so Hillary is cooperating fully....and just suddenly realized they had a backup server all along?

[magical thyme]

Data firm gives FBI all backed-up Clinton emails

A Connecticut-based tech company that backed-up Hillary Clinton’s personal email account turned over a “hardware device” to the FBI Tuesday, the company said in a statement, adding that the FBI now has all of the Clinton emails the company had in its possession.

Colorado-based tech company Platte River Networks — which maintained Clinton’s server from the time she left office until it was turned over to the FBI in August — had partnered with Datto, the Connecticut-based data protection business, to ensure Clinton’s emails were properly backed up.

But while Clinton’s representatives and Platte River only asked Datto to provide an on-site back-up of her messages, they discovered in August that Datto had also been backing up her emails off-site in a cloud.

It’s unclear if the cloud back-up includes messages from Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State. The company says it had “no role in monitoring the content or source of data stored by Managed Service Providers clients such as Platte River Networks.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-email-server-fbi-platte-river-214521#ixzz3nv0CblvI

[Purveyor]

1. Lies, lies and more lies. This should help with her

"honesty" issues, indeed...

[ForwardMotion]

2. What exactly are they looking for?

[magical thyme]

4. more top secret emails mixed in with her personal emails. nt

[Fawke Em]

20. Educated guess?

To see if she was hacked by a foreign government.

Even if she didn't have "top secret" or "classified" information in her emails, she probably still had sensitive information which a government could use to harm us, blackmail her or God knows what.

[PoliticAverse]

3. “this whole thing really is covering up some shaddy (sic) shit,”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article37968711.html

[LiberalArkie]

8. Clinton Executive Service Corp. I am beginning to think Clinton, Inc may have more

divisions than the mafia does.

[cpompilo]

5. If I contracted a company to provide cloud services and that company backs up its servers using

an external 3rd party, I would not necessarily be aware of that fact. IT folks would likely at least expect this procedure/practice since it is common place and common sense data security. A non-IT professional might not know this. But then, that's part of the top secret clearance issues here, isn't it?

[magical thyme]

6. Nobody on Hill's team thought to ask their service provider if the data was being backed up?

Not even her IT guy thought of that? Or he thought of it, but didn't think to mention it to anybody when they were busy erasing her emails?

[cpompilo]

7. sounds about right.

[Maedhros]

9. Nobody thought to say "you're putting State Department communications on the FUCKING CLOUD?!?"

I'm speechless.

[virtualobserver]

26. When you have your head in the clouds, it is important that your email be there with you

[juajen]

43. I am so tired of this. What the hell do you all think she was hiding.

This paranoia needs to stop. No good reason for her to be doing all you accuse her of doing, and why in hell would she be doing it. Nothing for her to gain and everything to loose. Common sense left all of you.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

19. My company would fire a vendor who broke their SSAE16 by outsourcing backup without telling us.

.

[BlueMTexpat]

10. Secretary Kerry STILL uses a private email account, btw.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2015/09/30/john-kerry-sometimes-uses-private-mail-account-for-state-department-business-official-says/DmZz3PBxGgoUtOlREsuLhL/story.html

Colin Powell and Condi Rice also used/had recourse to private email addresses during their tenures as Secretary of State, as did Jeb Bush while he was governor of Florida. See http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/11/two-names-the-press-omits-from-email-coverage-c/202847

Hillary accomplished a lot more good for the US during her very hard-working tenure as Secretary of State than did Powell and Rice combined, so she likely used hers a lot more.

But somehow, it is Hillary who has been the only one to be castigated for such, and not just by Republicans.

[Motown_Johnny]

13. Please stop lying. The more the record needs to be corrected the longer the story lasts

Hillary used ONLY a private email server and it had information on it that could impact national security.


Powell used a Secure Government Email Server for business as well as a private one. Rice did not use personal email for government business.

JEB's server would have crap like the schedule for fixing an off ramp on I-75. Nothing like what Hillary was doing.


Guess what!!! Lots of people use a personal email account plus a business email account. I do it and I am a nobody. Hillary should have too.





http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-transcript-september-6-2015-n422606

^snip^


CHUCK TODD:

Your name gets invoked a lot during this email controversy. Once and for all, can you explain what you did with your emails as secretary of state?

COLIN POWELL:

You can read my book. I wrote a whole chapter about what I did in my latest book. It Worked for Me, Harper Collins, you can buy it on Amazon. But the point is I arrived at the State Department as secretary with a disastrous information system there. And I had to fix it. And so what I had to do is bring the State Department to the 21st century.

