Clinton cares about black people the same way she cared about gay people

[Prism]

As little as possible, and as politically necessary as we all allowed.

But I'm supposed to believe she's all about the African American community now . . .

What's a laughing uproariously emote that's not rude?

Seriously? We're supposed to all believe this now? A super-privileged white woman with a hundred million foundation that fucked over third world brown people as a matter of self-interested course suddenly totally cares about your average black person?

That is some god damned good marketing.

If you fall for that, you deserve all you're about to get. Or not get.

Seriously, economically, the black community will get nothing under the Third Way. Fight for your oppressor? Seriously. Okedoke, guys.

[zappaman]

1. Ok. n/t

[Hydra]

2. Team Hillary has been pushing that meme pretty strongly

But considering how she treated BLM both times(and they were even expected!), it's almost funny to see the meme continue...not unlike a hot air balloon with a hole in it trying to take off.

[NanceGreggs]

31. Given HRC's support ...

... among AAs, it is rather ludicrous to think that her team needs to "push that meme pretty strongly".

You might not have noticed the poll numbers, but that balloon has been airborne since she announced.

[Ken Burch]

75. Never mind that she never walked the walk on AA issues in the Senate

All she's got going for her is the myth that she's the only "electable" candidate in the Dem race.

And the polls which show Bernie beating Rubio and most other GOP candidates totally discredit that myth.

Let's face it-HRC's candidacy is now based solely on the notion that the party establishment, the big donors and Wall Street(three institutions that are now and will always be anti-feminist, anti-worker, antigay and anti-progressive on all but a few trivial side issues) are simply entitled to dictate who the nominee will be. All that mindset ever gets us is candidates like Humphrey, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry.

Why stay with what we know doesn't work?

And why pretend the candidate of the 1% can ever care about the 99%?

[LovingA2andMI]

77. Facts are amazing things.....

And that whole 2008 epi is forgot as a distant memory.....at least by some, not others.....

"A series of comments from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, her husband and her supporters are spurring a racial backlash and adding a divisive edge to the presidential primary as the candidates head south to heavily African-American South Carolina.

The comments, which ranged from the New York senator appearing to diminish the role of Martin Luther King Jr. in the civil rights movement — an aide later said she misspoke — to Bill Clinton dismissing Sen. Barack Obama’s image in the media as a “fairy tale” — generated outrage on black radio, black blogs and cable television. And now they've drawn the attention of prominent African-American politicians.

“A cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements,” said Obama spokeswoman Candice Tolliver, who said that Clinton would have to decide whether she owed anyone an apology.

“There’s a groundswell of reaction to these comments — and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we’ve heard for several months,” she said. “Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?”

http://www.politico.com/story/2008/01/racial-tensions-roil-democratic-race-007845

Yep, just "forgot".....

[Autumn]

3. The BLM episodes with Hillary were eye opening. I agree, it's damn good

marketing.

[sheshe2]

52. The BLM episodes with Bernie were eye opening. I agree, it's damn good

marketing.

[Autumn]

56. So you noticed the difference in the reactions between the 2 episodes too. nt

[sheshe2]

63. Lol~

I sure noticed something....yet is not what you imagine. I am sure you figured that out from my post. Keep trying.

[Autumn]

66. No, she~ you keep trying.

[sheshe2]

74. Ha~

[Maedhros]

4. Resources to be exploited. [n/t]

[Autumn]

6. That's what the people are.

[Maedhros]

69. Votes to be harvested with rhetoric. [n/t]

[Sheepshank]

137. and the OP is doing all wrong, if this is supposed to help Bernie.

But it plays well for Hillary, so there is that.

[msongs]

5. so all those black people have allowed themselves to be bamboozled over all these years? ok nt

[Fumesucker]

8. That's accepted as a matter of revealed truth about white people on DU

Whites vote against their self interest, I've read it hundreds of times here and in many cases it's true.

If white people can be bamboozled, and they damn sure can, then why is it not possible that black people also can be bamboozled?

[boston bean]

104. White people don't carry the baggage of oppression.

Saying black people are easily bamboozled carries with it a bunch of racist undertones.

