, though juries sometimes want to act as hosts.

And vice versa.

So, in theory, there shouldn't be an issue as the standards being judged are in two different sets: SOP vs CS, but in practice we do, in effect, see hosts override juries and vice versa.

I would have voted to leave it.

And, talk about crazy juries, did you see that Post 45 was hidden in this thread by a jury, 4-3?

What, I wonder, was the CS being broken there?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

2. Was any mention made alluding to the op

Being. Call out? Although, aren't call outs permissible now?

[seabeyond]

5. jury allowed to stand 6-1. "whining about DU/meta". the hosts then got an alert i assume

for the same message. they choose to lock.

i do not believe it is a meta thread. i believe it is a thread, about womens issues. using du and real world as examples.

[theHandpuppet]

53. That's an excellent description, sea

"i believe it is a thread, about womens issues. using du and real world as examples."

Who the hell got so upset by this thread that they alerted? Ridiculous!

[hlthe2b]

4. sea, it was not the message that hosts were grappling with

Which is why it stayed up so long. The fact is that the post came up head long against meta type discussion of DU/DUers.

The gist of the thread is fine and appropriate to repost here if sheshe agrees. It isn't the cursing at issue. Nor is the point being made specific only to DU. It is also a societal issue. While there is understandable frustration expressed at DU, I think the point is that we should expect MORE from a progressive forum... No insult in THAT.

[seabeyond]

6. thanks for the explanation. but, i am not really getting the gist of your reasoning. sorry.

is it a specific comment? when i read this post, i read a womans issue, both on DU and in the real world, showing parallel issues, which are all progressive issues. i am not seeing meta, i am seeing her use du as an example of the same issue in real world.

i really do not think i get what you are saying is the issue.

i do not see this as meta. i see it as issue centric.

[hlthe2b]

7. Concerned we don't incite frivolous alerting, that's all...

[ZombieHorde]

8. I was on the jury for that OP.

On Sat Oct 4, 2014, 01:50 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Fuck it!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025619431

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

whining about DU/meta

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 4, 2014, 02:03 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What an asshole alert
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Waaay over-the-top and poster must be a selective reader. I see OPs at the top from all except the most extreme points of view.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There is nothing wrong with this OP.The alerter should be alerted on.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: SheShe2 is frustrated and wants to be heard.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Frustration with DU is fine. They are also frustrated with the greater world.

Just in case anyone was curious.

[malthaussen]

9. If the post in question is "whining about DU,"

... then DU has a very thin skin.

Or perhaps I shouldn't say that. It might be construed as whining about DU.

-- Mal

[hlthe2b]

10. What is understandable frustration for those here (and many others on DU).. is looked at differently

in GD, where admin's instructions to hosts tend to allow for less discretion.

Unfortunately, some who see a thread locked in GD will immediately seize on its being reposted here, where those same "meta" restriction instructions do not apply... Juries don't always differentiate, unfortunately.

[ismnotwasm]

14. Yup

[BlancheSplanchnik]

11. it was off-topic? from GD? you're kidding me, right?

Jeeezus H. Fucking Christ.

[uppityperson]

46. "off topic" is automatically inserted into every host locked thread, no matter the reason or forum

It is confusing to many people and pften inaccurate. To find out why a thread was locked, the reason, typically the locking Host will post a reply stating the reason before locking it. But "off topic" is in the software to automatically be in every locked post.

[Mister Nightowl]

12. I see nothing wrong with sheshe's post

DURec to this.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

13. oh, Rec and KICK, by the way. It's National Domestic Violence Awareness Month.

[coldbeer]

15. I opened it and then closed it

I read most recent threads but felt enticed by
sheshe when she opened that the only way to get
read was by saying fuck.

I do not have time for games and dislike satire
(this was not satire). This is not facebook,
lets get down to busines.

[seabeyond]

16. she was being sarcastic, and she very much did get down to business. no games to be had.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

43. your statement is fail. on the face of it. the op was only fuck it. you did not Know what she said

until you opened it and she goes on to say in the text that she thought the only way to get read was by using fuck.

thus, you fucking proved her point.

you fail.

go back to facebook.

[blackspade]

17. I see no reason why the thread should have been locked.

The way society treats women is appalling and shameful.

Re-posted for effect:

Okay. Fuck every man that has raised his hand to a woman.

