2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton had a great night, but Sanders winning the focus group is reminiscent of Obama in 07-08
The Atlantic: Why Bernie Did Better Than the Pundits ThoughtSo did members of that audience like what they saw? It seems so. While pundits declared Clinton the winner, television focus groups and initial online polls went decisively for Sanders. Those are admittedly a wholly non-scientific pair of metrics, but the results got the attention of former advisers to President Obama, who said they saw the same dynamic play out during the debates eight years ago.
Clinton had a great night, but Sanders winning the focus group and online polls, but losing the pundits is reminiscent of Obama in 07-08
Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) October 14, 2015
The highlight of the night for Clinton came courtesy of Sanders, who in one exasperated pleaThe American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails!served to absolve her of guilt in the eyes of the Democratic Party. But this wasnt exactly the entirely selfless act of a kind rival. Sanders has made a concerted effort to distinguish himself from Clintonian politics, to rise above it by pledging that he wont take corporate money or engage in personal attacks. And this moment afforded him an opportunity to show, in one small but concrete way, what he means by that.
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randys1
(16,286 posts)Fortunately, now, all people can talk about is how fucked up the MSM for overtly taking sides.
This will change the atmosphere at the next debate.
portlander23
(2,078 posts)There's no "winning" a debate like this, there's mostly not imploding. Clinton did well. Bernie did well. There's definitely a disconnect between the pundits and the few responses we can actually measure. And while everything we can measure favors Bernie, they're not the most reliable measurements.
We need to see what the next batch of polling data tells us, and beyond that, who starts winning actual elections.
But the idea the pundits are pushing that Hillary "won" is just a collection of opinions.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I watched the debate (online) to see audience reaction to him, and it was pretty strong.
I am hoping for another election surprise like the one below, since the MSM is so discounting Bernie.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Consider it a badge of honor to be disliked by them for telling it like it is
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)or you might have something.
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