Remember when Bernie said social justice must wait for economic justice?

[MannyGoldstein]

Me neither.

But, in fairness, you do remember when Bernie supporters all said that, yes? No, you don't remember? Me neither.

Remember when some folks claimed that Bernie and his supporters said social justice must wait for economic justice? Yeah, I remember it too! Heck, I read that bull@#$& just today!

Makes me feel good! 'cos when all they got is abject bull@#$&, they're in big, big trouble.

Third Way? NO WAY! GO AWAY!

[jfern]

1. See also this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251631455

[senz]

43. Yes, an informative thread.

And thank you for starting it.

[beam me up scottie]

2. I remember, Comrade Manny!

And so does Red Scare Minion Bernie.


Well done, sir!

[abakan]

36. I am proud to be

a Bernie, Minion.

[beam me up scottie]

37. I'm so proud I use him as my avatar.

It's a tribute to the ignorant folks who hate Bernie and still don't know the difference between communism and democratic socialism.

[senz]

42. AND who don't know jack about

which candidate they can count on for racial justice. Not only don't know, but don't care.

Because if they did, they'd pay better attention to who's got their back.

But they don't.

[beam me up scottie]

44. Confirmation bias.

People ignore whatever doesn't fit their beliefs, and if HC supporters want to believe that she has a better record on civil rights no facts will ever change their minds.

It's best to not even try, no one on DU or elsewhere is even listening to their spin anyway.

Bernie's track record speaks for itself, and so does Hillary's.

[hifiguy]

63. indeed they do.

The Kool-Aid has zombified them.

[beam me up scottie]

65. It's amusing to watch some HC supporters try to turn his strengths into weaknesses.

I love the smell of desperation and it's thick in the air today.

The next meme will be: Bernie hates veterans!

Wait for it.

[hifiguy]

69. THAT site is a methed-up monkey house

with the inhabitants frantically throwing feces at the wall in the vain hope some lie will stick.

It would be exceedingly funny if it weren't so paranoid and pathetic. This seems a good approximation of their tactics and methodology, right down to Bernie/Bugs driving the tractor.

[beam me up scottie]

71. O.M.G.

That is PERFECT!

[senz]

75. Ha! Nice one, hifiguy.

Thanks, needed the laugh.

[polly7]

94. LOL. Very good. nt.

[A Simple Game]

118. The pulling down of the shade is a metaphor for how they close their minds to all the facts. n/t

[sabrina 1]

91. When they do just post this link, not that THEY will pay attention, but for anyone reading

who might be influenced by them: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251632281

[leftofcool]

49. So People of Color just don't know enough to pay attention, eh?

[senz]

52. OH, so leftofcool thinks People of Color are "ignorant," eh?

See how easy it is to twist it around. Except what you did took a whole lot more twisting.

Go back and reread what bmus and I were talking about. Go ahead, read it.

Hint: we were talking about " ignorant folks who hate Bernie."


And YOU think that describes People of Color???

So, do I get to call you a "racist" now? Do I get to spread it all over DU?

If I could stoop that low, I would. But the candidate I support would never go so low, so I guess I won't.

But some people have no problem doing that, do they?

Some of us call it lying.

[beam me up scottie]

55. That's an old trick and a dirty one, don't let it get to you, senz.

Everyone saw through it.

[senz]

57. Yep but it needs to be pointed out.

Hard to believe an adult would operate that way. What a low and embarrassingly stupid thing to do.

Thanks, bmus.

(p.s. wonder if somebody trotted over to the other place to kvetch and instigate a new round of alert stalking? )

[beam me up scottie]

58. They could very well have been setting you up for a hide.

You did good though, to the point refutation of the straw man and didn't retaliate by resorting to a personal attack.

THAT is how you call them out on their bullshit.

[senz]

72. Thanks, bmus

Been a bit prickly this afternoon, not good when dealing with such types because they feed on it. You choose your words very carefully. What sometimes works for me is writing what comes, getting it off my chest, and then rereading and editing before posting. Now if I had the wit and grace of some folks around here -- like you, Manny, frylock, and others -- I could accomplish it smoothly and subtly without breaking a sweat. Oh well.

[beam me up scottie]

74. You did great!

And we've been at this for a long time.