Fuck you for believing you have a right to put your fist in our face. You feel the power! Put her in her place. She is less than nothing! Hit her!

Fuck you!

Women are abused daily. So sadly they are abused on DU as well. We are attacked, we are minimized and we sure as hell are told to SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP. Fuck that!

Fuck every GOPer that believes they have all rights over our bodies. They redefine rape, are you fucking kidding me!? I am appalled what comes out of the GOPs mouths. I am equally appalled at the lack of outrage from many here at DU. Ya~ It's about the little woman, meh~ not important.

Do you give a damn about the safety and well being of you wife, mother , aunt, daughter niece or friend!? Stand for us. Please stand up and say you care and will protect the women in your life.

[Texasgal]

18. Agreed

bad decision by the hosts.

[Omaha Steve]

19. Adding my 2 cents

K&R!

OS

[AnotherMother4Peace]

20. K&R - thread that equates Democratic fundraising to spam soars to the top, and

this one is locked is ridiculous. Hard to talk about, but my dad used beat my Mom, a woman at work is struggling with leaving her abusive husband right now - their son has very poor self esteem because of his denigration. And the republicans platform is to keep us in "binders" until they need a token woman to promote to management. This issue needs to be discussed over and over because many people would like to pretend it's no big deal. The fact that Texas just closed its abortion clinics should give everyone a clue that the fight isn't over.

[seabeyond]

21. i had a republican woman knocking on my door this morning. i told her, i will never vote republican

and here is why

13 clinics closed leaving two open for all of texas was only one.

i hope she put a star by my name ot inform her party not to be knocking on my door no mo.

i pointed to her, and said.... and women like you, that do not stand up to your party when they tell me to put an aspirin between my knees, bothers me even more. lol

[seabeyond]

22. i hope that woman is able to walk. and i hope that son is able to heal.

it can be a forever handed down legacy.

[zeemike]

23. My my, hey hey

Meta post are here to stay
It's better to burn out
Than to fade away
My my, hey hey.

Out of the blue
and into the black
They give you this,
but you pay for that
And once you're gone,
you can never come back
When you're out of the blue
and into the black.

The king is gone
but he's not forgotten
This is the story
of a Johnny Rotten
It's better to burn out
than it is to rust
The king is gone
but he's not forgotten.

Hey hey, my my
Meta posts can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey, my my.

[seabeyond]

24. that is silly.

[zeemike]

26. It was intended to be.

But the words all fit, only one changes in the whole thing.

[seabeyond]

27. meh... i do not really know what you are talking about.

i do not know what your post is about.

but coming in here, and being disruptive on an Op that is about being supportive. and being disruptive is not allowed in HOF. you want to go at it with feminists? do it in gd. not in here.

otherwise,.... a waste of your time.

this is a thread on the violence and abuse to women. and this is what you have? i think it would be exactly what sheshe is addressing in her OP about some duers.

[zeemike]

29. My apologies.

Once again I failed to look at the forum this was in or I would never even have clicked on it...but it was on the front page even though I thought I blocked HoF...please block me from posting here.

[seabeyond]

30. you failed to read the OP also. since that would be the very conversation in the OP. so i gotta ask?

who are you to insult others when you really do not even read what is being said?

[zeemike]

34. I asked you to block me and you still want to fight?

No thanks...and no explaining.

[seabeyond]

35. i did not read the whole post. merely the beginning of excuses. i have no power to block you...

meh

[hlthe2b]

39. Done

[Tuesday Afternoon]

44. thank you.

[Sheldon Cooper]

33. You failed to look at the forum you were posting in, but still couldn't

help yourself from taking a jab at seabeyond, and women in general? Is that what this boils down to?

[ismnotwasm]

56. Of course it is

I've lost count of how many times I've read "oh. I didn't know it was HOF or I wouldn't have posted here"

I also think people can pay attention to where they're posting especially if it's snark. They are perfectly capable of blocking themselves.

[mountain grammy]

25. Thank you, seabeyond, for posting it here. It is important.

Having been around a while, I've moved my share of friends out of bad situation. Took me 13 years to get out of my own, you know, two kids, certain poverty, yada, yada, but I did and my sons grew up healthy and strong and non violent. Best move of my life, scared to death.

[seabeyond]

28. my sons grew up healthy and strong and non violent.