[Hiraeth]

155. Everyone on this planet is being bamboozled by the 0.1%

Not even the richest can escape global warming.

but, keep swatting those pesky flies.

[TM99]

83. Why not?

PoC are no different than whites in this regard. Our communities are full of low-information voters who are easily swayed by propaganda or are so overwhelmed by life that they rarely pay attention beyond the most superficial of realities.

The Clintons were disastrous for AA's in the 1990's. They were horribly racist in the in 2008 primary campaign against Obama. But now they are suddenly the bestest friends AA have ever had? Yeah, my ass.

[boston bean]

103. It's the same thing these types say about feminists.

We don't know what's good for us.

This shit runs real deep with some.

[Dawgs]

112. If you're voting for Hillary you don't.

Sorry, there has NEVER been a good argument made for Hillary when it comes to policies that will benefit the average American. There just aren't.

If you want to try now, please do.

[Gormy Cuss]

134. Funny how it that works, isn't it?

That pile of privilege is really big.

[bravenak]

7. We're stupid, I guess.nt

[Godhumor]

10. What is amazing to me is that posts like these are almost always followed by some other post

Last edited Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:24 AM - Edit history (1)

Where someone wonders why Bernie isn't doing better with AAs.

[bravenak]

24. They do not WANT us in their group. Obviously.nt

[NanceGreggs]

33. That is SO true!!! n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

174. You noticed that, huh? n/t

[Godhumor]

177. It is a very obvious pattern n/t

[Prism]

12. They say the meek shall inherit

You know the Book doesn't lie. It's not a question of merit. It's not demand, it's supply.

You know the meek is what gonna get what's coming to them, by and by.

[lovemydog]

19. Yup.

You better vote for who Prism tells you to. Or you're gonna get what you deserve.

[bravenak]

25. A Hillary Beat down!!

I think my Auntie Hillary would comfort me right now. All these mean people.

[lovemydog]

27. Bring out the gimp.

It's scary up in here.

[Starry Messenger]

21. Yep.

Prism knows best.

[bravenak]

26. Of course.nt

[NCTraveler]

96. Racists here are outing themselves left and right.

They have left dog whistle territory and gone full on racist. Some things were said to me by members of the AA community here months ago about what lies right under the surface with Sanders support. I didn't believe these members when they were explaining it to me. My eyes were shut. Now the racism from them is overt and on a daily basis. I should have listened and understood that the AA community had seen this before and recognized it earlier than many of us. It's not that your stupid. You're ahead of the curve.

The fact that your recent op was hidden while this one stands really lets us know how deep the racist undertones really are.

[Skidmore]

97. +1

[bravenak]

118. Straight up. They think this makes me look bad and them look GOOD. Cracks me up!

This is certainly going to make me stop posting ops critical to Bernie's grassroots. I will just give up and join the Bern right now and not say that it looks exactly like I said it looks to follow the one black person on here who says critical things about race relations concerning Bernie supporters, and alert her on every post for hours until they get hides.
There is no way that this is just as ugly as it can be. We now know how inclusive and open they are. Not authoritarian at all. This is not censorship of ideas that are foreign to them and from a black pov that is clearly missing from his group.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

126. Your nemeses wouldn't have made it one day in your milieu, remember that.

EOM

[bravenak]

127. I know. Imagine them on the bus on skid row. Makes me laugh when I do that.nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

129. Do you miss L A ?

I will be here four years in March. I still miss Florida but the weather is good.

When is the last time you were back?

[bravenak]

130. Yes.

I left a decade ago after a tragedy. Makes it hard to come back. Too sad.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

131. If you visit, you, me and my gf can hang out...

I should be seeing 1SBM next month.