[sabrina 1]

92. It's from the Rove school of 'put words in your opponents mouth then make them defend themselves'.

Of course everyone KNOWS that old stale trick by now, so it's just laughable. My response to is to ask 'is that what you believe'? And while I use to have qualms about doing what they do and don't, when THEY do it, it deserves, as you say, to be pointed out.

You did great and all s/he did was to look desperate.

[Snap the Turtle]

67. And insults PoC with his signature...

while remaining ignorant.

[daleanime]

53. Not even close to what was said.....

not that that will change anything for you. Have a lovely day.

[beam me up scottie]

54. Straw man.

[Go Vols]

59. lol

[beam me up scottie]

62. I love that cartoon!

Howdy neighbor!

[Go Vols]

64. Howdy back at ya neighbor.

[merrily]

96. LOL.

It's amazing how many times people think the comment "straw man" means you are accusing of them of posting something they made up. Then the start proving the truth of the straw man comment So this is a good cartoon to keep handy. Thanks!

[beam me up scottie]

97. I've had to post it often in the past few months.

And it still goes WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!

[merrily]

98. Underestimating some posters can be challenging.

[Ken Burch]

117. Nobody said that and you know it.

You do admit that Bernie never said that social justice must wait for economic justice though, right?

[Paka]

3. I don't remember it either.

But I'm getting old, so I guess you can't expect me to remember things like that. Especially things that don't make any sense.

[AppalachianAmerican]

4. Are you suggesting that President Bernie Sanders will be a multitasker?

[senz]

45. Gasp! Impossible!

How could a person who cares about people care about people of color? Why, that just wouldn't make any sense at all! How dare he care about people generally and people of color specifically??

He must be a, a, a ..... racist! That's it, that's what we'll call him! A racist! Uh huh, uh huh, uh huh.

[sabrina 1]

5. All I remember is where it all started and I knew right then it was about to become a 'tactic' that

there never was a problem for Bernie. That on the contrary, the smear operatives KNEW that as soon as AAs learned about Bernie as most didn't know him, just like the rest of Americans, Hillary would be compared to him and his record and that would end up the same way NH, once about 3% for Bernie, Iowa, Women now defecting to Bernie ended up.

So it was decided to pull out all the stops and preempt Bernie getting to know minorities.

It hasnt' worked, in fact like the Brock debacle, it has helped AAs learn about Bernie in many cases. 'Who is this guy', I read some AAs say, 'what is the problem here, this guy was out fighting for MY rights before I was born, what was Hillary doing at that time'? Hey, I'm switching to Bernie, this guy is cool'.

Lol, but we minions knew it was an orchestrated smear campaign and just went to work making sure as many people as possible got to decide for themselves.

What makes me wonder is why so many WHITE people have appointed themselves spokespersons for AAs? Anyone else notice that? Pretty offensive isn't it, implying that minorities need these Whiste people to speak for them.

They should go read what AAs themselves have to say about that.

I always wanted to be a minion. Now I am one, thanks to Bernie!

[NealK]

6. +1

[senz]

87. Amazing flag in your sig line.

Gives a wonderful visual feel for how I imagine it would be like to be transgender, as well as all the shades of gender we each may feel within ourselves. Plus, it's pretty.

[MisterP]

89. when do you suppose they started the "big campaign" to tie Sanders to some

mythic whites-only progressivism that has studiously ignored anything with a hint of race to it, except maybe patting some Black leaders on the head (heck we've all seen Portlandia, but the Volvo-latte-granola Democrat stereotype is from 1993 and it was old then too, and of course there's people who dismiss all social politics as flotsam to the economistic attraction--but Sanders has never been one of them?); I know there may've been some buildup before Seattle FWIW

but, yeah, the "Bernie so racist" has much more traction with these sort of chest-beatingly-white young Tumblr types (or "SJWs" if you're being mean, or actually work in social justice IRL): most people regardless of race debated rationally whether Sanders had "a race problem"TM or that Clinton wasn't "the AA candidate" or that trying to assign "an AA candidate" was entirely the wrong approach to politics

[NealK]

7. ...

[frylock]

32. win

[hifiguy]

66. Blammo!

[Scootaloo]

125. made me snort my pepsi.

[Fearless]

8. Some on the other side think we can only have one or the other.

We can certainly do both at the same time!

[liberal_at_heart]

12. it messes up their argument that we must vote for their candidate or else lose

women's rights only now they are throwing AA rights in there too. I don't remember this being an argument before. Before it was just women's rights. Now all of a sudden it's AA rights too. As long as these are the only things on the table our politicians don't have to work toward anything else such as protecting SS, setting a living wage, or expanding Medicare: all things the majority of Americans support. This is no longer good enough for me. You cannot have social justice without economic justice.