[Kalidurga]

31. There are a lot of adult children who are survivors of domestic violence.

I think this is a big part of the problem of why people don't want to look at these kinds of threads. The survivors can be in deep denial (it wasn't that bad or it wasn't abuse) or just reading about it can be a trigger.

When the issue of how the NFL handles players accused of domestic made headlines with Rice and Peterson there were a lot of triggers for me. I know too well how this can play out over a lifetime. Neither I nor my siblings ever recovered from what we saw and what happened to us. It's not okay the scars are for life. Each of my siblings developed a substance abuse problem, I developed chronic insomnia and then chronic fatigue.

I think so many people struggle with the issue they have a tendency to want to look past it or put it in the past. I wish that I could, but even at my age I still have to deal with the effects every day.

[seabeyond]

32. yes. all too real. thank you for the post,

sharing you and your siblings experience. you are right.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

36. Yes, I agree - that Rice punch was very, very upsetting - it showed suddenly on

the news one time and it triggered a flashback to the punches endured by my mother. No calling the police at that time, secrecy, secrecy was the code.

[Kalidurga]

37. Same here

I saw my mom get beaten to the point of a fractured arm. She never went to the hospital for it, she made a homemade sling and wore it for months.

[seabeyond]

38. wow. and both of you, those of us that did not experience that, cannot even imagine what that

world looks like.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

47. yep. it's so important we support each other and share our strength, hope, experience

Because it takes a lot of work to rise above it a nd to make yourself a whole person, not controlled by the lasting effects of growing up with abuse.

[chervilant]

62. As an advocate for survivors of relationship violence

for the last thirty-five years, I could not agree more: children who must witness one parent (usually dad) abusing the other (usually mom) are as much survivors of relationship violence as is the parent being abused. I remain hopeful that our legal system will soon acknowledge this fact, and stop allowing abusers to continue their abuse through joint custody of their children.

Here are some observations I've made when lecturing about relationship violence:

1) People who've been abused are SURVIVORS of relationship violence. Most who survive do not self-identify as 'victims.'

2) Surviving relationship violence, by definition, requires courage and tenacity--oftentimes stealth. Bringing this to the attention of survivors often results in highly effective re-framing of survivors' options.

3) Active listening, sharing resources, and honoring a survivor's choices is the best advocacy you can offer.

4) Abusers RARELY change. Once an intimate partner hits you (with hands, objects or words), the clear message is that this will ALWAYS be an option.

5) Most often, those who will abuse you will initially present as loving, compassionate and trustworthy. Often, it's difficult to identify the 'red flags' that might give you pause about becoming intimate with a potential abuser.

6) Abusers must be held responsible for their actions. No more excuses, ever.

[seabeyond]

63. i would like to add this to my Op, with your permission, and it deserves its own OP.

that is what the two posters above allowed me to hear. the children, that saw and lived. as adults.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

40. Bad call by the Hosts. DU Rec

[sheshe2]

48. So very sorry about your hide, Tuesday Afternoon

Curious to know who wished to silence your voice. Am I surprised,wait no I am not.

It happens a lot here.

[NYC_SKP]

58. Amazing.

I once had a post hidden for admonishing the people who recced it, without even naming them.

Jury stalking, it never happened on DU2.

[sheshe2]

41. Delete? Hell no!

I worked tonight and only just saw this.

Thank you for the re-posting.

Apparently I am junior high for talking about rec's yet I never said that I wanted it at the top of the page. What I want is for this to be seen and talked about in a rational way. I want people to see that this is an ongoing problem that must be addressed. It is a silent problem since so many never tell. It is about living in shame because you are told over and over again that you are not worthy and then beaten over and over by your abuser. Beat me down to shut me up. NO!

My voice together with yours and every sister and brother that will stand up and say STOP!

The jury alerter and host decision wants us silent. I applaud the jury for saying no.

thank you sea~

[seabeyond]

61. hell, no. oooops. they got one. they got another. my question to skinner,

that went unanswered (i am sure i can say this out loud and not meant to be a secret... , i do not know anymore as the "rules or standards" continually shift), was....

how many times have i been kicked off?

a simple enough question. i have lost track. i figure 11, 12, 13 times. i wanted a number. i guess, i do not get that number, lol. anyway.... ya.

me, and me, and me... then baines, now tuesday. the baddest of the bad. so fuggin interesting to be anywhere in life... the baddest of the bad. a lifetime of good.

literally. i was always and am still, the good girl

so fuggin bustin up sheshe.

