2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLet This Statement From Bernie Sink In, And ASK YOURSELF If You Want This INSANITY To Continue.
Next year, four of the 12 presidents at the regional Federal Reserve Banks will be former executives from one firm: Goldman Sachs.
6:21 PM - 27 Dec 2015
Watch Robert Rubin and Henry Paulson, who were big contributors to our 2007 meltdown, laughing it up over income inequality:
Funny, huh?
Think of what they say and laugh about when NOT on a stage being filmed.
Do we REALLY want another bought-out-by-banks politician to hire more Goldman Sachs employees in key economic positions within the government?
Stop the madness. Reform our Federal Reserve system and break up the big banks.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/28/1464087/-Let-this-statement-from-Bernie-sink-in-and-ask-yourself-if-you-want-this-insanity-to-continue
daleanime
(17,796 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)her 'Ready For 2016' champagne flutes?...........
global1
(25,253 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Bernie should just 'add' two little words underneath '2016'........To Bern!
Now, that makes more sense.........
senz
(11,945 posts)She's pro-upper middle class white woman and child. Period.
And then they pretend that she cares about poc. What a joke!
bvar22
(39,909 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)That is simply not believable coming from someone as fond war as she has proven herself to be.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Money and the people that have it.
Period.
Everything else she says is pure bullshit. In the end all she cares about is more money for herself and her closest friends.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)But I wonder if in this case it isn't more...um.... complicated? than that. Maybe she really DOES care about POC. In fact I think maybe she really does. I don't know for an absolute fact because I do not know her. I only met her once. But I think so.
However, there is this disconnect between what one 'believes' and the consequences of one's actions. That is not saying it quite right (often my problem.. But perhaps you can read between the words of my poorly expressed ideas.)
Or--- the conflict between the two.,. beliefs and actions.--- maybe not even seen.... or....
Then there is the ambition...."How do I balance what I want , in this case power, with what I know is right?"
It all just gets so mixed up in someone's mind.. All of them.. ALL..
EXCEPT for ONE !
Feel free to improve on how I say what I am trying to say, or even disagree. :>
Awknid
(381 posts)They should have more sense.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)and taxpayer bailouts laugh it up at everyone else's expense.
PURE SLIME!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)CorporateMedia Propaganda to soothe our angry hearts as we get FUCKED... Politicians of EVERY Stripe Bought Paid For Owned And Operated By THESE MF'ing Klowns!
Hence the NEED to support Bernie Sanders to break the eggs all over these bastards!
chknltl
(10,558 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)In Which Direction..." FUCK THESE ASSHOLES...
And Which Candidate are these assholes and their former employer Goldman Sachs... Are They fucking supporting?
hint: It Ain't Bernie Sanders!
So If this shit is not enough then i do not and cannot understand WHAT people are thinking if they are not card carrying members of the 1% and are still refusing to support the candidate who is actually NOT BOUGHT by these dirtbags and can be trusted to work on their behalf.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Top drawer PR, Polling, whole TV news networks, paid shills, well-placed data mgmt. firms,
mercenaries, assassins, voting machine companies, endless streams of "experts" to say
whatever on M$M, corporate "fixers" like Kroll, military mercenaries like Blackwater, et. al.
The whole list is quite long.
The whole thing turns my stomach, which is why I support the only candidate who's going
to do anything about it.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Only ONE who has the integrity (accent on the grit) to put a stop to the not-so-royal fucking we've been taking for WAY TOO LONG!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Occupy wanted the American people to know how the economic collapse came about. Occupy wanted Wall Street to understand that we know the identity of the malefactors.
On this one issue, you are either with us or against us. I hate to feel that way but that's just the way it is.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)with Occupy, and remember it all too well. Nationally coordinated, FBI-driven, mass arrests,
out-of-control police violence, all under the nose of Hope & Change POTUS who seemed to
barely notice. yep.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)But just look at it. That is where we are.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)I sure do. I wonder how much the police that inflicted unconstitutional police brutality and other unconstitutional stuff on Occupy like they were card carrying members of ISIS or something, Had to pay out when all the unlawful arrests were prosecuted?
