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Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:27 PM Nov 2015

OBAMA: Climate change increases chance of terrorism, war

From the Boss

President Obama says climate change increases the likelihood of war and terrorism.

In an interview with The New York Times's Thomas Friedman, which will be featured in the final episode of Showtime's climate series "Years of Living Dangerously" on Monday, Obama voiced grave concern over how global warming can be a national security issue for the United States.

Instability brought on by climate change, Obama said, is what creates an environment for terrorism.
"They don’t have a lot of margin for error, and that has national security implications. When people are hungry, when people are displaced, when there are a lot of young people, particularly young men, who are drifting without prospects for the future, the fertility of the soil for terrorism ends up being significant," Obama said, "and it can have an impact on us."

He also said that climate change can lead to wars by fostering conflict over resources.

"Entire countries can be finding themselves unable to feed themselves, and the potential incidence of conflict that arises out of that — that gets your attention," Obama said. "It’s not just the actual disasters that might arise, it is the accumulating stresses that are placed on a lot of different countries and the possibility of war, conflict, refugees, displacement that arise from a changing climate.”

When Friedman noted the four-year drought in Syria, which spurred the uprising there, Obama said it is a sign of what happens when countries "are just barely hanging on."

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/208634-obama-ties-between-climate-and-terrorism-ripe-in-poorer-countries

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OBAMA: Climate change increases chance of terrorism, war (Original Post) Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 OP
That's what Bernie has been saying RobertEarl Nov 2015 #1
Article is from 2014 firebrand80 Nov 2015 #2
And still H> is lost in the clouds? RobertEarl Nov 2015 #3
That's all beside the point firebrand80 Nov 2015 #4
It is real good politics RobertEarl Nov 2015 #6
Gotta stay quiet on biggest threat to future to win over the non-existent swing voters. Turn CO Blue Nov 2015 #13
Increases don't mean equal..... daleanime Nov 2015 #18
"The truth isn't good politics" AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #24
Avoid truth at all costs jberryhill Nov 2015 #35
They are trying to say that it is something new calling people daffy etc Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #7
Climate deniers are daffy RobertEarl Nov 2015 #8
The Pentagon has been saying this since 2002 (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #25
Smart guy that Obama Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #5
He is Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #9
yeah I was amused that some deemed this odd. It's common knowledge I thought! m-lekktor Nov 2015 #10
Nah, couldn't be! Jeepers, did Politico rate the statement as "false" like w Bernie?! n/t Turn CO Blue Nov 2015 #11
Someone should explain it to Politico Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #20
They rated it "mostly true" when O'Malley said it. winter is coming Nov 2015 #28
What does he know? tazkcmo Nov 2015 #12
President Obama and Bernie aren't the only ones who understand this. aidbo Nov 2015 #14
They are using this Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #16
Another concept mocked and ridiculed by right wingnut scum... 63splitwindow Nov 2015 #15
Not only right wingers but Hillary supporters Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #17
If the shoe fits. frylock Nov 2015 #37
perfect wording and pic. Duppers Nov 2015 #19
I always wonder WHY they try these talking points when 100% of them have been MisterP Nov 2015 #21
Did he say it's our biggest security threat? MaggieD Nov 2015 #22
Have a smart person with great patience try to explain it to you. nt 63splitwindow Nov 2015 #29
He didn't say that - right? MaggieD Nov 2015 #30
Here ya go... 63splitwindow Nov 2015 #32
Non-responsive MaggieD Nov 2015 #33
This has worried the CIA as well as the Pentagon sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #23
Yes, and said by Martin O'Malley months ago! elleng Nov 2015 #26
yes Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #38
Under the Clinton campaign caravan he goes he goes, bump-ba-BUMP! Scootaloo Nov 2015 #27
But Bernie did it first!! MaggieD Nov 2015 #31
They are gonna need a bigger bus Kalidurga Nov 2015 #34
Kick. nt nc4bo Nov 2015 #36
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. And still H> is lost in the clouds?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:41 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie has been talking abt climate change for longer than Obama and it is good to see Obama caring like Bernie has for a decade.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
4. That's all beside the point
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:46 PM
Nov 2015

Climate change = Terrorism is not the kind of thing you bring up at a debate on the same weekend of major attacks.