[PotatoChip]

25. I never understood the women's rights argument.

I trust Bernie to fight harder for us as President than anything Hillary would do. For instance, if it were to ever come up, I highly doubt that she would even think of undoing the 1996 Welfare "Reform" that her husband put in place.

Her only concerns, as far as I can tell, are for upper class white women like herself. Oh, she pays lip service to poor women here and abroad, but what has she actually done to help? In fact, her hawkish ways regarding foreign policy have caused great harm and suffering to poor women in the many areas of turmoil and conflict that exist (in no small part) thanks to her Iraq war vote... And don't even get me started on all her lost opportunities to change women's lives for the better when she was SOS...

In my opinion, Bernie is a far more superior candidate when it comes to women's issues.

[Hiraeth]

41. What really gave -me- a huge ironic, laugh was when those same upper middle class white women

decided that all Bernie Supporters were Volvo driving, Latte sipping, Birkenstock wearing, upper middle class white men.

good lord.

[merrily]

99. Pffft. I much prefer espresso with a slice of lemon rind on the side.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

124. Too "drink with your pinkie out" for me....

I get a big bag of Columbian from Sam's Club and run it through a classic peculator.

Doubles as a paint stripper and wood stain.

[senz]

126. lol, yeah strong coffee's great

and I don't know if your entire post is unserious or if you meant all or part of it. Regardless, I hope you know that Sam's Club is owned by the Walmart people who are righwingers and contribute to rightwing causes, whereas Costco is not only fair to its employees but also contributes to liberal causes -- or did the last time I looked, which was a while back. If there are no Costcos in your area, then of course you don't have that choice. But just in case, I thought you might like to know. Also, is that a parrot in your avatar? Or am I way off? It seems multi-interpretable.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

127. Sorry, I meant Costco. I get the two confused...

As for the avatar. It goes back to the days of flamewars. The metaphor was my opponent was slowly roasting over a fire on a spit. It's a heavy photoshop of me as a grinning demon seen through flames which would be their perspective.

My tagline was, "You done yet?" as I jabbed them with a meat fork.

[senz]

128. lol, great story

Okay, so you're a person in white clothes in the foreground and the rest are flames. Thanks for explaining; I kept seeing a fuzzy looking parrot in it. The black dot in the upper left was the eye and the area around your head was the beak, but somehow it didn't all fit together. It's got to be one of the most unique avatars around. The colors are very nice.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

130. Thinking back I realized I've used it for over 20 years.

[merrily]

129. LOL! I don't drink espresso all the time. Don't own that big machine.

But, if I am somewhere that offers espresso and latte and I am in the mood, I'll take espresso.

I think I have had latte once in my life.

BTW, if you are in a place that offers latte and espresso, you probably want to stay away from the American coffee.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

131. Hawaiian coffee isn't bad. That volcanic soil makes killer java.

[merrily]

132. I'll have to try it. I do like strong coffee.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

134. Starbucks sold a "Holiday Blend" a few years ago....

Opened the bag when I got home and realized they were getting rid of batches they'd burned.

I could picture the guys in the boardroom saying, "Those people will drink anything with our logo on it and think it's gourmet."

Yeah,...burned beans are an acquired taste.

[senz]

56. Exactly. It's not egalitarian; it's tribal -- people "like us."

They define "woman" very narrowly: "woman" is anybody who's just like me. So therefore, the concerns of poor uneducated women aren't the concerns of "women."

And no wonder such people don't care about the issues Bernie raises. Way too selfish for that, just like their candidate.

[Springslips]

80. Correct.

For those women a huge women rights concern is breaking the glass ceiling--which is a important issue-- but for many, many women, the glass ceiling is a 15-dollar minimum wage. Not too many members here with a H as their avatar join in threads supporting an increase in that.

[senz]

88. Very good point. It's easy for middle-class people to assume victimhood.

Not that everyone isn't a victim of someone or something, not that life isn't hard across the board for most of us. But there are degrees, and when we open our eyes to them it can bring us up short. I hadn't thought about how elitist the glass ceiling is. This is all about becoming more and more human, and to do that we have to let more and more fellow human beings into our definition of who we are, who we care about, who we represent.