[bravenak]

168. Okay. That will be fun. I can bring my mom.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

169. That would be awesome.

Where does your mom live in L A?

general vicinity

[bravenak]

170. She is here. My sister is over in west la.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

171. When I first moved to L A I would take the 761 from Van Nuys to Westwood...

EOM

[1StrongBlackMan]

175. Yes sir! I'm looking forward to it! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

176. It is going to be great...I will just drive down to Costa Mesa.

EOM

[Sheepshank]

138. It takes my breath away realizing what kind of people call themselves Progressives,

and all those that have hitched their wagon onto this wagon train. Look at who is doing the Recs. So many of them screaming for purity and pointing fingers....and they rec this piece of garbage.

[Godhumor]

9. And this will help bring blacks and gays to Bernie how, exactly? n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

76. It's an observation. Does everything said on this forum need to be read as a ploy or an angle

from which to gain voters? I don't know that I agree or disagree, but it seems your cynical slip is showing.

[Skidmore]

98. Sometimes it's just

plain ole blindness.

[LanternWaste]

149. The same slip as made in the OP...?

"but it seems your cynical slip is showing...."

The same slip as made in the OP...? Or will you rationalize a difference where none exists, thus holding others to a higher standard of ethics than you may hold your own allies to?

[JaneyVee]

11. Doesn't she have a massive global non profit dedicated to...

Fighting AIDS in Africa and lifting women and children out of poverty?

[Fawke Em]

22. ...that may have been used as some sort of payola scheme

for allowing countries who donated to it to purchase weapons.

Not a good example.

[yardwork]

92. Some people say.... So it must be true.

Some guy I know heard it in Fox.

[LanternWaste]

151. is cowering behind implication the most effective argument you currently possess?

No doubt, you have objective, peer-reviewed evidence as such, yes? Or is cowering behind implication the most effective argument you currently possess?

[polly7]

93. What about the millions in the ME and Northern Africa who are now dead, killed in horrible ways,

maimed, widowed, orphaned, refugees being attacked, kidnapped and raped due to many of Clinton's direct actions?

You DO NOT care about 'women and children' if you select which ones you damned well know are to be 'dropped into' lives of horror.

It's hypocritical bullshit.

[oasis]

145. "Clinton's direct actions"??? Hillary=Rambo

[polly7]

146. All it takes is a fucking pen, or even an influential voice. nt.

[oasis]

150. I'll wait for the PBS documentary that backs up your claim. Nt

[polly7]

152. Why would you have to wait for that when the record on Iraq. Libya, Honduras, Syria ...

is already out there?

[MADem]

158. I love the way people have ZERO understanding as to how things get done in

this country.

They seriously BELIEVE (because they NEED to) that a SECSTATE can "go rogue" like Palin, and not articulate the sitting POTUS's vision. They seriously believe (because they NEED to) that a Senator has authority beyond their one lousy vote that usually does not make a difference in the big scheme. The day when a Senator comes rushing in before the vote closes to cast the deciding vote is a rare, RARE thing.

As for Hillary as Rambo, I will say she's tough and she can punch above her weight. Putin better watch himself! And she doesn't convey an attitude that she's outta gas, e.g. she doesn't address a podium like it's a geriatric walker!

[oasis]

160. She is indeed a toughie. (eom)

[senz]

178. -1000

That really sucked.

[saturnsring]

13. fucked over third world brown people as a matter of self-interested. really

[zalinda]

37. Read it and weep

"Nevertheless, the Clintons are facing a growing backlash that too little has been accomplished in the past five years and that some of the most high-profile projects they have backed — including a just-opened Marriott, another luxury hotel and the industrial park — have helped foreign investors and Haiti’s wealthy elites more than its poor.

“Bill Clinton is a good guy and well-intentioned, but the people here don’t think so — they think he’s here making money,” said Leslie Voltaire, a former government official who worked with Clinton on post-earthquake reconstruction. “There is a lot of resentment about Clinton here. People have not seen results. .?.?. They say that Clinton used Haiti.”"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-clintons-haiti-development-plans-succeed--and-disappoint/2015/03/20/0ebae25e-cbe9-11e4-a2a7-9517a3a70506_story.html

Read the entire article. While the Clintons did some good things, most of the money went to build opportunities for the elite, including Hillary's brother. Although they did get some one to open a garment factory, so the Haitians could make $5 a day sewing clothes for our department stores.

