Hillary jabs Bernie at historically black college: "You deserve a raise, not a tax increase"

[Cali_Democrat]

MEMPHIS — Hillary Rodham Clinton on Friday proposed a tax credit for families and individuals who face excessive and unexpected health care costs, the first part of multipronged approach to giving middle-class Americans tax relief that she will unveil in the coming days, according to her campaign.

The proposal, which would provide a tax credit on health costs of up to $2,500 for an individual and $5,000 for a family, comes as Mrs. Clinton has sought to use the issue of taxes on the middle-class to draw a distinction between her proposals and those of her main rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Speaking at a rally at LeMoyne-Owen, a historically black college here, Mrs. Clinton introduced the tax credit and, without evoking Mr. Sander’s name, told the crowd, “You deserve a raise — not a tax increase, and I’m not going to stand for that.”

Mrs. Clinton has accused Mr. Sanders of supporting policy proposals that would essentially amount to a tax increase for middle-class families, specifically pointing to his plan for a single-payer health care system that he bills as “Medicare for All Americans.”

The Clinton campaign points to a 2013 proposal for a single-payer health care system Mr. Sanders proposed in the Senate as evidence that his plan would increase taxes on millions of Americans. Michael Briggs, a spokesman for the Sanders campaign, told Politico, “On Medicare for all, the middle class would be far better off because it would save taxpayers money.”

Read more:

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/hillary-clinton-proposes-middle-class-tax-cut-tied-to-health-care/

[bravenak]

1. I stand with them in opposition to this tax increase on families and do not see how this was even

thought of as a good plan. Our lower and middle class families cannot afford the increase in taxes with the cost of living so high. Very bad idea.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. Really?

Truly good to know your honest opinion on this.

[bravenak]

29. Great!!!

He promised taxes on the rich, not on the lower and middle class.

[davidpdx]

56. Manny, it seems like not only Clinton herself but also her supporters will not back progressive idea

This is exactly what should make us so leery about Hillary Clinton.

[Cha]

45. Speaking at a rally at LeMoyne-Owen, a historically black college here, Mrs. Clinton

introduced the tax credit and, without evoking Mr. Sander’s name, told the crowd, “You deserve a raise — not a tax increase, and I’m not going to stand for that.”

It's so true and if that's a "jab" then so be it.. good on Hillary.

[bravenak]

49. BOOM! A pay raise, not a tax hike!

(I was on the phone and wrote it way wrong)

[TheProgressive]

2. You have to have a job and make money to get a tax cut...

Sanders wants to put people back to work... then we can talk taxes...

[taught_me_patience]

12. Unemployment is already at 5%

This ain't 2008 anymore.

[bobbobbins01]

15. Real unemployment is closer to 12% I believe.

Also, considering Hillary said this at a historically black college, I think looking at the unemployment rate of African American youth is appropriate, and that is currently at 51%, as Bernie Sanders points out quite frequently.

[Live and Learn]

48. +1000 nt

[JustAnotherGen]

52. HBCU students

Have a network to find jobs post University and their tuition is heavily funded by alumni and donors. They are also funded by donations to the UNCF. They are most likely an outlier to the narrative of black Americans aren't employable.

I did not attend but of the 33 grandchildren in my dad's family - only three of us did not attend. My grandparents were born at the turn of the last century - he was a Morehouse grad and she was a Spelman grad. All of my Aunts with the exception of one went to Spelman. My dad Tuskeegee his two brothers Morehouse. In my generation we branched out to Hampton and Howard.

Legacy students reach out to first generations and provide support. I give via UNCF.

I'm sharing all of this with you because you may not be aware of the sub culture and why Clinton's points would appeal to this crowd.

When they graduate - if you tax them to death - they will not be able to give back to those who reached back and gave them a big pull up. My husband knows that every February the Niagara University donation request goes in the garbage (my alma mater) and the UNCF gets a big chunk of change. If not for the HBCUs - I would not have been prepared with a solid prep school education and my parents could not have afforded to give that money to NU for four years. So UNCF gets the donation.

Maybe just maybe some bright kid in Detroit can get into Howard, get the extra help he needs to succeed academically and get out. Then he can pay it forward.

Clinton spoke to where these young black men and women want to be and most likely will end up in ten years.

It was a very smart move.

Elsewhere in the party - O'Malley is speaking to transforming the 4th year of high school to lift those who got cheated out of the chance at college a shot.

Clinton, her supporters, and the UNCF have the backs of the college bound out of high school.

Me and O'Malley have the backs of those who could make a solid living as an HVAC tech, solar panel installer, LPN, lab techs, etc etc.

Sanders weakness is his ability to tell us specifically how. Free college for everyone when everyone did not attend a posh suburban high school is inadequate.

[lovemydog]

60. Thanks for this post.

You have a lot of knowledge on it. I like learning more about the real world aspects. It goes beyond rhetorical flourishes. I'm hearing you on the importance to lower level education.