Sometimes identity politics gets in the way of solidarity with all people.

I hope someday Bernie will explain how he got there, because I believe that's where he's at. And has been for a long time.

[A Simple Game]

120. To break a glass ceiling you need a stable floor to stand on. n/t

[jeff47]

105. Actually, their argument would require women's rights to be secondary

Their claim is fighting for economic justice prevents fighting for racial justice.

Well, then fighting for women's rights is also going to prevent fighting for racial justice.

It's a good thing we know their argument is actually bullshit.

[polly7]

107. Exactly! nt.

[merrily]

9. I asked my neighbor if the lies, distortions and smears posted on DU would affect his primary vote.

Smiling indulgently, he replied, "I'm sorry, merrily. What is DU?"

I said, "Never mind. Sorry to have bothered you. Have a glorious day."

Then he continued walking his dog.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128054333

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Your neighbor was frozen with fear

He realized that you are one of those Bernie Supporters that he heard about on his police scanner.

He's probably moved to Ecuador by now to escape from you.

[merrily]

16. If your fool cousin, TWM, had posted that, I would have asked if he were projecting.

Given that it's you, though...

[Armstead]

15. Wait....You mean DU isn't the center of the universe?

Oh nuts.

[merrily]

17. Oh, posts here will determine that outcome of the primary and the general. You can bet on that.

And I'll even give you good odds.

[Armstead]

18. But, but,but Laas Vegas oddsmakers....

[merrily]

19. I'm guessing they're not making book on the effect of DU posts on the primary.

[Eleanors38]

78. Didn't see any of that stuff on Ducks Unlimited.

[merrily]

83. Took me a few seconds, but

Kudos.

[TheKentuckian]

11. Conservatives are lying liars that lie regardless of letter by their names

Not only do they love lies but actively despise the truth.

[AgingAmerican]

104. it's because the are WRONG about everything.

[liberal_at_heart]

13. I can only see about 10 replies on this thread.

[artislife]

26. I do so love the ignore and the migration. nt

[hifiguy]

70. They have their very own little Jonestown analogue over there.

Complete in every detail right down to the projection, delusion, persecution complexes and rampant, screeching Total Paranoia.

[artislife]

100. oh..ha ha!! nt

[hifiguy]

101. They even have their own Infallible One:

Her Royal Inevitability who can do or say no wrong.

[SwampG8r]

47. There were only 13 when you posted so.....thread downer fail

[senz]

48. lol, it really IS their version of "nyaa nyaa can't hear you..." isn't it?

Just love to flaunt their personal inadequacies. Sheesh, what dwerps.

[Uncle Joe]

14. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, MannyGoldstein.

[WillyT]

20. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[NuclearDem]

21. --Historical Revisionist Manny

And just for the record, yes, Sanders supporters have been notorious for disparaging identity politics, attempting to "cash out" with the AA community, and prioritizing economic justice to the point of ignoring social justice.

[frylock]

35. maybe Sanders can pack all the white people into Yankee Stadium and talk to them.

[senz]

51. Historical revisionist NuclearDem

Don't believe everything they tell you over there...

[FlatBaroque]

112. more like, Hysterical Revisionist Manny

amirite?

[Stellar]

22. Did Bernie say that or not?

I'm not for sure.

[artislife]

27. That's not Hillary, either. nt

[merrily]

29. You're not for sure? Are you for real?

[Stellar]

109. Yes I'm real. nt

[sabrina 1]

33. That's Warren. Neither Sanders nor Warren said 'All lives Matter'. Hillary, in a Black Church a few

days after the horrible massacre in Charleston, demonstrated she was not even aware of the movement, causing enormous anger among the AA community against her. Bernie of course was aware of the movement and never used the words Hillary used.

I watched the anger grow against her, but followed Bernie's example, who defended Hillary during that debacle, I did not bring that here and slam Hillary with it. That of course has not been the case with Hillary supporters who have worked hard to drag out that obvious attempted smear against someone who did the OPPOSITE when their candidate was under fire for her insensitivity re BLM.

[merrily]

76. Hillary and O'Malley both said it; Sanders did not. However, Rehm accused Sanders, and only Sanders,

of having said "All Lives Matter."

Funny how that works.

[senz]

90. True. He makes them way too nervous.

So honest, they can't handle it.

I am glad he is on a roll and will not give up. He constantly amazes me. Keep pushing it, Bernie, you're almost all the way there.

