'Bernie's Flat Tax' is in reality Senator Gillibrand's Family Act, currently co-sponsored by about

[Bluenorthwest]

20 Senators including Warren, Booker, Merkley, Baldwin, Brown...
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/786/cosponsors

People who say they can't find details of 'Bernie's proposed tax hike' need to look at Gillibrand's site for the details, for it's her bill...
http://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/issues/paid-family-medical-leave


If you look at current popular Democratic legislation and see radical Socialist intention and a flat tax to fund a revolution what exactly does that say?

Sorry folks. This is not Bernie's platform, it's what your own damn Party is doing right this minute. And apparently no one here knows this, and those who are so upset about it don't even know who to complain to about it or blame for it.
Here is where to take your complaints:
Kirstin Gillibrand
New York City Office
780 Third Avenue
Suite 2601
New York, New York 10017
Tel. [phone]
Fax [phone]

Let us all know what she says!!!!

[azmom]

1. K & R

[sheshe2]

2. Boom!

Sorry folks. This is not Bernie's platform, it's what your own damn Party is doing right this minute. And apparently no one here knows this, and those who are so upset about it don't even know who to complain to about it or blame for it.
Here is where to take your complaints:
Kirstin Gillibrand
New York City Office
780 Third Avenue
Suite 2601
New York, New York 10017
Tel. [phone]
Fax [phone]

KnR!

[BeanMusical]

21. Please read post number 10.

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Well, the whole thread. That Boom! is intriguing.

[PoliticAverse]

3. I wonder how DUers would treat Social Security if it were introduced today...

being that it is supported by the same type of "regressive" "flat tax".

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Never Good Enough, Bernie!!!

It's all Bernie's fault! Always!

[Art_from_Ark]

7. Not always

Sometimes it's the fault of us boomers! 'Cause we're getting old, and stuff!

[beam me up scottie]

5. Well okay then.

I love you Blue!

[BeanMusical]

25. :giggle:

[MuseRider]

8. I heard him say it was her bill

just recently. I do not remember where but he does give her credit.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Of course he does, but some on DU are blaming Bernie for this, a piece of legislation they oppose

because Bernie is for it, which many here thought was his idea and a proposal for his administration. It is in fact, just Democratic Senate business.....

[MuseRider]

11. LOL!

Ok, sorry to laugh but I am sick and also sleepy. Can't keep up with this any more. Old, dazed and confused!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. I can't remember the movie offhand but there's a scene that popped into my head....

It was in black and white and there was this big burly wrestler coming right at you saying, "I will destroy you!!!"

That's what Hillary supporters think this did to Sanders campaign.

(sigh)

[beam me up scottie]

31. They sound like Republicans. "If Bernie's fer it, then I'm agin it!"

[Bluenorthwest]

9. H.R.3712 - Family and Medical Insurance Leave Act of 2013 Sponsor: Rep. DeLauro, Rosa L. [D-CT-3]

House version, 22 months into the process. 101 Co-Sponsors.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/3712/cosponsors

Will DU's Small Gov'ment Bernie Opposition Society launch an organized effort against the Family Act 'cause you know, Denmark?

Where to tell Rosa DeLauro something's rotten in the state of Denmark:
2413 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
[phone]
Fax [phone]

[Cassiopeia]

12. Does Hillary support this legislation?

[BeanMusical]

23. Good question.

[Cassiopeia]

26. A question that will be ignored.

[JTFrog]

39. No, it won't.

But nice snark I guess.

[Agschmid]

36. Hillary stands for longer paid parenthood leave.

She's spoken about it several times, whether or not she supports this specific bill I'd have to google it.

[JTFrog]

38. "Clinton not only championed paid leave, she went a step further..."

