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Friday, Nov 20, 2015 05:59 AM EST
Hillary Clinton is playing a dangerous game: How her anti-Bernie talking points could cost her and America big time
Hillary Clinton is starting to remind progressives why the name Clinton brings up such a mixed bag of emotions, and why its so hard to believe Clintons pivot to the left this campaign season. Lately, the progressive who likes to get things done has gone after her main competition, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., for his advocacy of a single-payer healthcare system, which is a staple of progressive policy, found in many other industrialized states like Canada and Taiwan. Taking a page out of the GOP handbook, Clinton and her campaigners have gone into fear-mongering mode about the fact that such a plan would cause an increase in taxes on the middle class.
Hardworking, middle-class families need a raise, not a tax increase, said Clinton during the second Democratic debate, while a senior adviser to a pro-Clinton organization tweeted: Hillary Clinton was the only one who ruled out raising taxes on the middle class others talked about raising taxes to 70 and 90 percent. Of course, this is nonsense. Sanders only stated the fact that the top rate was over 90 percent under Dwight Eisenhower. He was quite clear when he said: We havent come up with an exact number yet, but it will not be as high as the number under Dwight D. Eisenhower, which was 90 percent. Im not that much of a socialist compared to Eisenhower. (Plus, people seem to forget that he is talking about a progressive tax, with top rates only on income over a certain level, not all of the income an eligible individual earns.)
Indeed, the Clinton campaign is starting to sound more and more like Republicans. Chris Christie said something similar last month (albeit more crudely): The socialist says theyre going to pay for everything and give you everything for free, except they dont tell you theyre going to raise your taxes to 90 percent to do it.
Pants on Fire, ruled PolitiFact, calling it a grossly misleading characterization.
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/20/hillary_clinton_is_playing_a_dangerous_game_how_her_anti_bernie_talking_points_could_cost_her_and_america_big_time/
Nowhere to go but right.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)I find it interesting that she is actively veering hard right at this stage of the game. Yesterdays speech by HRC was pure neocon warhawk.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)CLICKY-CLICKY.
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leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Only at Salon is raising the middle class income without us paying more taxes a right wing concept. I don't know about any other middle class folks but I wold love a raise in my income without having to pay more in taxes that I just can't afford. Raise the taxes on the rich, not the middle class who already have to struggle.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)'suggesting raising taxes to 70-90%,' I just about screamed.!!
I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton if you held a gun to my head.
FORTUNATELY, IF by some mere chance of fate she DOES 'win' the primary, I don't have to vote at all. I live in New York.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)God forbid Hillary explains the detail and nuance that Bernie is dancing around. Let me know when Bernie admits he will have to raise taxes on the middle class instead of constant deflecting.
Ouray
(17 posts)of losing our "insurance" and gaining a benefit called health care.
Which means not having to pay thousands to reach the deductibles before the insurance kicks in their share.
That's on top of paying premiums.
I'll take that.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)How about we just expand Medicaid to cover more people.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)about our taxes and our insurance. From your bio, I assume you have lovely DGA health insurance, so like me you have never been in the boat most are in for insurance because of our wealthy Unions and healthy rates of compensation.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)People who are really poor generally can get some form of coverage. Medicare should be made stronger.
But that's only one facet of the problem. Many people with moderate, or good, incomes are getting screwed by insurance costs. As are businesses who also have to shoulder the costs.
Public health coverage based on income should be a universal right to everyone.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)And you seem to forget that.
Otherwise no states would have opted out for expanding Medicaid. People in red states would suffer just as they currently do because of the same exact issue.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)If he doesn't flesh out his own policies, he leaves it to others to define them.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)is to insult and alienate the supporters of your competition so they just say "screw it" on election day.
if hillary is the nom, the repubs will have something big to vote against. if she doesn't give dems of all candidates something to vote FOR, get used to saying "president trump" or "president rubio"
MisterP
(23,730 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)because she is UNELECTABLE.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)naw that would be too obvious .
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)She tried to push Bernie as far left as possible, to crowd him out, and then use the right wing points to push him off the edge.
But he put his anchor down with that FDR speech, so that's as far as he's going to move. And that's a great place to take a stand. I think it's encouraging.
coyote
(1,561 posts)Bailing out Wall Street to the tune of 1.5 trillion. However when it comes to helping the people, then it's "how are we going to give all this stuff for free?" or "how are we going to finance it".