2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumEmily’s List Official Accuses Bernie Sanders Team of Sexism
Emilys List Official Accuses Bernie Sanders Team of SexismMaggie Habermas
New York Times
Look, shed make a great vice president, the campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said of Mrs. Clinton to John Heilemann of Bloomberg Politics. Were willing to give her more credit than Obama did. Were willing to consider her for vice president. Well give her serious consideration. Well even interview her.
On Wednesday, Ms. Schriock wrote on Twitter that the comments were a Condescending insult by a team who knows better.
Hillary is possibly most qualified ever to run & Americans know it, she wrote.
Mrs. Clinton has tweaked Mr. Sanders as suggesting that she was shouting about gun control, an accusation he vehemently denied and which riled up his aides.
Clinton VP Offer Edgy Or Snarky But Nothing More, Says Sanders Campaign Manager
Evan McMorris-Santoro
Buzzfeed
But as the jabs flew between Clinton supporters and backers of Sanders, Jeff Weaver, his campaign manager, said the Sanders campaign is ready to put the negativity genie back in the bottle.
But, he said, that is up to Clinton.
They launched a vicious attack on us, we let them know that were not going to be a punching bag, and now were ready to resume important issues facing the country, Weaver told BuzzFeed News in an interview. Hopefully thats how well proceed from now until the convention.
Weaver dismissed the sexism charge.
It certainly, I think, could be interpreted as edgy or snarky but nothing more, he said.
Weaver, like other Sanders officials of late, said charges of sexism from Clinton supporters will be met with stern resistance.
Related:
Thom Hartmann to Hillary Clinton: Challenge Bernie Sanders on Real Issues
Thom Hartmann: Clinton lied to Rachel Maddow on DOMA and played "poor me victim" on "shouting"
Hillary Clinton Falsely Calls Bernie Sanders a Sexist
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Beausoir
(7,540 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Why are some on the Sanders side so desperately trying to claim they are being called sexist left and right when reality doesn't back them up?
There is zero question that the comment was condescending. There is zero question as to if Clinton is qualified.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)We agree. It was condescending and stupid.
Since we agree on that, if one was to stay logically consistent, you would also have to agree EL called it condescending, not sexist as the op is trying to insinuate. Why, because it's what they did and you have already agreed with them.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)You may be right.
You know in all honesty, I just did what I often complain about. I made a leap from condescending to "sexist." Gotten too sensitive about that I guess.
That's why I hate this personalized "gotcha" form of politics. If people are going to duke it out, I'd rather the duking be about issues that affect people and determine the course of the country.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)and not to use it as something it shouldn't be used as. Womens issues are extremely important to both of us and we would both hate to see sexist comments not taken seriously.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=739628
I held a very similar position months ago as underhandedly insinuations were made by attachment that Sanders was a racist. I think that time brought out some excellent conversations. Insinuations Sanders was a racist by way of attachment wasn't one of them.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Saying she'd make a great VP doesn't imply that she wouldn't also make a great Prez. Nobody doubts Hillary's qualifications. Her resume' is, if anything, deeper than Obama's was in '08. This tempest in a teacup is just the Clinton campaign seizing on something they can cynically* exploit...and various Hillary supporters like Schriock are doing their part.
*thus, perhaps, reinforcing that Hillary has the tools to be an effective (if not exactly admirable) president...
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Response to portlander23 (Original post)
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tammywammy
(26,582 posts)They never said "sexist" they said it was condescending and it was.
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)I know what Emily's List does as an organization, which is why I have supported them in the past.
However, I did err by not reading the full body of the post. I saw the headline, skimmed a very tiny bit of the rest, and assumed this was about the false meme of sexism being spread about Bernie over the "shouting" comment. The title threw me off, but that is not a very good excuse for not reading the post in full. Thus, the self delete.
I agree with you regarding that other comment. It does sound condescending.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)It should be to not trust headlines or even a four paragraph snippet.