[Stellar]

110. I've only heard one candidate say that all live matters, and that was O'Malley. nt

[frylock]

115. Hillary Clinton's 3-Word Misstep: 'All Lives Matter'

Hillary Clinton's speech Tuesday at a historic black church in Missouri was mostly well-received by the audience, but three words angered some of the activists she was hoping to appeal to.

Clinton spoke to frequent applause about religion, racism, access to education, repairing communities and the shooting last week in Charleston, S.C.

The church where Clinton spoke, Christ the King United Church of Christ, is in Florissant, Mo., fewer than 5 miles from where the rioting and protesting happened in Ferguson.

But she's now facing criticism on social media after using the phrase "all lives matter" — which has been used by some as pushback to the phrase "black lives matter." The latter phrase, which hung on a banner outside the church, was widely used by protesters in Ferguson and other cities.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter

[Stellar]

119. I missed that.

Hillary ALWAYS has black people following her even if she about to make a speech. It makes them look as though they are all on her side....right now.

[merrily]

133. Even if Bernie had not been aware of the movement, he would not have used that

very false equivalency. It's tone deaf and designed to pander to those who are not African American.

[Armstead]

39. No he did not

He ddid say that people should consider the state of their families on economic terms when choosing to vote, as was cited in another OP with a misleading headline.

he's said a lot of things, but he has never said or implied that social issues had to be held off.

[Stellar]

111. I believe you. nt

[senz]

85. Your sig line suggests concern for police abuse of People of Color.

You might be interested in Bernie Sanders' proposals to deal with the problem.

Addressing Physical Violence

It is an outrage that in these early years of the 21st century we are seeing intolerable acts of violence being perpetuated by police, and racist terrorism by white supremacists.

A growing number of communities do not trust the police and law enforcement officers have become disconnected from the communities they are sworn to protect. Violence and brutality of any kind, particularly at the hands of the police sworn to protect and serve our communities, is unacceptable and must not be tolerated. We need a societal transformation to make it clear that black lives matter, and racism cannot be accepted in a civilized country.

• We must demilitarize our police forces so they don’t look and act like invading armies.
  
  
• We must invest in community policing. Only when we get officers into the communities, working within neighborhoods before trouble arises, do we develop the relationships necessary to make our communities safer together. Among other things, that means increasing civilian oversight of police departments.
  
  
• We need police forces that reflect the diversity of our communities.
  
  
• At the federal level we need to establish a new model police training program that reorients the way we do law enforcement in this country. With input from a broad segment of the community including activists and leaders from organizations like Black Lives Matter we will reinvent how we police America.
  
  
• We need to federally fund and require body cameras for law enforcement officers to make it easier to hold them accountable.
  
  
• Our Justice Department must aggressively investigate and prosecute police officers who break the law and hold them accountable for their actions.
  
  
• We need to require police departments and states to provide public reports on all police shootings and deaths that take place while in police custody.
  
  
• We need new rules on the allowable use of force. Police officers need to be trained to de-escalate confrontations and to humanely interact with people who have mental illnesses. States and localities that make progress in this area should get more federal justice grant money. Those that do not should get their funding slashed.
  
  
• We need to make sure the federal resources are there to crack down on the illegal activities of hate groups.

To learn more (if you really care) please check out Bernie's Issue Statement on Racial Justice, which includes specific, workable proposals:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

[Stellar]

108. That's nice. nt

[senz]

116. Ah. Don't really care. Figures. nt

[Stellar]

121. It's just that I'm used to the same answers. Nothing new. nt

[senz]

122. I don't believe you.

You're just playing games with a serious subject and you just lost all credibility with me.

[Stellar]

123. OK, have it your way. And sorry I lost ALL credibility with you. nt

[cascadiance]

23. Who supported social justice issues FIRST before they jumped on economic justice issues?...

Bernie was all about fighting segregation early in his career. Clearly a stance for social justice.

Hillary stood for Goldwater who voted AGAINST the Civil Rights Act then and wasn't exactly a champion for MLK and the civil rights movements of those days as noted here.

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2014/06/barry-goldwater-declares-that-the-1964-civil-rights-act-is-a-dire-threat-to-the-liberties-of-african-americans-and-will-creat.html

So, it would seem that Bernie was the one that started working on social justice issues first, doesn't it?