To me it shows the ugly man behind America's totalitarian corporate curtain.
"Step out of line the man come and take you away."
It seems like my generation of boomers wrought this mess, it is us baby boomers that should be out there "loving the cops as they kick the shit out of us in the streets" and not the young people my generation has wrecked the future upon.
-90% Jimmy
Frank Zappa: The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It looks like something akin to the Arab Spring could never happen herenot enough freedom.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)Yuck, Yuck, silly poor people tricks are for the rich folks, when they panned out I thought I saw Hillary off stage to the left Whooping it up too.... but maybe that was just my eyes/mind playing tricks.... wouldn't be surprised though.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And another asked from which direction?
tblue37
(65,408 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Like something out of a movie.
senz
(11,945 posts)no soul, no shame. They love their money more than they love their connection to the human race, to nature, to the fact of life itself. They've lost the connection to everything else.
They are failures but they don't know it.
I like the way Chief Seattle put it:
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...when we were talking about the infiltration of corporate money into our political system.
I was railing that Big Pharma allows deadly drugs on the market, Big Banks are running roughshod over our economy, Big Ag is serving up tainted food and lax food-safety regulations.
I said, "Are they trying to kill us?"
My husband looked at me deadpan and said, "Honey, they don't care enough about you to try and kill you. They aren't trying to kill us. The just don't care if we die."
I mean...is he right or is he right?
We aren't even a thought in their heads. They just want to make the cash. As much and as fast as possible. They're not trying to do anything to us. They could care less about us. But, if during their profit making, some of us happen to die. Well...ok, whatever.
That about sums it up.
senz
(11,945 posts)It's not like they're bloodthirsty killers, but it's not like they're fully functioning, intact human beings, either. There is a deadness of soul in them. I could put this in spiritual terms, but some of my favorite people on DU happen to be atheists, so I think it can also be expressed psychologically and philosophically. Because no matter what context we choose, the problem remains: these people are not fully human. They either had it and lost it or never had it. They could have been emotionally deprived as children or they may be naturally somewhat psychopathic. Psychologists now discuss psychopathy as a spectrum, noting how those high but not wildly high on the scale can be quite successful in business, finance, law, etc.
But something's missing.
I am amazed that anyone who condones the behavior we saw in that video could call themselves a Democrat. And yet we know plenty who do right here.
Okay, it's late and I'm getting too tired to think. But I do want to say that I think you and your husband found intelligent spouses. I'm always impressed by your comments.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)But they are investing money to make sure that option isn't available to us
tecelote
(5,122 posts)"They aren't trying to kill us. The just don't care if we die."
So true!
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)If one is invested in Wall St, one is a corporation. And no, they do not care who is harmed by their actions as long as they are paid.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I know there was video and audio of the Enron traders laughing their pants off over the fact that a raging Calif. wildfire was going to take out the power grid and really fuck over everyone in that area.
So some of them are totally sadistic, and enjoy that we are getting hurt.
I really don't know which is worse, that some people are maiming and killing while making money and never think about it for one moment, or that others are sadistically motivated. If you kill someone but don't realize it, that person is just as dead.
flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)She and her family and friends just LOVE living that high, high, lifestyle while they pretend -- with a wink and a chuckle and a smug, smug smile -- to care what happens to the rest of us.
These people -- the 1% -- do not care whom they hurt. It's all just "funny" to them. HAHAHAHA
Bernie knows that PEOPLE MATTER. Bernie knows that human beings are worth something.
The well-dressed animals who use government resources to advance themselves at the expense of the vast working and middle classes have turned this country upside down, and Bernie wants to put it right side up again so that everyone can have a degree of security and basic comfort here on earth.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Response to Segami (Original post)
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Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Didn't we used to put people like that in.... you know.... *jail*?
Sheeeeez. Someone wake me when this is over.
Not BEFORE. *AFTER*. Please
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Isn't that just dandy?
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)An excellent reason, one of many, to support Sanders over Clinton. Thanks.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)As it stands we live in a kleptocracy. I was naive enough to believe electing Obama would fix it. Yeah, I feel pretty stupid now.
