One thing I noticed about Hillary Supporters... They never quote Sanders when they say he's lying

[berni_mccoy]

Maybe they don't like the answer that he's not lying so they have to make shit up to make him seem as bad as Hillary is. Here's what Sanders actually said to Stephanopoulos and regarding a Democratic primary race in 2012:

From the interview with Stephanopoulos (transcript here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-donald-trump-ben-carson/story?id=35044135) :

Sanders: No. No. Look, this is media stuff. What ends up happening -- I do and have done for years a radio show every single Friday, with Thom Hartmann. Somebody asked me years ago, do you think there should be a primary opponent to Barack Obama?

And I don't know exactly the words that I -- I'm not sure -- what's wrong with a primary situation?

There is no lie here. Sanders did suggest that it would be a good idea to have a primary. That is not the same as working to organize one. Nor is it wrong to talk about the idea, especially in the context of being asked about in on the damn Thom Hartmann show. I guess to the Hillary SuperFANs on this site, Thom's under the bus too.

[upaloopa]

1. Geez you have our words down so well "under the bus" "make up shit" "

Must be getting desperate. Keep making up shit

[riversedge]

2. Bernie should review what he said.......

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/


SANDERS: Brian, believe me, I wish I had the answer to your question. Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues, he said one thing as a candidate and is doing something very much else as a president; who cannot believe how weak he has been, for whatever reason, in negotiating with Republicans and there’s deep disappointment. So my suggestion is, I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing. […] So I would say to Ryan [sic] discouragement is not an option. I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.

Listen to it:

[Thinkingabout]

6. Well, here is the quote, it has been furnished again.

[berni_mccoy]

9. Is that a call to primary him? No. Is he discussing the idea in the context of a question? Yes.

That doesn't make anything he said this weekend a lie.

[JaneyVee]

11. Jeez, it's ok to admit he lied.

[berni_mccoy]

12. Except that he didn't. Even though you want it to be true very very hard...

that doesn't make it so.

He was honest in his response to Stephanopoulos that he discussed the idea on Thom Hartmann's show. You know Thom, right?

[stevenleser]

39. If you want to see something really funny, see the OP I linked in #36 below. nt

[840high]

54. You don't admit that about Hillary. Why?

[kristopher]

61. Actually Bernie's describing exactly what BHO said we should do.

When Obama said that we should "hold (his) feet to the fire", this is the type of action by the left he was describing.

[Autumn]

20. "contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing"

was a damn good idea.

[stevenleser]

21. As hard as it should be to argue that, it won't stop many here who support Bernie.

The excuses will all be only slightly less hilarious than...

"Well, Bernie was so distracted from a UFO that flew down from Andromeda to congratulate him on being so wonderfully Progressive that he accidentally said "good" idea instead of "bad" idea. "

or

"Bernie had eaten some bad fish the night before and was hallucinating that Nader had been elected President and was trying to show he could be a loyal Democrat (even though he wasn't one yet) and was saying Nader should be primaried even though the words came out as "Obama" "

or

"Bernie thought it was a joke interview where he was just supposed to say something funny or shocking. He never knew it would be taken as something he really believes"

[dreamnightwind]

34. That is a great statement by Sanders, I agree with it 100%

and thank him for making it.

I very much wanted someone from the left to run against Obama in 2012. Many of the people who voted for Obama in '08 were disappointed with how he governed. He punched down instead of up, and he did it consistently. Not at all what he campaigned as.

The truth is we actually turned in massive numbers in '08 to elect a change candidate, after rejecting the primary candidate we perceived as being more corporatist and hawkish, Hillary. As it turned out, IMO, he governed much the same as Hillary would have governed, business as usual but better than Republicans on issues where it didn't require challenging powerful interests.

I realize not everyone sees it that way, but a lot of us do. Those of us that see it that way were hoping for a primary challenger to reassert our demands for actual change.

