To what end?

[angrychair]

What the hell is wrong with you people?? It seems a great deal of effort is being made to paint Sanders and his supporters in the worse light possible. The slander and undertones being made against a person with his record is something I would never imagine from fellow Democrats. Against me as a person as well. Without knowing anything about me, I have had people imply I am a racist, a misogynist, a dreamer or someone who doesn't understand how the real world works. I am the polar opposite of a racist or misogynist and I am reminded daily how the"real world" works. What is wrong with being a dreamer? What is wrong with doing what hasn't been done? Why as Democrats, is "good enough", good enough?
Are there people, on any given issue, Democrat or republican, that take it to far? Hell yes. That can become a bigger problem than the problem itself? Hell yes.
I am no longer standing idle and allow someone else to dictate to me what kind of person I am or am not. What is the best solution or the "compromised" solution. Don't tell me "I just don't get it". The problem is, I do get it.
That it's what makes a person a Bernie Sanders supporter. We do get it. And we are no longer willing to accept the "compromise".

[NurseJackie]

1. What exactly were you expecting? I think the hardcore Bernie fans have brought this upon themselves.

[whatchamacallit]

8. I think "Not good enough, Bernie!" set the tone day one. n/t

[angrychair]

9. Your post makes the point

I don't like making. It isn't about who is right or wrong. Have you read some of the post and other information being posted by supporters of your candidate?
That it's not even the point.

I am no one's keeper. Take issue with a specific person on a specific issue.
I will no more judge you a being the representative of all supporters of your candidate then you should judge another of being representative of all supporters of Bernie Sanders.
I stand by my own words, not the words of another. Just as I may have a difference of opinion with Bernie Sanders on how to approach certain issues, I stand united with his ideals.

[NurseJackie]

17. I don't follow you.

"What the hell is wrong with you people??"

vs

"Take issue with a specific person on a specific issue. "

What you're saying we should do in post #9 (and elsewhere) appears to contradict what you're doing in the original post.

[angrychair]

20. Fair question

To be honest the first one is born of frustration. Not my best choice of words. It is unfair and I apologize.

[NurseJackie]

21. I understand frustration.

A nice Cabernet helps.

[angrychair]

22. Outstanding

Solution!

[daleanime]

28. If you want to feel that way fair enough....

just don't blame us for what happens afterwards IF you get your way. Have a lovely evening.

[NurseJackie]

39. The OP appeared to be lamenting that Bernie fans were being unfairly treated.

My response was to note that Bernie fans (who from all appearances appear to be in the majority here) are not innocent and helpless bystanders, and the push-back they were experiencing was a result of their own behavior.

Is your warning of "just don't blame us" a way to justify the aggressive behavior of Bernie fans? Is it a warning that's intended to instill fear and doubts in the minds of Hillary supporters (and, oh, I don't know, get us to support Bernie instead)?

If not either of those, then what? I'm confused where you were going with that or what you were getting at.

In any case, I'm much more optimistic than you appear to be.

to you as well.

[daleanime]

41. I pay too much attention to Climate Change....

to be very optimistic.

And my 'warning' is just an acknowledge. We've lost how many seats in the last election? But the party, or at least the 'leaders', seem determined to stay with the same game plan. Running Hillary changes nothing and the only people energized by her campaign is the opposition.

But don't let it confuse you, mine is just another voice to be discarded. Take care of yourself, the future's looking far too interesting.

[NurseJackie]

42. I understand better. We still disagree, but your post makes more sense now.

[Armstead]

32. Moreso than the "hardcore Hillary fans"?

I've seen a lot of bile and trash coming from that quarter too since the primary began.

[RobertEarl]

2. It's crazy

Bernie is the honest politician we all dreamed of and he is out there working for us. As a sign of just how crazy politics has become, he and his supporters are being attacked.

We'll get past this, but it is a sign of what we are up against. A deep, somewhat insane, and even frightful populace that doesn't know its ass from a hole in the ground.

[upaloopa]

13. Words fail me

Sometimes I don't know if you are for real or you just make this stuff up.
If you are for real we aren't the problem.