[pinebox]

3. lol

That's right people, you deserve that non-living wage raise! lol

[Doctor_J]

14. you're going to need a raise, since healthcare is going up again

I never went to freeperville since I wanted to avoid interacting with people who fall for this bullshit. And here they are

[Fumesucker]

51. If you won't come to Freeperville, Freeperville will come to you

[pinebox]

58. It's amazing isn't it?

People will fall for anything.

[Broward]

4. She sounds like a Republican.

[azmom]

5. There she goes misleading and deceiving again.

[Avalux]

6. A raise to 12 bucks an hour?

Seriously - she's absurd.

[winter is coming]

7. This from Ms. Twelve Dollars an Hour Is Plenty?

[Skwmom]

8. To have a raise you NEED a job that isn't shipped overseas or that isn't lost

to a foreign worker.

[Thinkingabout]

9. She is protecting the poor and middle class, she did not start trying to protect the poor and middle

Class in 2015, she has worked a life time to help others. I am glad to have some one fighting for me, thank you Secretary Clinton

[Scootaloo]

25. "You need a raise, that's why I'm going to keep you away from the human right of health care!"

"With the extra two fifty I think some of you ought to conditionally have, you'll be able to afford that surgery in about, I dunno, fifty years. Who's your champion?!"

[Jarqui]

10. Clinton's criticism of Sanders is dishonest/deceitful

Yes, in a single payer system, taxes rise to help pay for the health care. But that is more than offset by the elimination of paying for health care individually every month.

Under a single payer system, the US can come to grips with paying by far the most per capita for health care and reduce health care costs. The excessive charges are not helping life expectancy for US citizens:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

Reduction of heath care costs helps reduce income inequality - more money for the economy/reduction of poverty. It helps the US keep or recover jobs because the total cost per employee goes down. With lower health care costs, effectively, companies are more profitable. The only losers are the folks gouging the health care of Americans.

Hillary is going this way (tax cuts) to try to attract Republicans to vote for her. This is more of the same in my opinion and arguably pandering - not solving the real problem.

[kristopher]

43. It is also a great boost for self employment

Want to take a stab at a 'Mom and Pop' type operation? With health care decoupled from an employer and always covered, the road to your dream is wide open.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. More obfuscation by Hillary.

[Doctor_J]

13. She talks exactly like a republican now, all the time

She's abandoned all pretense of being a democrat.

[bobbobbins01]

16. Any way you slice it, Bernie's plan is better.

I believe an increase in taxes for single payer would be around 6%, but I've heard people on here claim it was 10%, so lets use that number. Hillary is claiming to support a $12/h minimum wage, with no single payer. Bernie wants $15/h with a 10% tax for single payer...so a $1.50 tax makes the hourly rate $13.50.

Net gain on Bernies plan: +$1.50/h and healthcare for everyone.

[PatrickforO]

38. There's more, though. Hillary seems to be (conveniently)

omitting the fact that if we had a 10% tax increase to pay for healthcare, most working people with families would actually be BETTER OFF. Why? Because health insurance for me and my family costs 18.5% of my gross. That's why.

So basically my employer wouldn't have that huge cost, because they pay part of it. We'd all be better off.

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

We have to ask, "Well, YOU don't want a tax increase do you? (gasp!)"

That just sucks, Hillary.

[davidpdx]

57. In South Korea we pay 6.07% which is split between employee and employer

That is no where near the 10% people are claiming. I can walk into any clinic or hospital anytime I want to get seen by a doctor. I have been in Korea for 12 years and can vouch for a system where everyone has health insurance.

I find it appalling that Hillary Clinton will not support a progressive single payer system. Her proposal is similar to Republicans.

[femmedem]

17. For very low-income people, this won't help because they might not owe $2,500 in taxes

This is a shrewd move on her part because people always like hearing that their taxes will go down, but single payer is far better, especially for the poor.

[eridani]

18. Proudly standing for more killing and bankrupting of people by insurance companies.

Anyone who likes a $900/month "premium" better than a $200/month "tax" should not be allowed outside without adult supervision.

[slipslidingaway]

19. +1!!! The Commonwealth Fund demonstrates again that 'Affordable Care Act' is a misnomer

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2015/november/the-commonwealth-fund-demonstrates-again-that-affordable-care-act-is-a-misnomer

"By Sara R. Collins, Munira Gunja, Michelle M. Doty, Sophie Beutel
The Commonwealth Fund, November 20, 2015

* Health care costs are unaffordable for 25% of privately insured working-age people

* 53% of privately insured people with low incomes have unaffordable health care costs

Abstract

One-quarter of privately insured working-age adults have high health care cost burdens relative to their incomes in 2015, according to the Commonwealth Fund Health Care Affordability Index, a comprehensive measure of consumer health care costs. This figure, which is based on a nationally representative sample of people with private insurance who are mainly covered by employer plans, is statistically unchanged from 2014. When looking specifically at adults with low incomes, more than half have high cost burdens. In addition, when privately insured adults were asked how they rated their affordability, greater shares reported their premiums and deductible costs were difficult or impossible to afford than the Index would suggest. Health plan deductibles and copayments had negative effects on many people’s willingness to get needed health care or fill prescriptions..."

