Datagate: 2008 Hillary Team Tried To Steal Data From Obama

[Unknown Beatle]

2015 DNC accuses Sanders team of trying to steal data from Hillary and prevents Sanders team from accessing their own data.

Those are the facts.

Now, in that window of time that DWS denied access to team Sanders from getting into his data, it's very possible that team Hillary used that time to download the Sanders data and use it to their advantage, just like they tried to do in 2008 from Obama. But, unlike 2008, this time they could easily cover their tracks because of the time they used in denying access to data to team Sanders.

It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[Jarqui]

1. In October, 2015 Sanders campaign alleges another campaign took their data

(~ 30 second mark)
"We're actually very confident that some of our data was lost to one of the other campaigns"

[sufrommich]

12. This is their opportunity to prove their allegation.

Show us the email expressing that concern.

[Jarqui]

15. Prove it to who?

A DNC who is a wing of the Clinton campaign? Why waste their time?

[sufrommich]

18. How about they prove it to everybody

who's now seen the Sanders campaign make this allegation over and over again with zero proof to back it up. They can bypass the DNC and release it to the media.

[Jarqui]

21. That's a really interesting question

Josh Uretsky tried to get proof this time when previous efforts of just reporting the problem to the DNC didn't seem to get the Sanders campaign anywhere towards permanently solving the security problem. They fired him for it and everyone is pointing the fickle finger of fate at "evil" Josh (who did precisely what I would have done in the same circumstances - get evidence).

[sufrommich]

24. The Sanders campaign just suspended 2 more staffers,if this is much

ado about nothing,they're doing it wrong.

Yes Uretsky is making the claim that he was only doing it to "prove" that the system was flawed,which seems even more reason for the campaign to prove that they had warned about it in the past.So far,all they've offered as proof of this is blustering about it to the media. If their going to make the allegation over and over again,it's time to reveal their proof of these allegations.

[tecelote]

28. Hillary agreed to an independent investigation.

Although server logs are easy to manipulate, the emails will need to be coordinated with the staff computers of each campaign and they are harder to manipulate.

A full independent investigation should be done as soon as possible. Don't you agree?

[sufrommich]

30. Yes,I agree.

"the emails will need to be coordinated with the staff computers of each campaign and they are harder to manipulate.". I'm not sure what you mean here,I've only seen the Sanders campaign claim that they reported flaws in the system to the DNC,did I miss something?

[tecelote]

34. I looked for the mention but could not find it.

I had heard that the investigation would go back to when they first started accessing data and that the email trail between campaigns would need to be verified.

[Perogie]

31. I think Sanders campaign laid a trap

They know their data was compromised. DNC glosses over it and "assures" Sanders that the firewall is restored. It isn't corrected, so they do a little sight of hand. They didn't go in for a big data dump. They carefully selected a small group of data and left a big footprint by creating a file using Sanders in it.

Of course they let go some people to put some water on the news cycle while they file a suit against the DNC.

Having subpoena power they can force the DNC to reveal what really happened.

My opinion is that HRC campaign stole a big chunk of data from Sanders.

What I use to back up that opinion is that the DNS and DWS did nothing when Sanders data was breached.

[Jarqui]

35. Courts take time

Iowa is going to be over long before they can do anything seriously legal now - given how they've handled it. The Clinton campaign and DNC will run out the clock on that.

I don't think the Sanders campaign is a scheming one. They strike me as pretty straight up folks trying to win on the issues, etc.

[TIME TO PANIC]

2. I wouldn't put it past them.

[Thinkingabout]

3. There is good information Sanders campaign has stolen information from the

Hillary campaign. There will be an audit and the findings will be reported. The findings may result in criminal investigations also.

[Chan790]

17. Concerned about which vice-chair will be responsible for administration of the independent audit.

Hiring the auditing firm, making sure the bills get paid, that nobody interferes with the audit, etc.

I suspect DWS will appoint herself...but she should legitimately be an investigatory target of the audit along with all the campaigns, their candidates, the vendor (NGP VAN) and their leadership so that would be inappropriate. Out of everybody involved, I actually more suspect her than anybody in the Sanders or Clinton campaign of actual criminal misconduct as opposed to errors of judgement or errors of ineptitude.

There is no such thing as a truly independent audit when the audited is paying the bills, so to speak.

[Thinkingabout]

19. Maybe you are overwhelming yourself with too much conspiracy thinking

There is a problem, Sanders has fired one staff member and he said if more is shown to be involved he will fire them also. Sanders is not happy this has occurred. I don't doubt Sanders will follow through. DWS will also, honor should be number one.

[Chan790]

37. I used to conduct these kinds of audits for NPOs.

I'm not so much being conspiratorial as concerned about the appearance and attainment of legitimacy. It's very easy, even where nothing inappropriate happened during the events and situation that led to the audit, for people to do dumb, illegal or inappropriate things during the audit because it's revelations go in a different direction than they expected or hoped.