"Each morning, crowds line up outside the park’s big front gate, which is guarded by four men in crisp khaki uniforms carrying shotguns. They wait in a sliver of shade next to a cinder-block wall, many holding résumés in envelopes. Most said they have been coming every day for months, waiting for jobs that pay about $5 a day.

From his envelope, Jean Mito Palvetus, 27, pulled out a diploma attesting that he had completed 200 hours of training with the U.S. Agency for International Development on an industrial sewing machine."

Z

[MADem]

48. A link from way back in March...

You'd think if there was any weeping 'there' there, that we'd have heard the crying by now...?

A few right wing sites have been trying to flog this like there's some nefarious intent lurking in the background, but it's just not resonating. Probably because people just know better than to believe that kind of bull.

If "Clinton used Haiti" he would have tipped out of there. The foundation, though, has not left. They've invested over thirty million and they're not done--not just there, but across the Caribbean. Trees that Feed Foundation is training Haitians in Jamaica to grow breadfruit trees in Haiti to combat hunger--funded by the CF. They are also working on developing moringa as an export crop as well as a food source.

[oasis]

79. Let the truth be told. Nt

[MADem]

81. Zzzzzzzzz.....

[oasis]

143. To be clear.

I'm referring to the truth in YOUR informative post.

The OP is complete rubbish.

[MADem]

157. Oh--me too!

We're good!

The internet does muddy intent, doesn't it?

I find it terribly tiresome that whenever it comes to HRC, it's always "Waaah waaah something her HUSBAND did decades ago" or Waah Waaah something about the Foundation from which she has recused herself," but if you dare to bring up the past conduct or writings of other candidates (not their spouses--though there's grist for the mill there, too), it's "Waaah waaah don't bring up ancient history! UNFAIR, because ....unnnh MY favorite!!!"

[VanillaRhapsody]

108. that is hogwash...

[Dawgs]

113. LOL! Sums up pretty much every response we've seen to a Hillary policy post from her supporters.

Congrats!

[NuclearDem]

14. I know right? What the hell don't black people get about this?

Thank God we're here to educate them on what they actually want and what's best for them!

[JustAnotherGen]

89. I love your sense of humor!

sat in a jury yesterday and voted to leave it. . You keep on being you!

[sabrina 1]

15. Her involvement in getting the Welfare Reform Act passed says all that needs to be said about

how she cares about minorities and poor, single mother and their children.

[rbrnmw]

59. Welfare reform

You do realize there are more white folks on welfare than black folks. It's insulting to always talk about welfare reform as something important to black folks.

[sabrina 1]

80. Oh yes, we do realize that. And that was the PROBLEM with Clinton's 'Welfare Reform'. It was that

very WRONG perception that got so much support, from Republicans, for that atrocious legislation. It certainly is insulting and WRONG to 'always talk about welfare reform as something important to black folks'. But that's exactly how it was 'talked about' isn't it? And that's WHY it received the support it received, sadly.

I don't recall any attempt to correct that perception, do you?

[Person 2713]

121. Thank you ! And yes as insulting as can be

Racist stereotypes I read here all the time

[lovemydog]

16. I think you're wrong.

That's about as nice as I can say it.

[betsuni]

17. Oh, look! It's "Could the African American Community and the LGBTQ Folk Clue Me In???" Part 2

[lovemydog]

28. They may have Stockholm Syndrome

AND 'get what they deserve.'

What a double whammy.

[betsuni]

32. Thank goodness Prism has warned them before it is too late!

[bravenak]

39. No shit! I better go kick that thread!

[Puglover]

114. Oh look.

Prism is expressing his opinion of Hillary. People are allowed their opinions. The fact that you and several others try to push it off as racist is bullcrap. The OP is LGBTQ and so am I. He is expressing his opinion of Clinton. Period.

[Autumn]

120. I remember a poster voicing the opinion that "LGBTQ people have enough rights." a few years back

Now it seems that LGBTQ have no right to post an opinion on Hillary unless it's favorable.