[passiveporcupine]

42. You may not have the numbers exacly right, but

^^^ THIS ^^^

She is lying again and she knows exactly what she is doing.

[eridani]

50. I'm basing the numbers on what I had to pay before age 65 and what I would pay--

--under the Washington Health Security Trust.

[SunSeeker]

20. K & R

[BootinUp]

21. They trust Hillary, as I do. nt

[eridani]

23. Trust is obviously name recognition and nothing more

Most PoC are like everyone else--not information and policy junkies. If they knew that Clinton was the candidate of the prison industrial complex, they wouldn't trust her. But they don't.

Give me one good reason why anyone in the 99% should trust her.

[BootinUp]

24. She has been fighting for liberal values since the late 60's? nt

[Scootaloo]

33. Oh, does liberal activism in the 60's count, now?

[BootinUp]

36. How about 47 years

[eridani]

46. Like welfare "reform" NAFTA, Iraq war deregulating banks?

"We came, we saw, he died" is a liberal value?

[passiveporcupine]

41. What she if fighting for

is a lower minimum wage than is needed, and a health care system, not available to all who need it, and more expenisve than it needs to be.

She is lying again.

[Scootaloo]

26. I'm certain you'd buy acreage in Florida from her too n/t

[BootinUp]

28. Let me know if Bernie has any deals!

[Scootaloo]

30. Why, did you start trusting him too?

[BootinUp]

31. Shouldn't I trust you? lol

[bahrbearian]

22. Thanks for the Comedy

[PatrickforO]

32. Boy is she wrong on this one.

Of course, she neglected the OTHER HALF of the plan for political expedience. Which is why no one trusts her.

The other half of this is that Bernie is proposing to a) adjust the tax code to capture the $20 trillion + in untaxed profits and income that is presently offshore in places like the Cayman Islands, b) adjust the corporate tax code so big guys with billions in profits like GE, Wells Fargo, Paccar Corporation and Mattel all not only begin paying taxes again, but actually pay their fair share, c) begin taxing capital gains as regular income, and d) allowing the government to negotiate drug and care costs down.

It isn't gonna cost that much. Anyway, all of us already PAY OUT THE NOSE for healthcare and the insurance industry is raising costs in double digits every year. Why? Because they can.

Clinton bugs me so much because of crap like this. She started off center right. Then she went left. Then she is going back right. So...which is it? What does she REALLY stand for? Just being elected? I fear so.

[eridani]

47. You don't need any extra money for health care. We spend more per capita than any other country--

--bar none, for worse results. As Kucinich put it "We are already paying for universal health care--we just aren't getting it"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Is she afraid that Trump's kids might attend that school for free?

[Kalidurga]

35. Too bad she doesn't think they deserve jobs

safe affordable housing, a safety net, health care, and free college. But, at least she won't raise their taxes on jobs they don't have by 2%.

[MisterP]

37. she says we're Taxed Enough Already? nt

[leftofcool]

53. I am certainly taxed enough.

[SoapBox]

39. Of all the nerve...this from, Ms. You Should Only Get $12 An Hour!

Hey Hill...how's about sharing some of your $200,000 speaking fees?

Oh ya...maybe you and Wille are still "Dead Broke"!

...so disgraceful.

[passiveporcupine]

40. She is lying again

What's new?

[Cha]

44. Well it's true.. if that's a "jab" then so be it. Mahalo Cali

[Vinca]

54. It's a trade-off.

You can either have tax cuts and no services (think GOP), or a small increase in taxes and very much better services (Bernie). If you do simple math, you can figure out which path would be more economically sound for you . . . especially if you're planning on going to college or expect to get sick during your lifetime.

[leftofcool]

55. Or, if you are like me.............

If you are like me, you can not afford more taxes because you won't have enough money to pay for the every 90 day cancer screening you need and the every 6 month colonoscopy you must have. So, I can pay more taxes for free college or keep what I have to pay for what my insurance does not to stay on top of cancer. Yea, I know that makes me a selfish old hag.

[Bluenorthwest]

59. And yet if your taxes covered your health care like it does for Canadians.....

nt

[Vinca]

62. The healthcare of choice by Bernie would cover all of that. That's why taxes would be raised a bit.

I remember just before I stopped being able to afford health insurance in 2004. The premium went in excess of $12,000 a year and the deductible was $5,000. I was hoping more than you will ever know that John Kerry would be elected and we might get healthcare reform. It didn't happen and, as a result, I suffered horrible pain and could barely walk until Obamacare and the pre-existing condition pool was created. I could afford it and I was very lucky. Today there are still many, many people who cannot afford the premiums and deductibles of the lowest priced policies offered. They're caught between not being poor enough for Medicaid and not being able to afford insurance even with a subsidy. That has to end. No one in this country should suffer. If my taxes go up a little so other people don't have to suffer the way I did, I'm happy to pay it. I'm happy to pay extra taxes so your colonoscopy is covered. And, FYI, I'm on Medicare now, but still self-employed and paying taxes.

[UglyGreed]

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