And the way of doing that was getting new computers. That gave them access to the whole world. And then in order to make sure that I changed the brainware of the department, and not just the software and hardware, I started to use email. I had two machines on my desk. I had a secure State Department machine, which I used for secure material, and I had a laptop that I could use for email.

And I would email relatives, friends, but I would also email in the department. But it was mostly housekeeping stuff. "What's the status in this paper? What's going on here?" So it was my own classified system, but I had a classified system also on my desk.





http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/mar/08/charles-schumer/fact-checking-chuck-schumers-defense-hillary-clint/

^snip^


Two of those individuals haven’t provided personal emails for good reason: They didn’t use email much during their time at the State Department. According to MSNBC, an aide for Albright said she "did not use email while she was in office" from 1997 to 2001.

Similarly, Rice, head of the State Department from 2005 to 2009, was not a habitual emailer either, according to multiple reports. As Harf noted in a State Department briefing, "Secretary Rice has repeatedly said that she did not regularly use email," and a spokesperson for Rice told ABC, "She did not use personal email for official communication as secretary."

Essentially, two of the four former officials contacted didn’t turn any emails over because they didn’t have any to turn over. That’s pretty important context.

[artislife]

16. Dammit...you are proving it isn't the same thing at all

stomp, stomp, stomp.

[Motown_Johnny]

17. And they think the double standards involved are against Hillary

when all the double standards I have seen are to excuse Hillary for things she never should have done or said.

[bigtree]

21. can we rummage through Powell's personal emails

...to see if he's telling the truth?

Better yet, let's make this a standard practice for candidates. ALL candidates submit your private emails for scrutiny so campaigns and critics can comb through them for dirt.

[frylock]

31. There would be no need to rummage through personal emails..

if Hillary had kept them on a separate mail server.

[Motown_Johnny]

38. I am not against that. The difference being.....

... that only the server that Hillary used for government business is being looked at. Yes, it is the only one she had but that is her fault. She should have used two accounts. Even she admits that now. Why are some of the loyalists here still supporting a position even Hillary has abandoned?

[BlueMTexpat]

30. How did I "lie" ???

What is keeping this story going is too many people who keep repeating GOPer talking points.

Let. It. Go.

[karynnj]

36. What keeps the story going is that more and more pieces become known

There are several things that I think the majority of people now agree on:

1) HRC should not have commingled personal and government email in one big account (even HRC agrees on this)

2) The Secretary of State's email should have been archived

3) The Secretary of State should not have had a private server, not maintained or secured by the government.

That HRC did commingle all her email, did not have a plan in place to get it to the SD, and used a private server are all not even in question.

The new stories that put this back in play are of the following types:

1) How many places did those messages go to?

2) Was her email hacked?

3) Are there still missing emails that should have been included?

The fact is this entire thing is a fiasco. Likely to try to keep complete control over her email - which is futile as there are two ends to email - she went to unusual lengths. The end result is the complete opposite to her goal. Like the Nixon tapes that shed light into that administration beyond other administration's -- this is happening to HRC.

It is true that you can find asinine RW stories that go beyond the facts -- but it is the bare bone facts - that are real - that do raise questions.

[Motown_Johnny]

39. You are the one who made the post, maybe you should let it go.

You posted:


Colin Powell and Condi Rice also used/had recourse to private email addresses during their tenures as Secretary of State, as did Jeb Bush while he was governor of Florida.


That entire sentence is a combination of lies and false equivalencies. As I posted:

Hillary used ONLY a private email server and it had information on it that could impact national security.


Powell used a Secure Government Email Server for business as well as a private one. Rice did not use personal email for government business.

JEB's server would have crap like the schedule for fixing an off ramp on I-75. Nothing like what Hillary was doing.



Yes, Powell and Rice had access to private email accounts. Rice did not use it for government business and Powell had a secure government email for emails with sensitive information. That Is NOT What Hillary Did!!! Everyone has access to private email accounts now. Even if you have a business account, you will also have a private one. Other than Hillary of course.

Hillary (for her own convenience) used only her private email account. Equating what she did and what Rice and Powell did is simply telling lies. That is one way in which you lied. The other is to equate JEB's Florida state business with State Department Business. There is no national security threat inherent in the day to day operations of being the Governor of Florida.



You are just repeating lies that have already been proven to be false. I am not repeating talking points, GOPer or otherwise. I am telling the truth. If you honestly can't tell the difference then you have serious issues.

People do not come here to be lied to and insulted. I am not a GOPer by any wild stretch and take offense at being told that I am just repeating their talking points. How about you abandon the falsified defenses that even the Clinton campaign has abandoned? You are way out of line on this one.

