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votesparks

(1,288 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:33 PM Nov 2015

The Hillary Is Inevitable Argument

really doesn't help Hillary Clinton at all. Americans love underdogs and hate being told that anything has already decided. If my candidate is polling first, the last thing I want to do would be to constantly tout their inevitability, as it turns Americans off, especially undecided ones.

Just sayin'.

That being said, please continue to proclaim loudly to the world that the nomination and presidency of Hillary Clinton is inevitable.

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The Hillary Is Inevitable Argument (Original Post) votesparks Nov 2015 OP
First and foremost, Hillary supporters shouldn't take any advice from people backing the guy DanTex Nov 2015 #1
Keep talking votesparks Nov 2015 #2
You too. Stay the course. It's working out great for Hillary. DanTex Nov 2015 #5
Yes, especially since corporate media tries their best over and over... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #13
She certainly shouldn't listen to the guy who has made up about 30 points on her in just 8 months Kentonio Nov 2015 #24
I agree Dem2 Nov 2015 #3
"Quietly enjoy"? Codeine Nov 2015 #14
That is rich Robbins Nov 2015 #15
I don't think in "DU" Dem2 Nov 2015 #49
I understand how Sanders supporters can wince when pro-Hillary Clinton posts BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #4
I know our local group is having a helluva time finding minorities interested in Bernie votesparks Nov 2015 #7
I'm NOT saying there aren't any. I'm saying there aren't *enough*. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #9
We're seeing lots more minorities join the campaign votesparks Nov 2015 #10
I wish your county group the best of luck! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #12
I wish everyone the best votesparks Nov 2015 #45
She did awesome at BET last night, lol Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #28
Why be so sarcastic? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #37
Sorry but every so often Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #38
The attacks make Hillary stronger. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #6
"Attacks" = Facts 99Forever Nov 2015 #18
Her poll numbers show otherwise. Her endorsements show otherwise. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #19
The fail is yours. 99Forever Nov 2015 #20
Here's a fun fact: Whatever it is you're doing isn't working. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #21
"Working" on what? 99Forever Nov 2015 #22
Thank you for proving my point. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #25
Whatever the fuck your point was. 99Forever Nov 2015 #26
Your efforts to turn Bernie into a candidate that can be nominated aren't working. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #30
.... 99Forever Nov 2015 #32
Which ones? I know there's a lot to choose from, so be specific. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #33
Argument ad populum, again? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #27
Does not apply. None of my friends are Bernie supporters. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #36
... ColesCountyDem Nov 2015 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #40
That was mean mcar Nov 2015 #42
I thought something seemed fishy. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #43
It did seem to be on a mission mcar Nov 2015 #44
It's also incorrect, because I am a Sanders' supporter. ColesCountyDem Nov 2015 #47
I don't think allegiances were his concern mcar Nov 2015 #48
We have her right where we want her. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #8
Exactly Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #23
You have 4 months till Super Tuesday. You've peaked months ago. upaloopa Nov 2015 #35
If I weren't so cynical about the way polls have been used in the past Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #46
Clinton doesn't make that argument at all BainsBane Nov 2015 #11
Right? 1. make up an argument 2. attibute the argument to Clinton 3. Attack her for the argument Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #17
How dare you cast doubt Her Presumptuousness!! Just who do you think you are? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #16
Oh Yeah! Faux pas Nov 2015 #29
Madam President nt upaloopa Nov 2015 #34
I agree. The inevitable/coronation theme is poison for the Clinton campaign and so many of her Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #41

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
1. First and foremost, Hillary supporters shouldn't take any advice from people backing the guy
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:38 PM
Nov 2015

trailing by 25 points in the polls and with odds at 5% in the prediction markets. Thanks anyway.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
13. Yes, especially since corporate media tries their best over and over...
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:01 PM
Nov 2015

For as many times as I see an Op/Ed that parrots the same talking points and makes it so obvious that only one candidate should be talked about...

You'd think with that much influence of everything rolled up and thrown at our front doors and spoken on the same corporately in front of our eyes, that there would be a larger spread.

So, let's keep looking at that, because it's not only the best thing she has going for her leadership skill set, it's the ONLY thing.... including the cute way you can use fonts on DU.

^I^F ^T^H^A^T AINT TELLING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS...

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
24. She certainly shouldn't listen to the guy who has made up about 30 points on her in just 8 months
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:48 PM
Nov 2015

I happen to like that kind of poll direction.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
3. I agree
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

Be humble and quietly enjoy that your candidate of choice is ahead at any give time.

Cockiness = Foolishness.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
14. "Quietly enjoy"?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:01 PM
Nov 2015

Dude, this place trends about 85% pro-Sanders. GDP is an endless barrage of negativity toward Clinton and toward her supporters. Juries regularly reflect the Sanders bias when judging alerts.

Clinton's fans don't need to feel bad about posting links to the polls where she's winning.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
15. That is rich
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:17 PM
Nov 2015

considering bernie supporters have been called sexists and racists.