I think he was trying for snarky/jokey about Clinton, but it came off condescending. Bernie needs to reign them in, because if this kind of stuff continues it will reflect badly on him. I don't think Bernie would have said anything close to what the campaign manager said.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)A person from EL called it condescending. It was condescending and there really isn't any arguing that. EL is an organization supporting pro-choice people. I'm sure they will rush right over to apologize to you for calling a condescending remark condescending just too keep the "donations" you have been giving them.
mcar
(42,334 posts)But I suppose Emily's List will be under the bus now because neither Bernie or his team can be criticized by anyone, ever.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)Sanders' campaign is fast.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)and sexist.
frylock
(34,825 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Where is the sexism?
djean111
(14,255 posts)Bernie being accused of being sexist does not negate how I feel about Hillary's positions on war, cluster bombs, war, Wall Street greed being okay, really!, the TPP (no matter what she says this week), advocating for fracking world-wide. Things like that. Those things affect women, and children, too, In a very bad way.
So anyone who believes that I (and I am a woman) would vote for someone who I cannot support because of actual issues, just because of a "sexist" smear, is either delusional or does not care about those issues. I will support candidates on the issues. I would have been happy to support Elizabeth Warren.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)LexVegas
(6,070 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)outline the sexism in that remark, please.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Can now be chalked up to anti-semitism.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Maybe it's time to start pushing that meme.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)That is demonstrably false, whether you like her or not. Compared to LBJ or Richard Nixon, she's a newbie. That's just a historical fact, regardless of whether you like Hillary or not.
So, if she's so great, and Bernie's so sexist (itself a lie, but one I'm not dealing with here), why do they have to lie?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They said it about Romney too. It's standard political claptrap.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Never trust a word out of that man's mouth.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So you don't recognise the truth when you see it.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)His agenda is to promote anything that can help Putin.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The insanity knows no limits.
Some people may need to take a break.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)Because both claims are completely and utterly preposterous if you have even the faintest clue what you're talking about.
Sorry about the direct attack, but that is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen written on this forum. Thom Hartmann is a genuine liberal and a national treasure, and even if you take issue with the fact that he's on RT--reasonable people can disagree--to claim that he's a shill for Putin is so ridiculous as to boggle the mind.
Alert away.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)But what he said about Sanders is priceless.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251741459
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)"We elect pro-choice Democratic women to office."
One sentence. Period. "...pro-choice Democratic women." This has always been Emily's List's mission statement.
https://www.emilyslist.org/pages/entry/our-mission
I fail to see what is "progressive" about attacking an organization which promotes pro-choice women in their campaigns.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I'll ask you what I've asked several posters who have yet to provide me with an answer: where is the sexism or misogyny in that remark?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Waaay to cocky and condescending for a campaign down by 30+ points. It's also insulting to her supporters.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)How will the Hillary campaign survive this brutal assault? I hope they're not traumatized.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Yea, Sanders needs to fire this misogynist jackass swiftly.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)The hole isn't deep enough yet. And this isn't one of Manny's attempts at satire. You are doing your candidate proud.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Outline the sexism in that remark, please.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)How are job interviews or the VP slot inherently sexist?!
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)In the British sense of the term...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Strong women rock!!!
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)They are also one of Hillary's largest political contributors, so they are clearly and demonstrably not objective. Anything they say about Bernie can and should be summarily ignored.
Would we care if Citigroup called Bernie "sexist?"
drray23
(7,634 posts)Bernie is running against Hillary. What is he expected to say ? Well, she is more qualified than me and she should be the president?
Of course not. He is saying that if he gets the nomination he will be happy to ask Hillary to be the VP. If this situation ever happen, it will be up to Hillary to decide if she wants it.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Bringing this out over and over. We know what Sanders said, he has stated there are inappropriate remarks and just when Sanders seems to quiet this down another run and he just can't escape. Whether it came out as he intended or not why does this need to be thrown in his face over and over. Let it rest, he wants to move on.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)BTW, Emily's List never said it was sexist, they said it was condescending. It was condescending.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Statement including Secretary Clinton by name but perhaps I am incorrect. If Sanders was only saying Weaver's statement was inappropriate I wish he would revisit his statement during the debate, if not I guess the pass I was trying to give him on Secretary Clinton shouting is right back on the table.