Let. It. Go.

[karynnj]

22. Kerry's practices are a role model of what HRC should have done

Read the linked article. Kerry himself uses a state.gov account for his work email, but his team has the additional step of culling any occasional state department related emails on his private accounts. The explanation is pretty obvious - Kerry has hundreds of people with whom he has relationships extending back many decades.

THIS is what HRC should have done. Had she done this, all the email would have been there for inquiries and FOIA requests AND THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO QUESTION.

So - HRC NEVER used State.gov and Kerry does as his default for State Department emails. Kerry has a process that checks for any work related email on his private accounts and archives it for the State Department. HRC obviously didn't. HRC set up a private server, Kerry did not.

Go after the fact that Rice and Powell did not secure a complete record, but the facts are that Kerry - from day 1 - has taken the steps needed to do so. Throwing mud at Kerry - who is a very good Democrat, liberal and a person who has been far cleaner than most in DC over a more than 3 decade career - to defend Clinton? In the first place, Kerry did not do what HRC did - second, even children learn that arguing that the "other kids did it too" rarely gets them out of trouble.


Attack Powell and Rice, but Powell and Rice both did not have their own servers -- they did use personal email to some degree.

[BlueMTexpat]

29. Well, Hillary did mention the drawbacks

which is why Sec'y Kerry was able to learn from them. And Hillary turned her emails over, which Rice and Powell never did.

This is simply another witch hunt. Please stop repeating GOPer talking points.

I am not "throwing mud at Kerry" (whom I admire), but simply stating fact. But please do go ahead and jump all over me for your perception since it's what I've come to expect from some here. We are NOT on opposing sides, which I hope that you will remember in 2016.

It's also interesting that Kerry, who had lots of reason and experience with GOPer lies, also voted for the IWR. Remember that Clinton was a newly-elected junior Senator from NY state which was still pretty traumatized by 9-11, pathetically ready to believe the lies published by the NYT. Her constituency was likely overwhelmingly PRO. But again, it is Clinton who is castigated for this mistake, which she has admitted was a mistake.

[karynnj]

34. I am not repeating Republican talking points - the private server is a self inflicted wound

Exactly what "drawbacks" did HRC mention that Kerry learned from? It does not seem that HRC had a problem with her email --- until she got in trouble earlier this year. In fact, both HRC and Kerry acted completely in line with what anyone who followed them closely through their careers would have expected. The fact is that Kerry, from day one, used State.gov. There has been nothing that suggests that Clinton spoke to the Obama team or Kerry on the down side of using private email. In addition, note that she did NOT give the State Department her email. HRC has a history of both being secretive and skirting rules -- Kerry doesn't.

Your post did smear Kerry. Anyone who did not click on the Globe link would not have known that the article showed huge differences in their email uses. More importantly, it spoke of how - even though Kerry rarely got anything government related on his personal email - he had a process to insure that those messages were captured.

You can argue that everything to do with email is unimportant. It is possible that when everything is learned that enough people will think it should not be a deal breaker. You can not honestly claim that John Kerry is doing what Hillary did - and that is precisely what you did.

As to anything else - it is irrelevant to the question of Kerry's and HRC's email practices. There is no reason to argue who was the better Senator, Secretary of State or even person. It is simply a diversion.

[Motown_Johnny]

41. I was accused of the same thing up thread.

It seems this poster can't grasp the difference between a talking point and a simple fact.

[Aerows]

37. "Sec'y Kerry was able to learn from them."

Well, let's laud her for doing the wrong thing.

Maybe next we can award George Bush with the "President of the 21st century" because he taught us all how to not govern ethically and/or effectively.

Seriously, you went THERE?

[Motown_Johnny]

42. But she couldn't learn from Powell

who used 2 email accounts. One of them on a secure government server.

What does that say about her?

[Motown_Johnny]

40. RICE AND POWELL NEVER HAD ANY TO TURN OVER!!!

Rice did not use email for government business and Powell used a government server for emails that may have had sensitive information. These would already have been on the government's server and therefore never needed to be turned over.

Why can't you grasp this very simple concept? What Hillary Did Was Different!!!!! THAT is why it is being treated differently.

[Aerows]

45. Albright never even had an email account to begin with

so obviously she had none to turn over. Condaleeza Rice rarely used it, so of course she had none to turn over, either.

Colin Powell, in his own words, described how he had a secured computer on his desk, and one account for personal business, and another for State Department business. He also said he only used it for "housekeeping" such as "Where are we with such and such report," and "What is going on with this?"