[RobertEarl]

18. But you are

The establishment candidate support is a sample of what is wrong with this country. All the problems looming with no solutions evidently coming from the establishment, yet some people here just suckle at the teat of that establishment.

Then they have, like you just showed, the audacity to personally attack someone who tells the truth. You should be ashamed. But then, you got yours, so f everyone else, right?

[840high]

51. ...+1

[Juicy_Bellows]

26. Outstanding!

You said it brother - your last line is succinctly, dead-on-balls accurate.

[MaggieD]

3. IMO his supporters paint themselves (and Bernie) in a bad light

And I think it's perfectly obvious that they do.

[whatchamacallit]

10. Well your fair, honest, and cheery posts are doing wonders for your candidate

[cali]

12. Lol. And I think you're a perfect representative of many DU Hillary supporters.

[angrychair]

14. As i said

It isn't about who is right or wrong.

I am no one's keeper. Take issue with a specific person on a specific issue.
I will no more judge you as being the representative of all supporters of your candidate then you should judge another of being representative of all supporters of Bernie Sanders.
I stand by my own words, not the words of another. Just as I may have a difference of opinion with Bernie Sanders on how to approach certain issues, I stand united with his ideals.

[840high]

52. Just like the Clinton supporters

who conspired to get rid of cali.

[MaggieD]

53. Nobody forces her to call people names

[840high]

54. Not the point and you know it.

[saturnsring]

4. the hillary supporters say it's the bernie supporters who are doing what you are talking about.

I said we should shouldn't be bashing or tearing at any of the dems and I was told to fukoff. I see a lot more negative posts about Clinton than Bernie - Bernie supporters are very busy digging in the dirt

[frylock]

23. You believe posting videos of Hillary saying things is bashing or tearing.

[saturnsring]

24. it's your purpose for posting them that makes it that -- nt

[frylock]

43. Enlightenment?

What purpose do you speak of?

[saturnsring]

45. oh come on

[frylock]

47. I'll play your game..

What's the purpose of posting poll after poll after poll favoring Hillary? What's the purpose of posting Hillary's list of endorsements?

[saturnsring]

49. my post was a response to angry chair who said

angry chair said this It seems a great deal of effort is being made to paint Sanders and his supporters in the worse light possible.
i said, basically, the hillary supporters are saying the same thing about the bernie supporters and that i think both parties should stop with attack posts. that's the game being played here both sets of supporters are using this forum to paint Sanders, clinton and their supporters in the worse light possible. it is causes people to become defensive and this stuff escalates and it isnt changing anyone's mind it just fills the front page up with reasons not to vote for either of them.
if people want to change minds post why they should vote for your (not you specifically) candidate not reasons one shouldnt vote for their own.
now like i said i have been saying this for weeks and have been told in every case to go f.o. and the last time i tried i got so much crap for it that i gave up trying so now when someone reposts the same horrors of hillary story i just post poll numbers.

[PowerToThePeople]

5. As long

As long as you are not a third way, fascist, war mongering, mic loving, wall street swindler coddling, job offshoring DINO; I will support you. (*Note- there may be other items that would recuse me of my support stance. My vote is my vote.)

[stevenleser]

6. Did you protest when Sanders supporters slandered the black lives matter movement here?

Do you protest when Sanders supporters call Clinton supporters all kinds of names?

Did you protest the 800+ comment OP that was a direct attack on me for no other reason than because I support Hillary?

The above are just on the top of my head. I could provide you several score other questions about whether you protested ugly comments about Hillary and her supporters.

[angrychair]

15. As i have said

It isn't about who is right or wrong.

I am no one's keeper. Take issue with a specific person on a specific issue.
I will no more judge you as being the representative of all supporters of your candidate then you should judge another of being representative of all supporters of Bernie Sanders.
I stand by my own words, not the words of another. Just as I may have a difference of opinion with Bernie Sanders on how to approach certain issues, I stand united with his ideals.

[stevenleser]

33. "Take issue with a specific person on a specific issue." You are doing the opposite of that.

If that is supposed to be your philosophy, this OP you created is doing the absolute opposite of that.

