Hillary Clinton Promises A MORE MUSCULAR Foreign Policy As President

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Clinton vowed to preserve Israel’s qualitative military edge and suggested renewing its current security package (currently $3 billion a year in U.S. aid) this year rather than waiting until it expires in 2017 -- both non-controversial policies that would have the backing of any American president. But she add that she’d invite Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to visit the White House within her first month in office, noting that “tough love” for the country is counterproductive because it invites other countries to delegitimize Israel.

Once a war hawk, always a war hawk..........she just can't wait!....



WASHINGTON -- In the lead-up to the 2008 presidential election, Hillary Clinton’s vote to authorize the Iraq War six years before haunted her on the campaign trail. It put her in stark contrast with then-Senator Barack Obama, who touted his foresight in opposing the ill-fated war. But if Clinton was scarred by the perception that her foreign policy agenda is too hawkish for the Democratic Party, she showed no signs of it Wednesday morning in a speech detailing her plan to counter Iran after the implementation of the nuclear deal. While Clinton was instrumental in paving the road for the nuclear negotiations with Iran in 2012 and supports the accord reached between Iran, the U.S., and five world powers in July, she made clear on Wednesday at the Brookings Institution that she does not view the agreement as marking a shift in U.S.-Iranian relations.

“I don’t believe Iran is our partner in this agreement. Iran is the subject of the agreement,” Clinton said, using rhetoric that notably contrasts with that of the Obama administration, which has been consistenly cautious about not upsetting Iran.

Tyler Cullis @TylerCullis

Her way of talking is why @JohnKerry got the #IranDeal, not her: https://twitter.com/jessicaschulb/status/641610423930908672 …

9:59 AM - 9 Sep 2015

Obama was hesitant to condemn the Iranian crackdown on protesters during the 2009 Green Revolution. The unrest erupted just as the Obama administration was quietly mulling outreach to the Iranians on the nuclear issue, and the president was mindful of the way a condemnation would sound in a country that views the U.S. as an arrogant superpower intent on regime change. The administration’s failure to take a more proactive role on behalf of the protesters was a mistake Clinton regrets, as she wrote in her memoirs and repeated in her speech Wednesday. “That won’t happen again,” she vowed. Clinton’s message to the Iranians was clear: “The U.S. will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon,” she said Wednesday. “I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon.” While Obama has always insisted that military action against Iran remained on the table, he generally avoided issuing what could be construed as an outright threat.


But the key to successful implementation to the Iran deal, Clinton argued, is showing the Iranians the U.S. is serious. "We should expect that Iran will want to test the next president. They will want to see how far they can bend the rules," she said in the speech. "That won’t work if I’m in the White House." To show her seriousness, the former secretary of state suggested deploying additional U.S. forces to the Persian Gulf region and recommended that Congress “close any gaps” in the existing sanctions to punish Iran for any current or future instances of human rights abuses and support for terror. Although the nuclear agreement allows for additional sanctions that are unrelated to Iran’s nuclear program, it also requires parties to avoid action “inconsistent with the letter, spirit and intent” of the deal. Since July, a handful of senators from both parties have said they are drafting new sanctions laws. Though the Obama administration has resisted additional sanctions during the implementation phase of the nuclear agreement, Clinton advised Obama to work with lawmakers to pass new laws. While the speech focused on Iran, Clinton also addressed foreign policy elsewhere, highlighting areas in which she thought Obama was too hesitant to use military might to exert American influence abroad.





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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-iran-foreign-policy_55f05c2ae4b002d5c07786b2

[GitRDun]

1. Ugh, this is a strike against Hillary for me.

I've been a little wobbly on considering her hawkishness as a big negative, but the thought of her cozying up to Netanyahu, who I'm convinced is a bigot..really rubs me the wrong way.

With the President, I think eyes have been opened as to why no progress in the Israeli / Palestine relationship has been made. If the next President pulls back from reality, we're in for more death and destruction over there.

Hmmmmm....

[bvar22]

14. This, in itself, is a deal breaker.

What the US NEEDS is a much smaller military and "consultant" footprint in the Middle East (and the World).
Haven't we learned ANYTHING?

Hasn't Hillary learned ANYTHING?


Does anyone on DU still want to deny that she is a solid "War-Hawk".

[Roy Rolling]

23. I'm speechless

What has she learned? Pandering is a sure-fire way to win some elections.

Have we not evolved to be smarter than to think the best way to get what we want is to just kill someone who has it?

The U.S.---for a brief shining moment in the 1950s----had paid a big enough price and seen enough carnage to learn peace is much preferred over perpetual war.

Those who make a good living off of perpetual killing, as Eisenhower warned us, will be the downfall of America.

And it is.

[Enthusiast]

40. +100%!

[sabrina 1]

61. Contrast THIS with Bernie Sanders speech today. Wow, all I can say is as Bernie AND you just

said 'have THEY, the neocons, learned NOTHING'.