It may be true, but it wasn't good politics to say it.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. It is real good politics
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:58 PM
Nov 2015

That's why the Bernie people like him so much. He tells it like it is. The days of 'good politics' as you put it are over. Enough of whimpering in the face of it all. Lay it on the line and quit squirming when trying to lead. We are so lucky to have someone like Bernie. Finally!

Turn CO Blue

(4,221 posts)
13. Gotta stay quiet on biggest threat to future to win over the non-existent swing voters.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:32 PM
Nov 2015

Yeah, who cares if millennials and greens and the rest of the world -- lose interest and lose trust in our party or in American leadership on climate or international security -- much better to try to get that possibly ONE single climate change denier to switch votes -- and he will, he will - IF ONLY we are vewwy, vewwy quiet about any "inconvenient truths" during a debate.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
18. Increases don't mean equal.....
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 12:08 AM
Nov 2015

we can't continue to pander to the brain dead when it comes to our security.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
10. yeah I was amused that some deemed this odd. It's common knowledge I thought!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:12 PM
Nov 2015

for those of us on the left anyway. Low info types may differ...

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
28. They rated it "mostly true" when O'Malley said it.
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:44 AM
Nov 2015

Makes you wonder how often they consult a magic 8-ball for their fact checking.

tazkcmo

(7,306 posts)
12. What does he know?
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:21 PM
Nov 2015

And don't give me this has lots of experts at his disposal or that he's an intelligent man or that any half brained nitwit could figure this out if they weren't fixated on being against anything Sen. Sanders might say.

 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
14. President Obama and Bernie aren't the only ones who understand this.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:45 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.newsweek.com/pentagon-report-us-military-considers-climate-change-immediate-threat-could-277155

Pentagon Report: U.S. Military Considers Climate Change a 'Threat Multiplier' That Could Exacerbate Terrorism
BY ZOË SCHLANGER 10/14/14

The report is a “roadmap” of the Department’s future needs and actions to effectively respond to climate change, including anticipating that climate change may require more frequent military intervention within the country to respond to natural disasters, as well as internationally to respond to “extremist ideologies” that may arise in regions where governments are destabilized due to climate-related stressors.

“The impacts of climate change may cause instability in other countries by impairing access to food and water, damaging infrastructure, spreading disease, uprooting and displacing large numbers of people, compelling mass migration, interrupting commercial activity, or restricting electricity availability,” the Pentagon writes. “These developments could undermine already-fragile governments that are unable to respond effectively or challenge currently-stable governments, as well as increasing competition and tension between countries vying for limited resources. These gaps in governance can create an avenue for extremist ideologies and conditions that foster terrorism.

The military is integrating climate change considerations into all its operations, including in its training for war scenarios.

“We are considering the impacts of climate change in our war games and defense planning scenarios, and are working with our Combatant Commands to address impacts in their areas of responsibility.”


I thought this was fairly common knowledge among people paying attention.
 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
15. Another concept mocked and ridiculed by right wingnut scum...
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 11:58 PM
Nov 2015

because it takes a 3 digit IQ and multi-step reasoning to understand. If it don't fit on a bumper sticker they don't "get it."

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MisterP

(23,730 posts)
21. I always wonder WHY they try these talking points when 100% of them have been
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:07 AM
Nov 2015

struck down comprehensively and in detail, with video proof (or, even more often, Clinton's own words)

can they just not sleep or go through their daily lives knowing that something in the debate has gone unassailed, and just have to throw something out even if they know it'll get shot down?

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
33. Non-responsive
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:02 AM
Nov 2015

Do you think Obama believes our largest SECURITY threat is climate change? Please stop acting like Obama would have ever said anything so foolish.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
23. This has worried the CIA as well as the Pentagon
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:23 AM
Nov 2015

for a long time. They have kept it relatively
quiet, because they had other fish to fry, and
did not want to "worry" the nation.

elleng

(131,416 posts)
26. Yes, and said by Martin O'Malley months ago!
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:39 AM
Nov 2015

A Link Between Climate Change and ISIS Isn’t Crazy.

Conservatives mock the Democratic presidential candidate Martin O’Malley, but there’s evidence of a connection between drought and the Syrian civil war.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/07/martin-omalley-isis-climate-change/399131/

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
34. They are gonna need a bigger bus
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:05 AM
Nov 2015

they gotta fit Obama under there with all the poor people and the Pentagon.

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