[Puglover]

128. That person of course is a Hillary supporter in great standing.

They have doubled down again and again and NONE of the posters that are jumping over Prism have ever uttered one word of outrage about that. It is utter bullshit and I don't take any of them seriously.

[Autumn]

132. Very selective outrage. It's impossible to take them serious after

recent events.

[polly7]

124. And he's one of the fairest and most sensible people on this board.

Racist, he is NOT. That is just *'ing laughable.

Prism.

[Sheepshank]

18. So Hillary has like 70% percent of the AA vote

How many more times are Bernie supporters going to tell them, how stupid, brainless, hopeless and wrong they are?

Or do you subscribe the Stockholm Syndrome talking points?

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing such a racist pos post.

[akbacchus_BC]

23. Stop picking on Prism. The elections is a year from now.

You will be surprised who will get elected!

[lovemydog]

29. Sorry abc.

The original post is patronizing & hostile.

[akbacchus_BC]

34. Love, am sorry, I did not see what Prism posted.

I apologise and I really mean that. I never come on here to be hostile to anyone. Been here for years and always respected Prism. My apologies

[lovemydog]

41. Thanks abc.

Much appreciated.

I can tell that you're a very kind person.

[akbacchus_BC]

35. I apologise, I have always respected Prism. Never seen any racist

post from him/her. Gosh, DU is not what is was before. We used to respect each other and chat with each other. It is so different now. Am really sorry!

[Sheepshank]

36. Judging by your other post down thread

I completely understand why you don't see the offensiveness in the op.

[akbacchus_BC]

42. To be honest with you, I always liked Prism's posts.

If you say he said something offensive, then I have to agree to disagree with you.

This is not a fan club, this is a political site. We sometimes make mistakes with whom we like on here.

[boston bean]

101. Read the OP. Telling black persons they are fighting for their oppressors??

WTF???????????

[akbacchus_BC]

51. Sorry, I am very sorry, I did not see anything Prism said as offensive!

If he/she did, I never meant to agree with him/her. However, DU is Democratic and we are allowed to make mistakes in our support. No need to come down so hard on me. Let's try to understand each other, not accuse each other.

Am on your side too, that's why we voted against Harper. It took a while for Canadians to come to their senses but a lot still like the Conservatives.

We have to work together to agree to fight injustice not attack each other when we are on the same side!

[Number23]

87. + a million. Glad to see that folks here are finally catching on.

How about recognizing that Prism has picked on a majority of the AA community.

[AtheistCrusader]

40. Speaking of shame. Or lack thereof...

[Sheepshank]

43. Oh to be so subtle that no one has clue what you are on about...care to elaborate? Nt

[AtheistCrusader]

44. You, and your vicious attack on the OP, that's what.

Don't worry, you'll figure it out someday, when you realize how you treated friends and political allies for the hope of electing a candidate that is guilty of just what the OP stated.

You won't come back and apologize for trying to smear someone as racist, but that's ok. No one will ever expect you to.

[bravenak]

46. The post is certainly not pro black.

Feels like he said we are gonna get what we deserve. Which is horrors of course. Just made for us blacks to cringe at and others to make excuse for cause it is not talking about THEM.

[MADem]

53. Black people just aren't paying attention, don't you see...!!?!

Some of 'em are just too busy working on political campaigns to put their heads up and listen, to hear what's good for them, I guess!!

http://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2015/11/08/meet-5-black-millennials-working-on-hillary-clintons-presidential-campaign/

[bravenak]

54. I plan on joining her campaign after I register for classes.

Stupid I guess.

[eridani]

84. So she's trying to tell this guy how to vote?

[MADem]

88. How did you come to that conclusion?

What a curious (but amusing) painting! Trump's hair looks like that picture of that odd animal we see on a branch.

Does the artist consider those candidates two sides of the same coin...or what? It's a rather ambiguous rendering!