[angrychair]

48. Not really

The OP I wrote, just about any OP in my opinion, is a macro, big picture and the posted threads below it are micro parts, the "down in the weeds" part, where all the details and hard stuff is hashed out related to the OP.

Not going to parse out each sentence of my OP for critique. Not defending a thesis paper before a board, just one OP among hundreds. I wrote on my phone during a break.

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. I just read another post where an "enthusiastic" Bernie supporter ...

denied it ever happened.

[stevenleser]

31. I'm not surprised. They're embarrassed about it and should be. Even the ones who didnt do it

should be embarrassed for not trying harder to stop it.

Sanders supporters have no standing to criticize anyone else here after that.

[upaloopa]

7. I think you look through this paradigm that

paints yourself and Bernie as possessing the perfect solution to all our problems. All we need to do us accept your point of view.
The problem is you can't see yourself as others do.
Just look at your social media reputation.
If anyone endorces Hillary you have to go to their facebook page and denounce them as was done to John Lewis.
Sorry but you don't represent the "people" you don't have the solution to the world's problems. You represent some of the people and a minority at that. You can't get the support of minorities nor a majority of any demographic.
I think you really need to get over yourselves.

[saturnsring]

11. and what they are doing right now to alan grayson

[angrychair]

19. Ok then

I respectfully disagree. You paint a picture for a landscape that doesn't exist.

Again, someone that insist on telling me who I am and what I do.
"...paints yourself and Bernie as possessing the perfect solution to all our problems." when did I say that? Please spend hours reviewing my posts and present it as evidence. If anything, I have done the opposite, even in this OP: "Just as I may have a difference of opinion with Bernie Sanders on how to approach certain issues, I stand united with his ideals."
Ideals are not solutions, they frame the approach to solutions.
The balance of power and wealth is very much becoming the preview of a smaller and smaller group. While all this effort, money and attention is on who is going to be our presidential nominee, the teapublicans are running the table on us at a city, county and state level all across the country.
There are big issues that need big solutions, neither I or Bernie Sanders has all the answers. The middle-of-the-road, compromise solution, is not the answer.

[saturnsring]

16. Holy Cow, Clinton Believed She Won 2008 Right Up To the Convention (AND STILL DOES)!

you mean like this

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Question(s) ...

I have had people imply I am a racist, a misogynist, a dreamer or someone who doesn't understand how the real world works.

Have you paused to ask those people implying that you are a racist/misogynist, WHY they made that implication?

I suspect that is not what they said; but rather, what you heard.

[ieoeja]

35. The reason was obvious: they were lying to create a false narrative. n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. NO ... I suspect that if the question had been asked ...

it would have been apparent that this may have been what the poster HEARD; but, not what was said (or implied).

[ieoeja]

38. A lot of people do have problems with reading comprehension.

They may have missed the obvious implications. Though I think most are not that stupid. They are only pretending because pretending to be stupid lets them spin things.

Personally, I never thought pretending to be stupid was a particularly intelligent debate strategy.

Unless you're in a Republican debate, of course! It serves remarkably well there. While I have little respect for Trump's intelligence, I am fairly certain he is smarter than the idiot he pretends to be.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. I have been accused of calling a segment of DU, racist ...

and I have been accused of calling Bernie a racist, when I have done no such thing.

But I don't think the "problem" is reading comprehension OR stupidity.

[lovemydog]

50. +1

[ieoeja]

60. Agreed. I think you are just pretending to be stupid. n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. So you think I am pretending to be stupid because you are hearing shit that hasn't been said? ...

I don't know whether to be offended or weep for your self-victimizing delusion.

[ieoeja]

63. *I* am not one of your "victims".

You have never said shit to me that implied I was racist. But I have read numerous posts by that very obviously implied racism.

And I simply can not believe you are so stupid that you do not see the implied accusations of your posts. You are lying. Plain and simple. You are a lying sack of shit hiding behind weasel words. And pretty much 100% of the jpeople who read your bullshit knows it. Some pretend otherwise for political words. But everybody sees it. If you actually think people are falling for your bullshit you are seriously deluded.

[treestar]

59. A lot of people twist things so they can make themselves out

to be a victim.