sheshe, life is good.

truly good.

we are ... (i would say blessed cause it is a feel good word. BUT... kinda religious? no no, and yet, i do not feel in my spiritual way, that blessed is good. cause it falls in .... i earned it in some way, and it is more like a luck of the draw. then on the other hand, i have been a good girl for a lifetime making good choices. so..... meh. who knows, lol. (see what people have to endure, cause they love me))

i am so damn fluid in life, nothing impedes... life is good.




shhhhhhh.

you know what this OP was really about, woman?

you

you, generally so up beat

you, verbally aggressive, looking in the eyes..... saying i demand, to be heard.

and you......

needing to be heard.

it is all, about you.

[sheshe2]

71. sea...

Yes, GD silenced me yet, you gave me a new way to speak again to be heard, thank you for that and thanks to HoF.

Yes, the voices of sanity and reason are being told to sit down, women don't ya know are to be seen not heard. You again and again, Baines now Tuesday. Time and again silenced for telling the truth. We tell the stories of our history as women I guess many are uncomfortable with that, ah that line from the movie A Few Good Men comes to mind... "You can't handle the truth".


Abuse is a silent crime, many times unreported. So the stats on abuse are far higher than reported. I dare anyone to look me in the eye and unequivocally that no one they know is abused. 'Cause the women, they aren't telling...



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025618824

My husband thought he had me cowering, no he did not and neither will DU. I may have been silent then, I sure as hell will not be now.

Your words...thank you woman.

[freshwest]

49. Well, I would have never seen it there if it wasn't posted here. So now this and that both get Recs!

[sheshe2]

50. When we are silent..

it is permission to allow the abuse. We enable the abuse when we turn our eyes away and pretend that it has not happened, that it does not exist.

For the women, yes sometimes it takes them time to know, oh yes they sure as hell feel it, yet the reaction time knowing the truth and doing something about it will always vary.

Yes, I was silenced yet trust me on this I have no intention of going quietly into the night. Seabeyond is letting my voice be heard here and I love her for that.

thank you freshwest.

[sheshe2]

51. A question to each and everyone of you.

On DU and real life do you know that your sister, mom or loved one a friend perhaps is safe? Do you know for a fact that she is not being abused? You can not know that since this is a silent crime. Many victims do not voice the atrocities against them.

Our abuse is the sounds of silence. We need to stop being silent and you all of you need to be painfully aware of the signs. Stop look and listen to the silence.

[Major Hogwash]

55. Well, I think you know how I feel about this issue.

This is a very hard subject for me to talk about in public on a public message board.
And this also happens to be a very near and dear, personal issue for me.
In real life I have had to undergo a few years of counseling by a professional in order to deal with it.

However, since I am not going to go into depth and talk about it in detail on this public message board, I guess I have no other choice than to have to travel to Boston to tell you in person, in order to inform you how I became so personally involved in domestic violence concerning women a little over 40 years ago.

In other news---
Since I happen to think that it is rather obvious by now -- or perhaps, it should be obvious by now -- I guess I should go ahead and admit publicly that I have been actively running for President of the sheshe2 fan club for some time at this point in time.

And, therefore and to wit, with no further ado, I guess I should also state publicly that I have noticed that there is hardly any competition for the position, so I am just going to go ahead today and declare myself the winner!
What the hell!
So what if Skinner can read this at this stage in the game.

[sheshe2]

72. Hugs for all that you have endured, MH.

I will meet you in Boston then~

And thank you.

she

[seabeyond]

74. i wanna come too.... lol. too much fun.

and boston is a favorite i have to get back for one more visit.

[sheshe2]

75. Let me know!

I would love that...a Boston reunion...

[sheshe2]

76. Please come to Boston~

[Manifestor_of_Light]

52. Yes I care. And it starts with myself.

I have never been hit. My sister had worse husbands than I had, and she told me she had been physically abused like it was a deep dark secret. And said, "Don't tell mom and dad."

However, I have been abused in other ways, usually in subtle ways, with words or putdowns, even sometimes by my own mother or grandmother. Sometimes with years of psychological and emotional abuse by a partner. When I was a doormat and I was not told to stand up to it because nice girls would let men and authority figures control them and tell them what to do.

Men at work telling me I don't know this or that. Men ignoring what I say and then listening to the same exact thing said by a male five minutes later. And doing what the man told them.