[SunSeeker]

141. LOL

[AtheistCrusader]

57. Sometimes one has to say something provocative to get your attention.

There are stark data-point contrasts between the two candidates that illustrate who walks the walk, and who is just talk. Economics gets technical AND speculative in a big way, real quick, but it doesn't take much to glance over at some more absolute issues, like which candidate supports the death penalty in a judicial system with a track record of disproportionate sentences, disproportionate prosecution, and disproportionate use OF the death penalty on a single factor; race. It's not hard to see which candidate supports the drug war (Just like the entire republican field, you have to go looking among the libertarians to find conservatives that support ending the drug war) which feeds into the physical and emotional civil rights abuses levied by the police against just about any minority. An excuse to put people in that very same judicial sink-hole that pursues convictions for racial biases. Pursues sentences based on racial biases. You name it.

Boggles me that it's not self-evident at a glance yet. OP is frustrated. Trying to get your attention.

[bravenak]

58. It's racist.

[AtheistCrusader]

61. Disagree.

[bravenak]

62. Then why are poor white republicans not mentioned as getting what they deserve?

Why save that just for us if it is not a call out on us based on our race?

[AtheistCrusader]

64. That's been said umpteen damn times here.

Would you like to hear more people say it more often? I'll say it.

Every last white American within spitting distance, or below the poverty line that votes Republican, is cutting their own throats, and dooming themselves to economic and healthcare policies designed from stem to stern to KEEP them in poverty.

[bravenak]

67. Why not poor white Hillary supporters, then?

Why the focus on just US in that negative, passive aggressive, you do what I say or get what you deserve way? Sounds racist to just save it only for us blacks.

[AtheistCrusader]

70. I could offer many reasons, but I'm not in that poster's head

so that poster can elaborate on your question.

Personally, I wouldn't flip what I said about white republcans the other way around about black democrats for Hillary, because that would in effect be saying there is no difference between Hillary or a Republican candidate, and I simply can't believe that. There are some issues with no daylight between, but not many.

If the question is Hillary or XFrankenRepublicanCandidateNominee, the choice is obvious. I vote Hillary.

But as long as the question is still Hillary or Sanders, and the hope for improvement in the treatment of Race by government agencies (DoJ/Justice reform/police reform), or policies, economic or drug related... You go with Hillary, I suspect you will be disappointed in the long run. I'm sorry, but that's the truth of it. I'm sorry that all you have articulated here is mockery of the idea that Sanders might be a better choice. (post 7)

OP could have been a little less bombastic, but then it probably wouldn't have gotten your attention.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

119. Perspective.

Black person: This is racist.
White person: I disagree.

[AtheistCrusader]

166. Given that it's a subjective viewpoint, we aren't likely to agree.

Yelling 'racist' in response to an opinion like that is at LEAST as non-productive as some have claimed the OP itself is.

[Sheepshank]

49. The op was racist

I spoke out. It's not the first time the op has stepped over the line

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=787154

Op is a bad player, can't imagine what it takes to write something so disgusting.

[AtheistCrusader]

60. That line was sexist. That was a good hide.

This OP, I doubt will fare the same by a jury.

[boston bean]

106. It was a 5-2 leave for this OP. harumph.

[betsuni]

90. Glad to be on that jury and vote to hide. Disgusting.

[Starry Messenger]

133. Yep.

[Number23]

172. Stunning thread, huh? And I'm sure you're as shocked by the author of it as well as the handful

supporting it as I am. Shocking, all of them. Really.

I just saw BB's thread about this in the AA forum. Before I could even read it, it had already been hidden. But this and the Stockholm Syndrome one still stand. DU has sure been at its finest lately.

[Starry Messenger]

173. And in a few weeks, they'll all pretend this never happened!

Just another fine day in GDP! Up is down! If you are against anti-black and anti-feminist posts, you are a bad person that no one likes with a ruined reputation. But post stuff like this--hero!

[yardwork]

95. Did you read the OP?

It's offensive.

[akbacchus_BC]

20. Well, you hit the nail on the head! When did the Clintons ever cared for people of colour!

Thing is, people of colour believed the Clintons and they got screwed. But you cannot blame black people to support Mrs. Clinton, she is the best they know! Republicans do not care about black people. And the little carrot that the Clintons dangle, makes a lot of black people feel that the Clintons care for them.