Clinton supports are quick to report on anything to go after bernie supporters.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
49. I don't think in "DU"
Mon Nov 23, 2015, 01:38 AM
Nov 2015

I see both sides attacking each other while claiming "it's OK, the other side is worse." It's unsavory, no doubt. And I've seen several messages within jury decisions that say they vote based on their bias, which is indescribably wrong. However, I try not to consider the bias of the site when I post, so what I posted was my opinion without consideration of the current state of this particular site.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
4. I understand how Sanders supporters can wince when pro-Hillary Clinton posts
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

appear, cheering her on. But you need to understand that that happens among Sanders supporters, as well, and we take it in stride and don't wag fingers at our fellow DUers for doing it.

Also, Hillary Clinton is ONLY "inevitable" in that she's holding up strongly amongst minorities, and Sanders isn't making any inroads there. Without the minority vote, he just cannot win the Democratic Party's nomination. He just can't.

Otherwise, should he say or do something that suddenly has minorities flip from Clinton to him (a la Obama), he will be the inevitable winner of the Democratic nomination, and I, for one, wouldn't begrudge Sanders supporters for cheering him on.

His supporters should better direct their energy toward wooing minorities to support their candidate rather than excoriate Hillary Clinton supporters for being happy that their preferred candidate is doing so well. In the end, I would hope that everyone at DU will support whoever worked hardest to win the Democratic Party's presidential primary.

votesparks

(1,288 posts)
7. I know our local group is having a helluva time finding minorities interested in Bernie
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:53 PM
Nov 2015

Just look at our group from last Monday's rally in Cleveland!

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
9. I'm NOT saying there aren't any. I'm saying there aren't *enough*.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:48 PM
Nov 2015

Poll after poll after poll show strong support among African Americans, Hispanic/Latino Americans, and Asian Americans for Hillary Clinton, not Bernie Sanders.

But if you want to share photos...



Among African-Americans, Hillary Clinton gets 80% support.

votesparks

(1,288 posts)
10. We're seeing lots more minorities join the campaign
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:54 PM
Nov 2015

Our county group of active volunteers is actually over-represented by minorities in proportion to the population here. Great success canvassing minority communities here too.

votesparks

(1,288 posts)
45. I wish everyone the best
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

that's why I offered the suggestion.

Best to you and yours, and to all in the world!

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
28. She did awesome at BET last night, lol
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:57 PM
Nov 2015

Oh that's right, she can afford to ignore that audience. It will be the same if she gets the nomination, I feel sorry for the people that get taken in by her.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
38. Sorry but every so often
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 05:25 PM
Nov 2015

I have to but at least I am not mean by calling supporters racist or have Stockholm syndrome.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. The attacks make Hillary stronger.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

I have every confidence in her. Thank you to the Bernie fans who help to strengthen our candidate and our resolve! I love you all.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
19. Her poll numbers show otherwise. Her endorsements show otherwise.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:11 PM
Nov 2015

Tell me again whose campaign is failing? Here's an Honey Boo-Boo picture that made me laugh:



99Forever

(14,524 posts)
20. The fail is yours.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:34 PM
Nov 2015

The inability to distinguish the difference between facts you don't want spoken of and actual attacks.

Get back to me when you figure it out.

Fuck a whole bunch of polls.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. Here's a fun fact: Whatever it is you're doing isn't working.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:39 PM
Nov 2015
"Fuck a whole bunch of polls." Yes, I know. It's frustrating, isn't it?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
22. "Working" on what?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:45 PM
Nov 2015

What's "frustrating" is trying to figure out just what the fuck you are talking about.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
32. ....
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015

You are true to your namesake, Edie Falco's character. You seem to share a lot of her personal traits.

Response to NurseJackie (Reply #31)

Response to ColesCountyDem (Reply #39)

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
43. I thought something seemed fishy.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 07:18 PM
Nov 2015

Almost as if someone was on a mission. Of ALL the replies, in ALL of the posts, in ALL of the topics, in ALL of this website ... it seemed odd this his very first post was to snark at me. What are the odds of that? (Or maybe I'm just lucky.)

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
8. We have her right where we want her.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:55 PM
Nov 2015

It's American to root for the underdog. So the more unbeatable her PR team makes her out to be, the easier it will be to establish a counter-culture offensive.

Okay. Maybe I watched Billy Jack at an impressionable age.

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
46. If I weren't so cynical about the way polls have been used in the past
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 09:18 PM
Nov 2015

to depress voter turn-out, I might be worried.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
11. Clinton doesn't make that argument at all
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015

She makes clear she has to EARN each and every vote, and she is working hard to achieve that.

Being ahead in the polls is not inevitability. Nothing is inevitable, particularly in politics.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
17. Right? 1. make up an argument 2. attibute the argument to Clinton 3. Attack her for the argument
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:56 PM
Nov 2015

Attack her for the argument that you made up. She does not believe she is inevitable. She is working her ass off.

Her supporters do not believe she is inevitable. But are pleased and encouraged by the poll numbers.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
16. How dare you cast doubt Her Presumptuousness!! Just who do you think you are?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:52 PM
Nov 2015

An American voter with a mind of your own or something?

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
41. I agree. The inevitable/coronation theme is poison for the Clinton campaign and so many of her
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 06:06 PM
Nov 2015

supporters are addicted to the theme.

I hope Sanders wins, but if he doesn't, I hope Clinton goes into the general election as strong as possible, and the Clinton campaign and its supporters who feel obliged to push the coronation theme make me think they can't see past the primary (as if beating Sanders was the goal rather than putting a Democrat in the White House).

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