[leftofcool]

50. Please link to just one piece of legislation that Bernie sponsored or co-sponsored for PoC

[questionseverything]

68. recently

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-house-leaders-introduce-bill-to-ban-private-prisons

Thursday, September 17, 2015

WASHINGTON, Sept. 17 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Rep. Raúl M. Grijalva (D-Ariz.), Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.) and Rep. Bobby L. Rush (D-Ill.) today introduced bills to ban private prisons, reinstate the federal parole system and eliminate quotas for the number of immigrants held in detention.

“We cannot fix our criminal justice system if corporations are allowed to profit from mass incarceration,” Sanders said. “Keeping human beings in jail for long periods of time must no longer be an acceptable business model in America. We have got to end the private prison racket in America. Our focus should be on treating people with dignity and ensuring they have the resources they need to get back on their feet when they get out.”

Of the nearly 1.6 million people in federal and state prisons in 2013, 8.4 percent were in private prisons. That includes over 41,159 federal prisoners in private facilities and 91,885 state prisoners in private facilities. The U.S. Marshal Service held 20 percent of its detainees in private facilities and Immigration and Customs Enforcement held 62 percent of its detainees in private facilities in 2014. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is mandated to detain an average of 34,000 individuals every day.

“Our corrections system exists to uphold justice – not to house innocent refugees or feed the greed of corporate interests,” Grijalva said. “By treating prisoners and detainees as a means to a profit margin, we’re incentivizing jailors to lobby for ever more inmates, and for inmates to be denied even the basic staples they’re entitled to. The result is a corrections system collapsing under its own weight as the prison industry gets rich and countless innocent men, women and children are ensnared in their trap.”

“In a society dedicated to liberty and justice, for-profit prisons offend our bedrock principles. Depriving someone of their freedom is the most severe punishment the federal government can levy – the sole incentive must be justice, never profit,” Ellison said. “Private prison corporations spend millions of dollars lobbying government for harsher sentencing laws and immigration policy that serves their bottom line, while taxpayers foot the $80 billion dollar a year bill to incarcerate 2.3 million people. Incarceration should be about rehabilitation, not profit. Now, more than ever, we need to restore confidence in our criminal justice system. Step one is taking the profit out of the punishment.”

[hifiguy]

73. - crickets -

No surprise.

[merrily]

77. aka why I don't fill that kind of request anymore.

If they can't pick at your answer, it's as though you never replied at all

Wasted effort.

In fact, I think I'll bookmark this post so I can link to it the next time I get asked for a link.

[questionseverything]

79. information is never a waste..

lots of folks read the discussions that never say a word here

i know because i lurked and read for years before i actually joined and started posting

[merrily]

82. IMO, knowing when to be someone's google monkey and when not to be is valuable info, too.

Lurkers are also free to get a response from Mr. Google. He's easy.

[merrily]

95. Also, specifcally in response to Ferguson, Sanders and Conyers co-sponsored an employment bill.

Yes, it was an economic response. However, unemployment among African American youth is ridiculously higher than unemployment in any other sector, including Hispanic youth

[cascadiance]

103. Thanks, was thinking his prison reform bill too. Also, he was a Head Start TEACHER early on!

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/253479-sanders-takes-prison-reform-plan-to-black-sc-college

Also for the Head Start program, he not only supported it as a legislator, but early on he as a teacher taught kids through Head Start program himself, which heavily helps children of color!! In addition to protesting immigration in his early years, he was a member of Congress of Racial Equality while at the University of Chicago.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927

...
After he graduated from James Madison High School in 1959, he went to Brooklyn College for a year before transferring to the University of Chicago, where he joined the Congress of Racial Equality, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, the Student Peace Union and the Young People’s Socialist League. He read psychology, sociology and history. He read Marx, Lenin and Trotsky. He demonstrated against segregated housing owned by the college and against the city’s segregated schools – the latter getting him arrested and charged with resisting arrest for which he ended up paying a $25 fine. He met a woman who would become his wife. In 1964 he graduated with a degree in political science and got married in Baltimore.
...
He bounced around for a few years, working stints in New York as an aide at a psychiatric hospital and teaching preschoolers for Head Start, and in Vermont researching property taxation for the Vermont Department of Taxes and registering people for food stamps for a nonprofit called the Bread and Law Task Force.