Look at Bernie, he was always there for civil rights, he marched for civil rights. Thing is, Mr. Sanders does not say how much he was involved in the Civil Rights movement! He needs to speak out and let young black Americans know that he has their back!

[leftofcool]

102. Yea, they just so dumb, it's the best they know.

[AtheistCrusader]

38. Her position is evolving. Wait for it. Just a couple more polls now.

Never mind she supports elements of the war on drugs, which disproportionately victimizes black people.
Never mind she supports the death penalty, which is disproportionately used on black people.

Clearly Hillary is the best we can do.

[JonLeibowitz]

45. Your OP is offensive to the black community

Note: I support Sanders fully and will not vote for Hillary, not now nor ever. I also despise the PC culture that has swept the nation over the past years.

Your post is vile and disgusting. "If you fall for that, you deserve all you're about to get. Or not get. " NO NO NO. If "they" fall for that, they don't deserve it. It'll be that much more of a travesty. I'm against Hillary as much as the next person, but that will be the saddest part.

Your last paragraph is itself also talking down to black people. Please self-delete this OP.

[bravenak]

55. Thank you so much, Jon.

[Metric System]

47. Unhinged.

[Starry Messenger]

50. I'd love for you to read this out in the East Bay in public.

I'm sure people would just love the benefit of your wisdom. Be the change. Frank Ogawa plaza tomorrow, go for it.

[JackInGreen]

72. Ye know if I still lived on Jackson

I would.

[Gormy Cuss]

135. ^^^This^^^n/t

[SoapBox]

65. Kicked!

[McCamy Taylor]

68. You sound like "Father knows best". It is so endearing to be told what we SHOULD think.

[shenmue]

71. Is GDP for anything but obscene flamebait diatribes anymore?

Can Skinner think about shutting this down?

Disgusting.

[jfern]

73. I don't like Hillary, but this OP isn't helping.

[Chitown Kev]

78. lol

this shit would be funny if it weren't so stupid, racist, and asinine.

[Number23]

86. You've been here a few months now so I'm sure nothing in this OP is a surprise?

And especially not the person writing it?

[Chitown Kev]

110. nope

[Aerows]

82. And people wonder why the LGBT folks

in the Democratic party don't trust her. We were pissed off about the Rick Warren speech Obama gave.

We are not going to shut up, be silent, and be told that this is not the time to bring it up.

I applaud Black Lives Matter, because they are echoing the same fervency in their message. There may be no convenient time to address the gunning down of AA's by LEOs, the militarization of the police, and how it impacts our society.

And I don't give a good goddamn when it will be convenient to address it, because it is inconvenient for the lives being destroyed and cut short.

We have to stand together and say *NO MORE*.

[yardwork]

99. "We" gay folk don't all think alike.

I disagree with your characterization of gay people and I strongly disagree with the OP.

[Puglover]

116. Nor do all POC.

Although a few posters on this board invest a lot of time pushing that meme.

[Aerows]

147. Bingo!

You know exactly what I'm talking about, PL

[Capt. Obvious]

153. That's just a misuse of pronouns on their part

My wife does that all the time. She'll say something along the lines of, "we should mow the lawn," which translates to, "you should mow the lawn."

Happens all the time.

[Puglover]

154. <SIGH>

I pull that all the time on my poor husband.

[Capt. Obvious]

156. Too many times my response is to not do whatever it is

that "we" were supposed to do.

At some point the blowup is coming - "I thought we decided that we were going to clean our daughter's room!!!?

To which I respond, "Oh? You mean you didn't do it either?"

I pick and choose those responses.

[eridani]

85. The 2007 candidate of "hardworking people, white people"

Whose daddy taught her how to use a gun.

[upaloopa]

91. This drivel is sounding pretty desperate. What's the point of this OP?

It's reads like some juvenile screed that a kid who is mad because they can't get their way would write.

[yardwork]

94. This gay person disagrees with your characterization of Hillary.

I'll let the black people speak for themselves.

[upaloopa]

107. It is pure paternalism

[NorthCarolina]

109. She's New and Improved! now though

:large

[hootinholler]

139. LOL

Reply so I can find that later when I get home!