That is why I see Bernie Sanders as the only possible solution.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And no: we don't want this insanity to continue.
pengu
(462 posts)"Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice . . . you dont. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own, and control the corporations. Theyve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying . . . lobbying, to get what they want . . . Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but Ill tell you what they dont want . . . they dont want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They dont want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. Theyre not interested in that . . . that doesnt help them. Thats against their interests. Thats right. They dont want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly theyre getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin' years ago. They dont want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers . . . Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now theyre coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? Theyll get it . . . theyll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fuckin' place. Its a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club. By the way, its the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesnt matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means . . . continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who dont give a fuck about you. They dont give a fuck about you . . . they dont give a fuck about you. They dont care about you at all . . . at all . . . at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. Its called the American Dream cause you have to be asleep to believe it . . .
Segami
(14,923 posts)In a nutshell, this little laugh session speaks volumes.
They have theirs and everyone else can go f*ck themselves.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)I was going to ask, "When did he say this?" but realized that was kinda George's point. It doesn't matter.
Thanks for posting it, and welcome to DU!
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)It's a term that suggests we (i.e., "the left" want everybody to be earning the same amount of money, regardless of what they do. Nobody wants that!
I think it's one of those loaded terms (e.g., "pro-life," "job creators" that conservatives and their puppets in the media use to frame their arguments.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I use the phrase "radical income inequity." Still not optimal... However, I have to wonder why it's anathema to "want everybody to be earning the same amount of money"?
Actually, IMHO, our economic behavior has long been geared towards enabling a small number of people (starting with ONE: the chieftain of the tribe) to amass enough wealth to "lead" the masses. And, somehow, our species is willing to support this arbitrary socio-cultural construct of economic hierarchy, as long as the majority of our species can live comfortably, and as long as the majority of our species can ignore the fraction of our brethren who are literally starving to death.
Maybe, just maybe, we're ripe for a sea change. I'd sure like to know that our species has enough compassion to work towards the economic "health" of us all.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)I think people want to believe that they can earn more money by gaining expertise, or by getting better at what they do, or by working harder than other people. I know I want to believe that.
I wish I shared your optimism.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Sometimes the optimist; sometimes the misanthrope...
Cal33
(7,018 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Nothing but love for both of them.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)A fishmonger? Perhaps a baker? Who is "pure" enough for you Bernouts to be on the Fed?
Spoiler alert: people who go to college to become financial managers, and complete their series seven, are not going to be ideologically pure enough for you. So I'm guessing no bankers, investment managers, or financial planners.
Would an economist be good enough for you? The likes of Robert Reich? You know he served as Secretary of Labor under the Bill Clinton administration? The same administration I keep hearing was just as bad as Reagan. Probably a disqualifier, eh Bernouts?
No one is going to be good enough for you. You want Bernard, or maybe Michael Moore to be the people in charge of monetary policy? Yeah, that's probably good enough for you.
cali
(114,904 posts)Believe it or not, there are eminent economists and qualified people not affiliated with big banks or corporations.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)I can't find a single person who has ever worked in the private sector, and understand economics of capital, that you won't attack as a corporatist.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)Indydem
(2,642 posts)From Wikipedia:
"Stiglitz joined the Clinton Administration in 1993, serving first as a member during 19931995, and then appointed Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers on June 28, 1995, in which capacity he also served as a member of the cabinet. He became deeply involved in environmental issues, which included serving on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and helping draft a new law for toxic wastes (which was never passed).
Stiglitz's most important contribution in this period was helping define a new economic philosophy, a "third way", which postulated the important, but limited, role of government, that unfettered markets often did not work well, but that government was not always able to correct the limitations of markets. The academic research that he had been conducting over the preceding 25 years provided the intellectual foundations for this "third way"."
Bwa ha ha! The guy you want to appoint is the architect of the "Turd Way."
I, literally, cannot control my laughter.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)-In 2012, Stiglitz described the European austerity plans as a "suicide-pact."