This disinformation program to try to make it sound like Bernie doesn't care about POC is pretty sickening. Throughout his life, Bernie has worked for so many of us in the 99% and not partitioned his support just for one racial group or another, but has tried to help everyone, especially those in need and those that have felt abused by societal infrastructure. Big money who funds so many other corporate Democrats that the Clintons enabled with building up the DLC want in place things like private prisons which exploit POC to make others rich.

[questionseverything]

106. so much good work..it is hard to pick just one

http://www.c-span.org/video/?320618-4/senator-bernie-sanders-veterans-affairs-bill

[AgingAmerican]

24. He never even implied it

Hillary supporters made it up

[HooptieWagon]

30. Of course they did.

Desperation smells like flying bullshit.

[merrily]

31. Some did, and probably not without help.

Bernie votes against DOMA, which Bubba signed into law; Hillary does not come out for equal marriage until 20fucking13. Obama evolved from being for equal marriage in 1994 to being against it when he ran for President, to being for it again when he rain for re-election. Nonetheless, Obama and Clinton supporters on DU are demanding to know what Bernie said about gay marriage before 1992!

What the fuck did Hillary say about equal marriage before 1992? And, btw, in 1972, Sander said all laws involving homosexuality should be abolished. Close efuckingnough.

I've never seen such nonsense and hypocrisy in my life. And I thought the Clinton camp was deplorable in the 2008 primary!

[ish of the hammer]

60. good answer. thanks

[merrily]

84. My pleasure. You're welcome.

[sabrina 1]

34. Yes, it was an obvious campaign smear tactic which is now backfiring as have all the others, as AAs

get to know Bernie and are rallying to his campaign, to the point where it's hard to keep up with all the POC groups forming every day to get the word out to those who still don't know who he is. It's wonderful to see AAs finally being 'allowed' to speak for themselves re Bernie, rather than a few political operatives, most of them White btw, which was grossly offensive imo.

Bernie never had an 'AA problem'. But smear mongering is all they have, they cant' beat him on the issues, so they are turning to what they think will work, only it won't.

[senz]

93. ^^^ This ^^^

Summed it up, sabrina.

[HooptieWagon]

28. As people learn about Bernie...

...they'll recognize the smears and their source. This will backfire on Hillary, as people figure out she's just another lying untrustworthy corporatist. Peep don't like to be bullshitted.

[Go Vols]

38. K&R

[senz]

40. Manny, I haven't read the thread yet but just want to tell you

how happy I am with you. You do so much good, and you do it with style and, when warranted, with charming humor. I know I'm just an overly serious, too often literal-minded, little ol' lady and could never, ever, in a million years match you for wit, timing, and sheer coolness, but if I could, I'd be just like you.

So anyway, thanks. And please don't be too embarrassed by this unseemly lapse into gushing. It happens; life is imperfect. And so ...

GO BERNIE!

[Enthusiast]

46. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

[hifiguy]

61. It's the same old Big Lie bullshit.

Repeat a lie often enough and it "becomes" the truth. Straight from the Goebbels/Ailes/Atwater/Rove playbook.

[Tommymac]

81. This: "Third Way? NO WAY! GO AWAY!"

[MisterP]

86. the less they have to say, the louder they say it

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[Major Nikon]

102. They couldn't put it on the interwebs if it weren't true

I'm off to take my coffee enema. I'll check back in soon.

[The Green Manalishi]

113. Some of us HAVE said that you won't have one without the other

And I stand by that.

I mean HELL YES do everything we can within the powers of the Federal, State and Local governments to STOP the killing of African Americans by the police, discrimination in all of its forms, and attack every social ill we possibly can, OF COURSE.

It's just my opinion that until the economic injustice and inequality effecting both poor whites and latinos as well as African Americans is effectively redressed, until the health and education of the rural and southern whites who are a huge part of the population that keeps electing Republicans and supporting the very people who oppress them (and us) are educated and lifted up so that they DON'T see the AA's as the enemy, that the best intentions and most extreme efforts aren't going to be that effective.

It's not an either/or. One can understand, sympathize and support African Americans as they make the perfectly reasonable request to not get killed for driving while black, or incarcerated on felonies that just get a slap on the wrist for a rich white kid- while also believing that without much much greater economic fairness even the best intentioned laws and regulations and lawsuits are just a band-aid.

Black lives matter. HELL YES. But let's address both the learned racism AND the economic unfairness that makes such a (fucking obvious) statement need to be made.

Respectfully.

[in_cog_ni_to]

114. A HUGE K&R! n/t