[NorthCarolina]

167. Found it circulating on

twitter. It seemed pretty much on-the-mark.

[Truprogressive85]

111. I'm waiting

What has Hillary Clinton done for black people ??
What past actions can support she will do anything for black people ?

I still have not seen a compelling case


- signed a concerned black liberal

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

115. I've been told she campaigned for various black politicians.

Never was told any names, but that's what I was told. It was also never clarified whether they were running against white candidates or other black candidates. But that's about as compelling a case as I was ever offered by any Hillary supporter.

Given the damage done to generations of black Americans as a result of Clinton-supported policies, I'm at a loss to figure out just what she COULD do that would be enough to offset what she's already done. But somehow, she's managed to avoid having her past stances, speeches, votes count against her.

[jeff47]

122. You're not going to find such a list here.

Mostly because there isn't a compelling case.

But any attempt to discuss that gets shouted down by some supporters as "telling black people what to think" or shouted down as sexist because her track record on the subject involves her actions as first lady. For example, "It Takes a Village" wasn't exactly positive towards the oppressed, but discussing that is labeled as conflating Hillary Clinton with Bill Clinton.

[Dem2]

117. This is not helpful

Oh great, and the Third Way canard tossed in at the end for good measure.

You're turning people off to Bernie, not a good post IMO.

[ieoeja]

142. Why do you say "Third Way canard"?

a : a false or unfounded report or story; especially : a fabricated report

b : a groundless rumor or b

She was president of the DLC! Her Third Way credentials are hardly a secret.

[Dem2]

161. Because 3rd way only has meaning on DU as far as I can tell.

I'm not dedicated to undercutting her, it's a perspective that those who are find difficult to comprehend it seems. I believe in second chances, and that people grow over time. Also, there's nothing at all wrong with a politician succumbing to the will of the people, that is what they are supposed to do to an extent. Let's not forget that.

[ieoeja]

162. Then you would be way wrong. The Third Way think tank has a great deal of influence in DC.

It has a great deal of meaning outside of DU.

[Dem2]

164. I'm wrong then.

And you're right. I'm glad we cleared that up.

[ieoeja]

165. Sorry. Didn't mean to come across snarky. I suck that way. n/t

[senz]

179. No, it's out in the world. It's real.

Here's the wikipedia entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way

Here's the website: http://www.thirdway.org/

[Dem2]

180. ANd very few people outside of DU know to search for those links

It's never mentioned on other political sites I go to. (I was aware it technically exists, sorry if I was unclear.)

[senz]

181. Well, sometimes with all the bickering, horrible accusations,

and verbal aggression, I wonder if DU is worth it. But if DU people are better informed that those on other sites, then maybe it is.

Small doses might be the key.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

123. As a white guy...

As a white guy I am glad other white guys are telling black guys and gals what to think.

[lunamagica]

125. It's so sad to see what DU has become. I get that you are desperate because you are losing,

so you decided to lash out, but posts like your OP are never justified.

What did you think you'd accomplish with this. Don't you really get how insulting your OP is?

[YoungDemCA]

140. "Stockholm Syndrome" "Fight for your oppressor"

'Why won't black people vote for Bernie?.... "

And many more on "GD: P's greatest hits (2015)"!

[onehandle]

144. Hillary will be our next President no matter what you do or say.

That must be very frustrating for you.

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[LanternWaste]

148. We're supposed to all believe this now?" Yours or her new-found, politically expedient concern..?

"Seriously? We're supposed to all believe this now?"

Much as we are supposed to believe a poster alleging concern for people of color when politically expedient? (this is where you feign righteous indignation at the implication being redirected back again, and then rationalize a distinction without a difference to better validate your bias)

As you indeed write, "That is some god damned good marketing..."

[Faux pas]

159. BRAVO

[George II]

163. No, we're not "supposed to all believe this now". If you know anything about Clinton's record...

...over the last 30+ years or even more, you should have believed "this" way back then.

[KingCharlemagne]

182. Only slightly more than she cares about Iraqis - nt