http://mashable.com/2015/10/14/hillary-clinton-family-leave/#EWCYKpECgGqQ

Clinton not only championed paid leave, she went a step further. The former secretary of state criticized Republicans who don't support mandatory policies to help new families, but have no problem using "big government to interfere with a woman's right to choose."

~~~~~~~~

The Family and Medical Insurance Leave Act, a bill sponsored by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y), would create a federal insurance program partly for parents caring for a new child. It would provide up to 12 weeks of paid leave.

Clinton said she would fund the expansion of paid leave by "making the wealthy pay for it."

__________________________

[pinstikfartherin]

13. Yes. Thank you. nt

[Uncle Joe]

14. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Bluenorthwest.

[Autumn]

15. Thank you for setting the record straight

[ucrdem]

16. Okay so where's the socialism?

[Armstead]

17. And further irony...Gillibrand is a strong Clinton supporter

I guess Hillary better purge her from the ranks of her campaign....Can't have any Flat Tax socialists

[Cheese Sandwich]

18. rec.

Thank you.

[PatrickforO]

19. So, people are really bitching about this???

You know, if you say you want paid family medical leave, then it has to be paid for. That means a payroll tax increase because it would be run out of Social Security.

I want single payer healthcare too. And, yes, I'm willing to pay for it. I already pay out the nose for shitty, rationed insurance, and you know what? I'm sick of my money going to an insurance carrier. If I'm gonna pay all that, I want a British style single payer system that is NOT tied to employment. Enough for everybody.

[beam me up scottie]

20. They're only bitching about it because someone blamed Bernie.

I guarantee this won't be an issue now that the truth is out there.

Obvious posters are obvious.

[Cassiopeia]

24. I was hit last year on my taxes due to a move.

The reason, I failed to have health insurance for 3 months while I changed jobs.

I'm gonna get nailed again this year as I've changed jobs again.

I didn't want to go without insurance, I didn't have a choice because I had to wait 90 days for benefits to kick in.

Enough of the bullshit. Cut out the middleman insurance companies and give us healthcare. If I can support wars with taxes, you can support my health with taxes.

[jeff47]

35. You can avoid those

Leaving your job triggers a "special enrollment period", which allows you to buy insurance from the exchanges immediately. So buy a cheap "hit by a bus coverage" plan for about 60 days (assuming it's less than the penalty).

[Cassiopeia]

40. Key word "buy"

During both of those job changes it was a struggle to fund day to day life, let alone insurance that is useless.

[jeff47]

41. So you decided to take the tax hit instead.

You had options, and picked one.

Just like I had options during the several economic collapses during my life, and I chose to pay huge penalties for clearing out 401k plans.

[Cassiopeia]

42. Yes I chose food and shelter over

a useless insurance plan for those 3 months.

[jeff47]

44. You chose to pay later instead of to pay now. (nt)

[Cassiopeia]

45. Yes

Thank you for your compassion.

The system is broken, Bernie is our chance to try and fix it.

Have a wonderful day.

[think]

22. K&R

[marym625]

27. i didn't even realize people were against it because they thought it was Bernie's

I received an email about from someone else. Can't remember who or what organization because I receive about a billion a week. I think it was Elizabeth Warren. But he never took credit for it.

Thank you for clearing it up. Sorry to find out the issue was they thought it was Bernie's.

[BainsBane]

28. Bernie pointed to it as the way for funding family leave on the Sunday News show

That it's Gillibrand's initial proposal doesn't make any less regressive.

Besides, with Bernie everything is theoretical. You'd think he could propose a fair theoretical solution.

[Prism]

29. I don't understand why you're promoting this dangerous communist on a Democratic website

*reads bill*

I don't understand why you're promoting these pie in the sky ideals when we need a pragmatic candidate in the general elections.

Or, whatever.

I speak authoritatively from a bar where an asian baker joining the marines is dancing with a hank williams look-alike wearing his hat low.

Real Americans!

(Note: Actually, that was what the bar looked like. Baker was super cute, though).

[BainsBane]

32. An article making Gillibrand's role clear was posted on this site yesterday

shortly after Bernie's statement on the George S's show.

This is the article, http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/politics/bernie-sanders-payroll-tax-hike-family-leave/

Initially linked to in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1237018

As well as my own thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=701208 (see the second link).

If you had actually read the articles linked to in my OP, you would have known that. Then you wouldn't have had to run around imagining you were putting together some sort of gotcha when the fact it is Gillibrand's legislation is linked to in my OP.

What "she says" is that it's sad so many are so certain that Gillibrand's involvement changes everything, as though they are so used to adapting their views around particular politicians that they can't imagine someone else might not.

[demmiblue]

33. K&R

The dishonest smears are disgusting.

I think DUers should really consider the source before they jump on the bandwagon. It seems some people get it wrong over and over again.

[joshcryer]

34. As I said when people were hang wringing. Great endorsement.

[Robbins]

37. Doesn't matter

whose idea it was.the democratic party will never act on trying to raise taxes on rich.that's just to fool 28 to 30% of liberal democrats to vote and to think democratic party has place for liberlas or progressives.

The party rushing to nominate ms wall street for president riase any taxes on rich? ha! That's a joke.

[NCTraveler]

43. K&R

I stated in one of those threads I didn't think it was his platform. Not to say he doesn't support it. Seems now that it has been vetted out I was correct. Thanks for that. I found it hard to believe he had an outlined policy position in this area.