I don't have the words to express how thrilled I am to have someone like Sanders standing up for what I believe in. Our party has left people like me without representation for pretty much my entire adult life, though they claim to be all for us at election time, then ignore our issues because the power lies with big money, and that's who they represent.

I would have given up on this party if they had run Hillary without a serious challenge from the left. We'll see how it all plays out, but the way Hillary supporters are attempting to use this well-stated stance by Sanders against him gives me little hope that the party is even worth saving. It certainly isn't if people like the ones making these attacks are the ones running the party.

We have a big business party, it's the Republican party. We need a party that represents the interests of the people who can't write the huge campaign checks. If that isn't us, we have no legitimacy.

[jalan48]

37. I totally agree.

The Clinton folks love this "loyalty oath" stuff. You see it on DU all the time. It must be all they have since they don't seem to be issues oriented.

[AzDar]

47. ^ This.

[cui bono]

44. That's perfect. Nothing wrong with that. He's absolutely correct.

[Mnpaul]

60. He doesn't like uncontested primaries

Ensuring a vigorous debate is one factor in his consideration of a potential campaign. “Yes, I think an uncontested primary, or as they sometimes say ‘a coronation,’ is not a good thing for America,” he said. “This country faces enormous problems in terms of a disappearing middle class, increases in poverty, massive income and wealth inequality, a Citizens United Supreme Court decision, which allows billionaires to buy elections, climate change — huge issues — and they need to be vigorously debated.”
http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150317/NEWS0605/150319198/0/img

and he's right. An uncontested primary allows the other side to grab all the media attention.

[cui bono]

69. And an uncontested primary means the Dems can keep moving rightward.

This primary is a perfect illustration of that. We've all seen Hillary move left in campaign rhetoric because the people are responding to Bernie's message. She would never have done that on her own.

Not that she would govern that way if elected.

[Thinkingabout]

3. Spin spin spin.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

22. It's there in print

[Thinkingabout]

38. See post#2

[HassleCat]

4. I'm not lying

When I say I'll vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination. But I would be lying if I said I was happy about it. The same people who assure us she is a sure thing, resistance is useless, you will be assimilated, etc. turn right around and launch these fabricated attacks on Sanders. I can see some Sanders supporters getting desperate and doing cut-and-paste of some of the Fox News garbage about Clinton. It's not right, but it makes a certain amount of sense, because it's the underdog trying to bite back at the front runner. But for Clinton supporters to scream, "He' lying! Look! Look! We caught him in a lie!" That is just stupid. Ah, well. Only a few more months of this.

[Thinkingabout]

7. See post #2, it has the quote.

[HassleCat]

19. Yes, it does.

And the quote shows Sanders thought it would be a "good idea." Pretty hypothetical, I'd say. Now Clinton supporters have Sanders actively organizing opposition to Obama, like he was some one-man tornado, out there trying to find somebody to cause trouble for Obama. I don't understand why Clinton supporters are so desperate to seize on Sanders' denial that he didn't really want to "primary" Obama. It sounds to me as if he didn't even consider it more than a hypothetical. Now Clinton supporters have Sanders trying to drive Obama from office. If Clinton is such a sure thing, why is Sanders such a threat? Why do Clinton supporters, some of them anyway, risk getting into a nasty political brawl over this insignificant Vermont socialist with funny hair? It's like they can't resist a battle. "Come out and fight! Come out and be crushed by our mighty juggernaut!" I wonder if they are somehow waging some righteous battle vicariously, through their candidate. I KNOW some of my fellow Sanders supporters are doing that, but hell, we're socialists, so what do you expect?

[beam me up scottie]

23. "I don't understand why Clinton supporters are so desperate to seize on Sanders' denial"

I do, it's a distraction.

Anything to avoid discussing issues.

[BeanMusical]

40. +1 Distraction is all they have. And venom.

[beam me up scottie]

41. Why discuss issues when you can manufacture outrage?

[Blue_In_AK]

13. They do tend to punch down, but whatever.

If she's such a sure thing, why do they even give a rat's ass what Bernie said or didn't say?