I basically have no faith in DWS that if during this audit it comes to attention that someone or someones in the Clinton campaign or DNC structure did something that they should not have, that she will try to suppress it in an attempt to waylay a larger scandal or to shield the candidate she has a clear preference for.

Brazile, Rybak, Gabbard, Durazo or Buckley should be tasked with administration of the audit, not Wasserman-Schultz, so that there can be no questions in the aftermath that she attempted to direct the outcome or interfered when the results weren't matched to her expectations. She has too much of a reputation for dishonorable politics and gamesmanship to be involved in this process.

[Thinkingabout]

42. Do you have any faith in Sanders?

[Chan790]

43. Yes, but I wouldn't have him in any administrative role that involves this audit.

Nobody from the Clinton or O'Malley campaign either.

This entire exchange has nothing to do with Sanders (or Clinton or O'Malley)...it's about why DWS should have no administrative role in an auditory investigation that if done correctly her office and staff is an investigatory focus of, as much as the campaigns of the candidates and NGP VAN. She needs to be in no role that could allow her to interfere with this independent audit...or else it's not really independent.

You can't be both the authority under whose supervision an audit is conducted and a target of that audit. I'm pretty sure you knew that...but you're being willfully obtuse because it doesn't serve your agenda to beat up on Sanders by conceding the obvious.

[Thinkingabout]

44. Independent audit.

[AgingAmerican]

20. Show this 'good information' that you magically acquired

[Thinkingabout]

22. I can look at Sanders response of firing a staff member, he knows there has been

A breach, how did Sanders magically know there was a breach? The audit will provide the information also. Sanders made a statement and he will take further action, he is not excusing the actions.

[AgingAmerican]

23. One more time: show this 'good information' that you have magically acquired?

[Thinkingabout]

25. I explained, go ask Sanders what information did he use to fire his staffer.

Bye

[The Boss]

26. In other words, no facts again.

Just something that pulled out from your nether regions.

Did you hear that NGP-VAN said NO DATA WAS STOLEN.

That is more than enough for me to run an audit on them, and expect to find multiple instances of data breach on Bernie's data.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Don't attack me and don't badger me, I gave the information, go ask Sanders

The audit will happen.

[The Boss]

29. Oh, I agree the audit will happen.

But I gave you facts, and you perceive it as an attack.

Bye.

[Perogie]

33. Those are the facts

NG VAN stated that NO data was taken by the Sanders Campaign. They only built some files using SANDERS in the name of the file. This was done purposely. It was done to show the breach didn't get fixed.
The audit will prove it.

[cui bono]

40. Link to this "good information" please.

As the IT company said no data was stolen...

Thanks!

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[leftofcool]

4. Nope, the logs show different. Nice try! Keep spinning.

[Unknown Beatle]

5. That's just it, they had enough time to hide it after the fact.

The logs are from when Sanders team was accused if theft, but what about the logs after that? They had enough time to hide it.

[Renew Deal]

13. Let the conspiracies go

[Bluenorthwest]

6. According to the company that caused all of this by claiming to have skills they lack.

I'm sorry but they have a vested interest in self protection so their word is not to be taken as evidence in and of itself. That's why Sanders filed suit, that way it all comes out in the light of day.

[wildeyed]

7. Yep, just an opinion.

And you know what they say about opinions. Everyone's got one

[Unknown Beatle]

8. Well, I have to add "Just an opinion"

to protect myself from overzealous Hillary fans who are quick to alert on anything they perceive to be a slight.

[wildeyed]

10. Or quick to point out that posting opinions as facts

is stupid. Not to put too fine a point on it.

[wyldwolf]

9. "DNC accuses Sanders team of trying to steal data"

Bernie just admitted this in the debate. This isn't an accusation, it's a fact.

[Renew Deal]

16. There's a lot of denial

The evil others are at fault. The fact that the campaign admitted wrong doing, fired people, and apologized means nothing. It's Hillary's fault.

[sufrommich]

11. Oh my God.

[Renew Deal]

14. Your subject line is a lie. It's made up.

[upaloopa]

32. We're back to making shit up

I guess the debate was a nice interlude. A brief respite.

Now back to the juvenile "Hillary did this, Hillary is that."

You should conduct an online poll so you can get confirmation that what you just invented out of whole cloth is fact.

[Unknown Beatle]

41. If they did it in 2008, what makes you think they didn't do it again this time?

Even SNL had a skit about the DNC sabotaging Bernie Sanders for Hillary. Yes, I know, it's a comedy skit, but SNL is known for portraying the truth through comedy.

The first few seconds...

[brooklynite]

36. Remind me who Barack Obama appointed as SOS?

[Dem2]

38. "Hillary used that time to download the Sanders data and use it to their advantage"

Cuz I imagine it could happen. So there, right?

[Matariki]

39. The question that needs to be asked is why those permission 'firewalls' kept going down

And doesn't having a former Clinton employee and a nephew of Wasserman Schultz managing the data kind of point to a suspicious conflict of interests?