Other, more serious abuses from decades in the past. Things that happened to me that we didn't have names for. We didn't have words for them or a way to discuss them. They were known as "bad shit that some men do sometimes to women". Things that women are terrified to report and when they are reported, they are not prosecuted.


Things that because we had no words for it we didn't really have a concept that we were violated. We knew we were hurt but not in a very specific way. Thought it was merely bad judgment on our part, when society was making sure we didn't recognize it as a deep hurt that made us suffer, because we were socialized to seek the approval of men. This was thirty-five, forty years ago.


I didn't discuss this with other women because I didn't feel like I knew any women to talk to that were on my intellectual level. All my good friends were men, nice men. Didn't go to consciousness raising groups. Knew I was a feminist because my parents knew I was brilliant and insisted I go to college, as an equal with men. Attempted to go into my father's profession as if I was a son. But had no group of women I felt I could relate to merely because of my gender. Saw my mother as a housewife who was a victim of the time she lived in and the restricted society she was in.

[seabeyond]

59. tuesday should be tombstoned? which host felt the need for a hide, of list of host names?

and I say this cause the alerter knows who participated in the host thread to lock the SOP, knowing one host was a hof member.

what host needed to come into this forum and alert on a post, that was merely a list of names, that are readily found for duers to view who OUR hosts are in gd.

a host, feeling the need to hide a post in HOF. an alerter, feeling Tuesday earned a tombstone.

do tell me the "stupid". another woman's voice silenced.



that was a travesty of justice, sheshe2. Since lists have been discussed on DU I think I will post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=51644

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is getting stupid. Calling out the GD hosts by listing them and demanding they apologise and unlock an OP is disruptive and nasty, especially since one of the GD hosts is a host of HoF.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Oct 4, 2014, 10:35 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is worth a tombstone. Seriously, WTF?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DECISION

You will no longer be able to participate in this discussion thread, and you will not be able to start a new discussion thread in this forum until 11:35 PM. This hidden post has been added to your <a href="/?com=profile&uid=208784&sub=trans">Transparency page</a>.

IMPORTANT: Hidden posts remain on your Transparency Page for 90 days. If at any time your Transparency Page contains five or more hidden posts there are additional consequences: 1) your Transparency Page will be displayed and can be read by any logged-in member, 2) you will be unable to post until there are fewer than five hidden posts remaining on your Transparency Page, 3) if you are a forum or group Host and/or serving on the Malicious Intruder Removal Team (MIRT), you will lose those privileges.

[marym625]

60. How the FUCK is this off topic?

Some insane people out there.

Bravo! But the original thread and the repost.

Saw the reason for the hide after my post. Still ridiculous reason to hide.

[chervilant]

64. Interestingly enough...

Each and every time I see an OP about women's issues, I end up putting more sexists and misogynists on my IL. (Indeed, a few of the individuals on t's list are on my IL, or have been in the past...)

How cannot men understand that relegating women to 'second class citizenship' is damaging to us all?!? We'll never progress as a species until we eliminate this arbitrary and damaging hierarchy of sexes!

[seabeyond]

65. yes. those of us that have been here over a decade, are well aware of others positions on womans

voice, on du. that simple position.

voice

yes

or

no.

we all know. as the same people know mine.

so yes. it was interesting seeing the list of names. I did not know if there was a list, or it was ..... secret. it was good ot know, there is a list, for all of us to be able to read the names, of who decides what threads are left open. and what threads are locked.

[hlthe2b]

66. Sea.. It is very unfortunate to see that jury hide in this thread, but you should be aware

that both your HOF hosts have been general forum hosts (and members of MIRT in the past). In addition, you'll see other HOF members on the current, on past, and on the GD Forum Host waiting lists. That gives us exactly one opinion each and decisions are made by consensus, which are often far from unanimous. But, it does allow for a broader perspective to be presented and that is important, IMO.

I don't know what the alerter thought they were suggesting in pointing out that I am a current GD host as well as a co-host of HOF. I certainly do my best to leave my biases outside of the GD hosting discussions and have recused myself at times when I felt it appropriate. That does not prevent me or others from presenting a more balanced perspective, however. I certainly have no problem with the list of hosts having been posted here. It is available to all with a single click at the top of the GD forum.

Sheshe has brought very important issues to the forefront of discussion. While the original thread was locked from further discussion in GD, let's make sure that these side issues don't let it be derailed again.