[LiberalArkie]

5. I loved this article bashing Bernie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251782615

Sanders, the Vermont senator, doesn’t hedge with labor. Just about anything on the broader labor agenda, he champions. He recently unveiled legislation that read like a union wish list in front of a spirited throng of laborers shouting approval, Almada among them.

Sanders bristled when a reporter asked whether the bill would help him win endorsements from national unions – which it hasn’t. “It’s not a question of winning,” he snapped. “This is legislation I have supported, quite honestly, since literally the first year I was in Congress.” That was a quarter-century ago.


Despite Sanders’ deep support for labor, the national nurses’ organization that Almada sought to join is the only major union to endorse Sanders in the race for the Democratic nomination for president. It is dwarfed by much larger labor groups that are lining up with his arguably less committed, less reliable rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[Autumn]

8. They often quote Bernie, but as a rule the quotes are carefully edited.

This

I think one of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him and I think it would do this country a good deal of service if people started thinking about candidates out there to begin contrasting what is a progressive agenda as opposed to what Obama is doing and I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.” http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/

becomes this

“One of the reasons the president has been able to move so far to the right is that there is no primary opposition to him… I think it would be a good idea if President Obama faced some primary opposition.” http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stephanopoulos-presses-sanders-for-suggesting-obama-primary-challenge-in-2012/

and of course some people prefer to use the second quote because they don't like Bernie for some weird reason.

[beam me up scottie]

10. Well isn't that interesting?

Funny how a little selective editing makes all the difference.

So dishonest, they remind me of Fox News pundits.

[Autumn]

16. And if you give them the part that's left out its "All you did was give Sanders' REASONING

for what he said. But he STILL said it. Then lied about saying it."

even when he admitted it on Snuffleupagus's show

[Dragonfli]

67. One of them actually is, and oddly wrote more venom about Clinton in 08 in OP Eds

than any Sanders supporter has during this run.

It is almost as if a faux FOX liberal slandered whomever he'd been told to depending on the primary.

These days he loves the Hillary he ratfucked last time around.

His moral compass and views on candidates lacks a magnet and relies on his sponsors flatulence to move the needle one might think.

[beam me up scottie]

68. Yep, I noticed that too.

A few of her most fervent admirers called her all kinds of nasty names in 2008.

I don't trust any of them, least of all the one who's paid to smear.

[azmom]

14. [phone]

[ucrdem]

17. No material difference. nt

[Autumn]

18. okay

[PosterChild]

53. Yep. eom

[FlatBaroque]

29. funny

i endorse both versions. Makes me feel bernier

[Luminous Animal]

15. Kick.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

24. Hillary supporters are getting desperate

read what Bernie actually said

[2pooped2pop]

25. what's amusing is how they jump on such a small

thing, true or not, and try to make a benghazi out of it. It's so hard to find anything negative on Bernie that they are cracking me up when they try to make absolutly anything into a something.

He's racist, he's sexist, he lies, he's a man! Oh my!

[beam me up scottie]

27. Yep, reminds me of this:

[artislife]

50. But a tiny baby ghost squirrel! nt

[beam me up scottie]

51. They see squirrels everywhere!

Just don't get them started on butts...

[FlatBaroque]

30. And he has rape fantasies

there's one particular gutter-dweller who peddles this line constantly. I don't know if he still works here or if he's moved on exclusively to the gutter site.

[Vattel]

26. Your transcript is inaccurate in a way that makes it less clear that Sanders didn't lie.

He said:

No. No. Look, this is media stuff. What ends up happening -- I do and have done for years a radio show every single Friday, with Thom Hartmann. Somebody asked me years ago, do you think there should be a primary opponent to Barack Obama? And I don't know exactly the words that I said-- I said "Sure, what's wrong with a primary situation?" The idea that I worked against Barack Obama--one second George--the idea that I worked against Barack Obama is categorically false.