[sabrina 1]

30. Ignore the smears which are bought and paid for with Corporate money. They are doing it

because they are AFRAID, of Bernie, of the People and they know that the people are ON TO THEM now and they have to use dirty tricks, suppression of debates, smear campaigns, distractions from the issues, whatever they can to try to stop the people from getting a candidate they WANT.

[DanTex]

37. ...

[taught_me_patience]

44. We had to endure about 3 months of condescending bullshit

Basically making support of Bernie Sanders a litmus test of how progressive one was. It really fucking sucked here. The 10% of Hillary supporters were really shit on for a while. Your post is blind "persecution syndrome".

[murielm99]

55. I think plenty of Bernie supporters

are simply whining because there has been pushback by Clinton supporters. It is very much like seeing the smaller kid haul off and hit the bigger bully in the nose and knocking him down.

[Owl]

46. K&R

[Todays_Illusion]

56. There seems to be a whole lot of stomping going on around DU. but hey it is politics I only

wish the "comment alert" wasn't being used as a weapon with such frequency. I was dinged and exonerated for questioning a post but I see a post questioning a post getting a pass. Political brawling is a characteristic of Democratic, it is tradition and a historical part of being Democratic Party member.

Smile and put on the face protector, gloves and shin guards. Keep jumping in.

And celebrate how this brawling is all like a great re-awakening of the Democratic Party.

[LWolf]

57. It's one thing

to bring out the aggressive, full-blown nasty attacks on a candidate; that's politics as usual in America, and while it doesn't reflect well on us, it's par for the campaign season course.

The turning of that political hatred on a candidates' supporters, though, is a new low that I am repeatedly dismayed by.

From my perspective, it feels as if the mainstream neo-liberal Democratic Party wants to ensure that they've pushed the left-wing not just under the bus, but right out of the party itself.

I'm not sure how the party is supposed to win general elections if everyone in the country EXCEPT neo-liberal Democrats are their enemy.

[treestar]

58. That's the way it is when you run for President

Were Bernie to get farther, he'd suffer a lot worse.

Amazed that you are blind to the amount of attempt here to paint Hillary and her supporters in the worse light possible. The slander is something I could not imagine from fellow Democrats. I have had people call me a corporatists, Third Way, supporter of the oligarchs, boot licking authoritarian among other insults.

What is wrong with being a dreamer in politics is that it does not work, as you have to work with other people. The Republicans don't dream, they get out and vote, even if the candidate is too "liberal" for them.

[angrychair]

61. Not blind to anything

As I stated in my OP:
"Are there people, on any given issue, Democrat or republican, that take it to far? Hell yes. That can become a bigger problem than the problem itself? Hell yes."
I agree and have never disputed that it can go both ways.
But just as you, personally, may very well not be a
"corporatists, Third Way, supporter of the oligarchs, boot licking authoritarian" I am not any of the things, either personally or by virtue of being a Sanders supporter, any of the things that are said.

In regards to the use of word "dreamer", you have misunderstand the point of that word. The point is that there is a lot of criticism of Sanders and his supporters for going for the bigger deal, the bigger "fix" for an issue, while your candidate and her supporters skew more centerist and aim for a compromise fix they think teapublicans can be swayed to agree on for a compromise somewhere else. Well, I am tired, as are many, of being "compromised". Do you realize that, according to a report issued by the Social Security Administration released on the same day as that stupid Bengazi hearing, showed that 53% of the value of all wages earned in America were owned by just .08% (point zero eight percent) of the working population? That a majority of Americans, 51%, earn less that $30,000 a year? Not even a blip on the media radar. That while $15 dollar an hour campaigns are everywhere, SEIU even has (had?) a big push for it nationally, your candidate has decided on a compromise of $12 an hour.
I'd rather start from a position of strength, have that fight on it's merits and in the public domain, than from one of compromise right from the beginning ( the "I'd rather die fighting, on my feet, than live, begging, on my knees adage)

All that being said, all this fighting, money and effort to get a Democratic candidate to the general and then the WH, is crazy to me. We, as a Party, almost completely ignore that teapublicans are running the tables on us in a majority of the city, county and state elections across the country. We arenot going too fix that by electing a Democrat president.