Kerry has publicly stated he has two different accounts, and his staff maintains his personal one to make sure that something doesn't slip through the cracks that shouldn't.

Honestly, if you squirrel away a private email server in the bathroom, sooner or later somebody is going to wonder just what the hell you have to hide.

[magical thyme]

47. oh FFS. Kerry is on record as stating that he assumes his email is a target for hackers. He did NOT

learn that from Hillary's "mistakes."

Anybody with half a brain would expect an SOS to be a target for hackers.

Anybody with half a brain who has worked for a living would know to keep their personal and business correspondence separate.

Certainly somebody who knows that their work emails will be archived as part of the historic record can figure out that the simplest way to do that is to keep it 100% separate from personal business, so all they have to do is turn over the work stuff in one batch.

Instead of relying on a team of lawyers to sift through tens of thousands of emails to separate them.

Like it would have been so difficult to have her work blackberry, ipad, laptop, etc and one extra blackberry in a different color for her personal shit. It's not like she doesn't have servants to carry her shit around for her.

Convenience, my ass. Hillary did it so they could keep embarrassing emails -- like the one in which her good pal Blumenthal referred to Boehner as a "lazy drunk" -- and "sketchy" communications with people from their various business identities -- hidden from the public eye.

[Uncle Joe]

11. And this is why having a private server not under government supervision and control is problematic

“With the consent of our client and their end user, and consistent with our policies regarding data privacy, yesterday, Tuesday, October 6, Datto delivered a hardware device to the FBI containing all backed up data related to Platte Rivers Networks' client known to be in its possession,” Datto said in a statement.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-email-server-fbi-platte-river-214521#ixzz3nvGaFhPO

No cabinet level head and (I believe this should pertain to a President as well) should create an agency agreement outside of the government in regards to government business and records whether classified or not, accountability is paramount.

Thanks for the thread, magical thyme.

[Le Taz Hot]

12. Didn't the same thing basically happen

with some letters she claimed she didn't have during her stint with the Rose Law Firm then all of a sudden, poof! They mysteriously were on her coffee table and she didn't have a clue as to how they got there. That shit didn't work the first time whey the HELL would she think it's going to work this time?

[magical thyme]

14. whitewater papers. yup, I was thinking about that earlier today...

suddenly appeared like magic.

SOSDD

[Matariki]

15. Had to share on account of juror 7, lol

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[Aerows]

23. That cracked me up.

[frylock]

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[Logical]

27. Really stupid alert. Nt

[frylock]

32. Yeah, I was J2

[Motown_Johnny]

44. You made that alert?!?!?

Seriously??!!!?!?!?!?

[frylock]

46. Naw, I was juror #2

[Zorra]

25. Excellent question. K&R. nt

[tularetom]

28. Competency is a far distant second to blind loyalty when it comes to advancement with the Clintons

If you kiss Hillary's ass enough, you will be rewarded with promotions, pay raises etc. On the other hand if you dare to tell her something she doesn't want to hear you will most likely be out on your ass.

This is an unfortunate trait for any politician especially one who wants to be POTUS. It leads to the appointment of sycophants in key positions and ultimately works to the detriment of everybody but especially the politician who coddles the ass kissers. It led to the the resignation of one of our former presidents, who by the way told us all he was not a crook.

[askew]

33. This is a never-ending clusterf*ck.

No wonder the establishment wants Biden to jump in. Hillary has to be scaring them with her bad attempts at covering up her email mess.

Today's revelation shows that Hillary was relying on Blumenthal for advice in Libya while he was working Clinton Foundation and groups that stood to profit in Libya much more than previously revealed. And this is after Obama forbid her from hiring Blumenthal at State. Plus, there is a redacted email that says she gave classified info to Blumenthal which is a definite no-no.

[magical thyme]

48. are you referring to this heavily redacted email she sent to sbwhoeop?

https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCAll_1_1-29_JuneWEB/12_13_14/DOC_0C05760281/C05760281.pdf

[askew]

49. No it is one of the new ones to be released by the stupid Benghazi committee next week.

The committee is a witch hunt but they managed to stumble on to emails between Blumenthal and Hillary that look really bad and shows that she didn't turn over all of her work emails and now they have an email between the two of them that is redacted and apparently has classified info on it.

Incredibly frustrating that she couldn't follow one simple directive from her boss, the president, and not involve Blumenthal in government work.

[randome]

35. Keep that electron microscope humming! I'm sure eventually we'll get to the bottom of it.

I cannot believe the amount of time and energy and sheer petulance that goes on regarding this subject. It boggles the mind!
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