[seabeyond]

67. this... lol, i totally get. cause, i too, have been host and mirt for a lot of my time on DU3.

until all the new rules, lol, when hides affects ones ability to represent du as host and mirt. I always felt a professional responsibility in accepting those positions. I worked hard to be a part of balance. it is also really really clear, the MANY du members that fill that position in the utmost, of professional manner. you being one. I get, you work very very hard to be fair. there are people with all kinds of views, that walk into host and mirt, put the personal aside, and do a kick ass job, and service for du.

yes. I saw members on that list, that would represent womens view. I was heartened, to see members on the list, that would represent our views.

all I am saying, Is I did not know who were hosts, I did not know there was a list, and it was important for me, to see that list.

past experience and voice does matter. which is why the alerter made the statement about hof member.

and a host, chose to alert because of a list. i think it is important we see these things. so we are aware. no more.

i just want it to be really clear. host make there decisions for all kinds of reasons, and i feel mostly in a conscious manner.

(i could have not responded to not take this further down this road. but then, i also wanted people to know that i am not trashing gd host, either.)

[Major Hogwash]

68. Hey bud,

Didn't you even join Iverglas' forum back in 2012 in an attempt to hammer out some of the differences between what some women considered abusive behavior that some other women disagreed with?

[seabeyond]

69. omg...

are you talking almost three yrs ago, lol. and gigglin' away.

there was never reason for animosity, from my perspective, anyway around, one wanted to look at it. it the greater good. i have always known, the win win win.... was always an option.

win for me. win for you. win for us

only if we choose.

but, 2012? who knows, lol. i might need more dots to connect. old brain and all.

[Major Hogwash]

70. Yes, the greater good . . .

Sea, even back then, I had your back.

I knew even back then that long ago, during that horrible time in the spring of 2012 when Iverglas was banned, that you were a peacemaker.
Someone who truly cared, someone who would speak out, someone who would stand up for others.
Someone who knew that "win win win" was always an option.
You are a fantastic person.
And a great woman.

And I am glad to have been given the opportunity to talk to you on this forum.

[seabeyond]

73. "I had your back" ... always.

thank you.

[sheshe2]

77. Got it!

I was looking for an old post of mine.

This is ....

un-fucking believable 'cause we are so incredibly awesome.

RISE RELEASE DANCE!


For International Women's Day~ Rise. Release. Dance!

Repost...

1 Billion Rising for Justice~



ONE IN THREE WOMEN ON THE PLANET WILL BE RAPED OR BEATEN IN HER LIFETIME.

THAT IS ONE BILLION WOMEN.

IN 2013, ONE BILLION WOMEN AND MEN SHOOK THE EARTH THROUGH DANCE TO END VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS.

THIS YEAR, ON 14 FEBRUARY 2014 WE ARE CALLING ON WOMEN AND MEN EVERYWHERE TO HARNESS THEIR POWER AND IMAGINATION TO RISE FOR JUSTICE.

IMAGINE, ONE BILLION WOMEN RELEASING THEIR STORIES, DANCING AND SPEAKING OUT AT THE PLACES WHERE THEY NEED JUSTICE, WHERE THEY NEED AN END TO VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS.

It fell the two times I posted it~

Fuck it! I am a Feminist! Saying ~ ya loud and clear. Never said I was never took it 'cause I didn't know that I deserved it.

I do believe I will make this an OP again tomorrow sea.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024633081#top

[DonCoquixote]

78. while saying fuck more than a few times

gets old, the message does not, and that message was correct, and it did not violate DU's Terms of service, those same rules that seem to get ignored when certain people fell free to personally insult people. If you personally insult the right people, the juries are deaf, with the winning vote being done by that bastion of responsibility, Mr. "No explanation given", a mystical warrior that only shows his face while sipping beer with his bros over on that site that site that DU keeps advertising every time I log on, the site that rhymes with "percussionist."

If you doubt that, check the history is the author of this op. This lady has been the target of bans, which, oddly enough, always seems to get fanfare at that site I just mentioned. Yet, threads that defend "Men's rights" rarely get banned.

I understand that if we get to the point where we do not allow offensive speech, this place will get sterile, but no one will want to play the game if one group of players knows that the ref will call things their way. Part of being a Democrat, and yes, a liberal, is forcing the powers that be that no matter how much they carve and gild their platitudes of fairness, the reality on the streets is very different.