2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders’ biggest limitation
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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-biggest-limitationBy Alex Seitz-Wald
BALTIMORE Bernie Sanders came to a poor black neighborhood here for a photo op. He left with a PR problem.
The Vermont senator and Democratic presidential hopeful toured the Sandtown-Winchester neighborhood on Tuesday where Freddie Gray was arrested earlier this year to highlight racial injustice. Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think youre a wealthy nation, you would think youre in a third-world country, he said.
Sanders spent about 25 minutes walking past boarded-up houses surrounded by an enormous mass of reporters who swarmed to capture images of the presidential candidate among the urban blight. But back at a community center, where Sanders met with black pastors before a press conference, what stood out from the day was the unusual request from his spokesperson: Stay on topic, Symone Sanders asked. Dont ask about ISIS. Its not on topic.
No one seemed eager to ask about the terror group (Donald Trumps proposal to ban Muslim immigrants was the topic du jour). But now feeling compelled, a CNN reporter asked if Sanders was trying to avoid the topic. You want to ask me about ISIS? Sander bristled, flanked by black pastors. We will talk about ISIS, he replied tersely before quickly leaving the podium and ending the press conference.
Sanders flash of anger made headlines and threatened to overshadow the substance of the event. Pastors wanted to make sure the topic of the day did not get lost. I asked press to stay on topic at a presser & they troll me, Symone Sanders tweeted in defense.
Frustration with the press may be longstanding for Sanders, but its particularly acute now that the political discussion has moved to the less friendly terrain of national security, revealing the limitations of a candidate who has spent decades honing a single message he is reluctant to change. One of Sanders biggest strengths is his consistency, but it comes with an inflexibility that can makes him appear brittle.
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MaggieD
(7,393 posts)He is entirely unsuitable to be president. And I am gratified that the polls and endorsements show most people agree.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Response to MrWendel (Original post)
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm impressed with the depth of your historical knowledge.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,907 posts)This is just the newest incarnation.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #10)
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uppityperson
(115,681 posts)paint by numbers would be a more productive hobby
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uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Sometimes the whole cheerfulness thing is overdone, but be glad for who and what you have.
Catch you again, I am sure.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Response to uppityperson (Reply #8)
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Trajan
(19,089 posts)Different story, same fair use violation problem
Turned out that he obtained permission from the author to post the entire story, but it's apparent this poster doesn't understand Fair Use rules ..
daleanime
(17,796 posts)he's not part of the system. But have a lovely day anyways.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)So now they have to make new threads hoping people won't bother fighting back. It's all about the narrative.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Hillary as the goldwater girl when she was in high school 54 years ago.
angrychair
(8,767 posts)That people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones when you harp on Bernie being an independent despite voting with Dems 98% of the time. In fact, in his career, he has voted in favor of Dem bills more often than most Dems.
That aside, Many Dems and Independents and teapublicans were one or the other at some point in their life. Including your candidate. Who alligned herself to more teapublicans that just Goldwater. She is likely the only person in modern times to run as a Democrat for the office of President that has also attended a RNC presidential convention as a Republican (in fairness, it was this event that caused her to leave the teapublican party for good).
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... for 25 years, only to turn around and be a rank opportunist who all the sudden wants to be a Dem, because it's convenient to take advantage of the party system to advance his own agenda.
angrychair
(8,767 posts)and you may not like his criticism of the Democratic Party but he has been a loyal Dem ally for decades. He doesn't pretend to like some DINOs in Congress. He isn't a DINO like Lieberman was or certain other "Democrats" who vote with teapublicians.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)IMO, he's been a giant waste of time. He doesn't play nice with others, which is why no one will co-sponsor his bills, nor endorse him for president. And he has been hugely ineffective as a result.
angrychair
(8,767 posts)"Despite the fact that the most right-wing Republicans in a generation controlled the House of Representatives between 1994 and 2006, the member who passed the most amendments during that time was not a right-winger like Bob Barr or John Boehner. The amendment king was, instead, Bernie Sanders.
Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans."
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you
99Forever
(14,524 posts)...this bucket o'fail has been tried several times. They didn't hold water either.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)There have been approximately 30 failed attempts to twist this issue into a negative for Bernie.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Rovian tactics come naturally to dirty campaigners.
Lilith Rising
(184 posts)not only have I not made an OP on this subject (or any Bernie/Hillary subject) I haven't even made so much as a comment about this incident.
So, no, it's NOT just the way we roll.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)rinse and repeat
MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)maybe I would have that.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)But for some reason IOKIYABSS.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I do ... We discussed fair use yesterday, and you still committed the violation, after the fact ...
It's time for you to go ...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)All multiple times.
You know that this isn't *chan board, and we can see that all these posts are coming from the same small group of people, right?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)brooklynite
(95,164 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Not republicans hiding from any public press questions like they ALWAYS do or only using fox- their RW TV.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)would have divided the time into the Baltimore topic and all other issues.
Say first 15 minutes about the event and anything goes thereafter.
Alas ....
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)don't ask my candidate about the elephant! And then, of course, that is all anyone wants to ask about. For what it is worth, I would have been happier if he HAD been able to talk about racial injustice. But this was a self inflicted wound.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... "self-inflicted" or otherwise, outside of Camp Weathervane's creepy imagination. Bernie put that punk Hillary plant in his place.
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99Forever
(14,524 posts)FUCK THE PRESS. Corrupt assholes. Spin away, smart guy.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Fuck the press and spelling tips? Come on! You gotta hit harder than that for this to be fun. Oh well, try putting your back into it next time.
And it's smart girl, BTW
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Low hanging fruit.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)You start shit, don't be a baby when you don't like what you get.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)That's crushing!
It's like being back on the playground.
Nanny nanny boo boo.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)MrWendel
(1,881 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:58 PM - Edit history (1)
showing up to a photo op in the first place? Lets be clear. He was there to shed light on a very important issue but lets not pretend that he doesn't pander to the media like everyone else in this election.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)... for one of the cops. He scheduled his photo op for then because he knew he'd get the press because the national press was already in town. He's a politician just like any other.
Juicy_Bellows
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