-Stiglitz warned that the Trans-Pacific Partnership presented "grave risks" and it "serves the interests of the wealthiest."
-In Freefall: America, Free Markets, and the Sinking of the World Economy, Stiglitz discusses the causes of the 2008 recession/depression and goes on to propose reforms needed to avoid a repetition of a similar crisis, advocating government intervention and regulation in a number of areas. Among the policy-makers he criticises are George W. Bush, Larry Summers, and Barack Obama.
-The Roaring Nineties is Stiglitz' analysis of the boom and bust of the 1990s. Presented from an insider's point of view, firstly as chair of President Clinton's Council of Economic Advisors, and later as chief economist of the World Bank, it continues his argument on how misplaced faith in free-market ideology led to the global economic issues of today, with a perceptive focus on US policies.
-The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future is a 2012 book by Joseph Stiglitz that deals with income inequality in the United States. He attacks the growing wealth disparity and the effects it has on the economy at large.
-etc...
And more recently (2011)
"We now recognize that especially after the crisis, unregulated market can not work. We need both government and markets," said Stiglitz, Nobel Laureate in Economic Sciences and professor with the Columbia University.
He made the remarks at the 16th World Congress of the International Economic Association (IEA) held at Tsinghua University -- where world renowned economists gathered for the five-day congress.
There is no single Third Way...
Indydem
(2,642 posts)All I have to hear about is how terrible Hillary Clinton is because she has evolved on positions, and her original positions just weren't God damn good enough!
Right here in this thread, Bernouts attack Robert Rubin, even though his economic policies helped build the successes of the 1990s, because he worked for Citibank.
But your guy, who developed the "third way" that I keep hearing is sooooooo terrible is ok, because he modified his positions since then?
Ok. I hope, sincerely, that you can live with your intellectual inconsistancy.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)its not really an issue for me.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Paul Krugman,
Robert Reich,
Alan Blinder,
Dean Baker
Joseph Stiglitz
Robert Kuttner
To name a few. Did you actually think there were none?
And if you think Hillary will actually appoint someone like Paul Krugman you are living in a pipe dream.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-coates/calling-progressive-econo_b_1142882.html
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)disaster of Paulson, Summers, Rubin, and Greenspan, simply by asking who else? As if these assholes are our only choices. They looted the 99% and I am guessing you approve. Let me guess, you really miss Ronald Reagan.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Isn't that the same "jolly" fellow behind Bush?
That any Democrat could even contemplate voting for a champion of the .1% is appalling.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, Segami.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)THIS S--T needs to stop!! And out ain't gonna stop with HRC because these are the people who support her!
WHY can't people see this?? For me it's mind boggling, but there are those here who EMPHATICALLY support this way of governing!
Cary
(11,746 posts)That's not true. You're not listening to what other people are saying, and that's why you're not effective.
You can attack me for being that messenger and I'm sure you will. You will not be the first, nor the last.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)"cut it out"
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Could Hillary be any more dishonest? Can we have another person addicted to lying in the White House again. We don't need another Bush term. And no he doesn't seem reasonable because he's not as outwardly racist as the new crop of charlatan's.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Government Sachs...
Although I much prefer Matt Tiabbi's description of them far better.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Fuck no!!
Blanks
(4,835 posts)According to the documentary, the writing was on the wall before he even got there.
Say what you want about the bankers, but I'm sure banking is like politics, you don't just grab someone off the street (Trump) to solve the problems. You have to get the people who know the industry to fix it.
As economic disasters go, the 'Great Recession' could have been every bit as disastrous as the Great Depression, and it wasn't. The difference was the intervention from the bankers. That's not me supporting bankers, that's just the way it is.
Certainly, there should have been more programs bailing out the working class and less programs bailing out the bankers, but that's congress fault.
I don't think it's productive hating on the bankers, the system is broke. Even if the system gets fixed, there won't be any justice to those who have exploited it. Just like they aren't going to put anyone from the Bush administration on trial for war crimes, it sucks, but dwelling on it, letting it piss you off, it's just a waste of time.
It's best to move on, and work toward making the future better.