Somebody asked him if he thought there should be a primary opponent to Barack Obama and he said "sure." Sounds like the liars are those who claim that he denied that he said that there should be a primary opponent to Barack Obama.

[sadoldgirl]

28. No, he did not lie.

I for one would like every President as well as
Senator to go through a primary.
3 years in office should tell the voters where
that person stands.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. Post about supporters

[Kalidurga]

32. Darn

I was hoping they had something. I have been trying ever so hard to take the halo off of Bernie, but gosh darn it every time they say looky at this, it turns out there is no there, there.

[retrowire]

33. Yeah I don't get the hurt over this

Are we all supposed to be loyal ass kissers to Obama or something?

What the hell is wrong with encouraging competition?

People will seriously use anything they can won't they? LOL

I really don't understand the "OMG NOBODY MUST EVER SAY ANYTHING TO SLIGHT KING OBAMA"

[pnwmom]

35. It's not debunked. He said that. He just wishes he hadn't. n/t

[Ed Suspicious]

45. Your on to something! Run with it!

[stevenleser]

36. You better clue in this other Sanders supporter who disagrees with you and wrote an OP about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251783473

[berni_mccoy]

52. I think you are misreading that Steve.

The fact is the lie being posted is that Sanders denied it. He did not deny it. He affirmed it. I'm in agreement with that other poster and if you read my OP you would know that.

[bvf]

55. Your point here is obvious

even before a visit to the linked OP, which, while differing in thrust, makes essentially the same point, viz., there was no lie.

Your point was to imply a disagreement between a couple of members here where there is none.

I must say you've got that lying thing down pretty well your own self.

.... .. .......

[840high]

56. +1

[beam me up scottie]

59. Indeed.

After what he said about Hillary in 2008 I'm shocked that he thinks he can throw stones.

[bvf]

62. You know,

if I were a Clinton handler, I'd pay some Alan Colmes type to post all sorts of his pro-Hillary shit here.

That's how bad a handler I would be.

[beam me up scottie]

64. It's almost poe-ish, isn't it?

You have to wonder what the goal is...

[bvf]

65. Performance art?

I love that term "poe," btw. It fits well here.

[beam me up scottie]

66. It has to be.

At least it's keeping us entertained.

[George II]

42. His actual words have been posted on DU, in fact just earlier today.

[stupidicus]

43. it's an attack from likely rightwing-like BS haters

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/11/08/bernie-sanders-destroys-martin-omalleys-allegation-obama.html

otherwise known as turdweighers...lol

their scales a tad off with this one

[Victor_c3]

46. I love the "lower Bernie to Hillary standards" tactic

I got in an argument the other day with someone claiming that Bernie Sanders voting for a bill that continued the funding to the war Iraq (and which included some F-35 pork that would go to Vermont) was akin to Hillary's vote for the war on Iraq.

I have mixed feeling on Bernie's vote (I was a Soldier deployed to Iraq and I was thankful that I had great equipment even though I didn't believe in the war and the F-35 is a total waste of money). However, to say that it is akin to Hillary's war vote is a huge stretch by my book.

[bvar22]

71. Bernie does not have a line item veto for the Military Budget.

He votes for the budget to ensure that our children in combat in the WARS around the World have the very best equipment, Armour, weapons, food, and facilities possible.
Just like us mere citizens, we can't eliminate the things we don't like when we pay our income taxes.

[AzDar]

48. Some folks sure are shady and thirsty... just like their Candidate.

[BlueJazz]

49. This Major Big Deal has convinced me. I'm voting for Hillary and Trump.

Yeah.

[George II]

58. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=782987

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=782987

[SmittynMo]

63. Think about it

40 years in politics, fighting for the middle man. 0 baggage, Extremely honest and trustworthy.

There is no other choice than to make shit up.

Counter app: 359 days to go. Get ready for the ride

[Live and Learn]

70. K&R nt