See his speech here for contrast: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251582041

I don't think anyone can say she isn't a War Hawk on DU, the problem appears to be that a few DUers have no problem with that.

Am I just imagining things or was DU almost 100% anti Neocon War Hawks at one time?

[jfern]

22. She can't help but be a hawk

In the middle of the 2008 primary, she voted for Kyl-Lieberman, so it's clear primaries have no effect at making her less of a hawk.

[brush]

30. She just lost my vote. She might as well have said she wants more war

And she wants to cozy up to Netanyahu and his apartheid policies?

Forget it.

Go Bernie go!

[WillyT]

2. Oh... Goody...

[Fawke Em]

5. No. The "goodies" are in her Thx Box.

This is downright disgusting!

Nutty-yahoo is not to be trusted.



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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. Yay! Break out the flags, caskets, and cannon fodder to put in them. K&R

[AtomicKitten]

4. Is anyone surprised? She's a neoliberal on foreign policy.

She is a preemptive interventionist that guarantees perpetual war.

[cali]

6. she's an unrepentant foreign policy hawk. sickening

[Fumesucker]

7. Hillary is not a war-monger!1!!

So stop saying that!!1!1

[bunnies]

8. This must be Bibi's "thx box".

She wont even hesitate to start a war with Iran. Got that Bibi? She's your gal!

[CoffeeCat]

9. Can you be any more of a neocon, Hillary?

Yes, I saw you saber rattling when Bush was President, when he floated the idea of war with Iran.

We get what you are Hillary.

[peacebird]

10. Nauseating. Trying to prove she's as 'tough' as GWBush? Heaven forbid we value DIPLOMACY.

[bvar22]

16. Maybe she can borrow his Flight Suit and Bull Horn

....when she gets to land on a Aircraft Carrier!

[procon]

11. How about a smarter foreign policy that is relevant to the current century?

This is not the 50s and it's not the 80s, we need less old school offensive military interventions. We need a robust military that is smart and savvy, mobile and flexible, and works with political and socio-economic partnerships to engage regional stakeholders to build consensus and eke out a peaceful solution, not just blow shit up because it makes for snazzy photos.

[WDIM]

12. The US should declare peace, nonviolence, and neutrality

Threatening more war is not the road to peace.

[Truprogressive85]

13. Ladies and Gentlemen

Its in the air again the smell of "regime change"

If you like what happened in Iraq, Libya and taking place in Syria

Iran - will bring Democrat hawks and neo-cons together

[nichomachus]

15. War does that to a person

She's been a hawk ever since that day she spent dodging bullets in Bosnia.

[hifiguy]

17. How can people not see what a disaster this woman would be

as POTUS?

She is joined at the hip and the puppet of the MiC's architects of War Forever and the banksters' Neoliberal Fascist Economics.

This all adds up to Thatcher Redux, this time in the US. WAKE THE FUCK UP!

[FlatBaroque]

19. I have never, in my 40 years of following politics, seen

anyone who is more emblematic of rot that infests our institutions.

[hifiguy]

21. Each day she reminds me more of Richard Nixon

whom I grew up despising. I came by it naturally - my dad was an old union man who loathed Richard Nixon.

She has been running nonstop for the presidency for 15 years. I doubt she has any idea anymore of why she wants the office other than having it for its own sake. She will say anything or absolutely nothing, depending on what the circumstances call for, to advance herself. She pals around with some of the vilest people on the planet - Kissinger, Blankfein, Murdoch to name three - toget the "gravitas" rub from them. She won't answer the simplest of questions. She deflects, dissembles and equivocates.

Sound like any particular well-known disgraced ex-President, anybody?

No one has ever run for the presidency longer or more obsessively than HRH. Except Richard Nixon.

She has no core principles other than self-advancement by any means possible - just like Bill.

No Clinton should be trusted any farther than you can throw the Sphinx.

ETA - it gives me no especial pleasure to say this, but the parallels are too many and too close to be ignored.

[MissDeeds]

28. +a zillion n/t

[Fumesucker]

31. Pat Paulsen ran for longer than Hillary has..

Although I'll grant you the "obsessive" part about Hillary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Paulsen

Patrick Layton "Pat" Paulsen (July 6, 1927 – April 24, 1997) was an American comedian and satirist notable for his roles on several of the Smothers Brothers TV shows, and for his campaigns for President of the United States in 1968, 1972, 1980, 1988, 1992, and 1996, which had primarily comedic rather than political objectives, although his campaigns generated some protest votes for him.

[hifiguy]

32. LOL!

He even beats Nixon, who started running in '52 as Ike's VP and never stopped until after the '72 election.

Pat was a hell of a lot funnier than either Nixon or HRH, that's for sure.

[Buns_of_Fire]

48. Ah, but how soon we forget Harold Stassen...

Stassen was later best known for being a perennial candidate for the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States, seeking it 10 times between 1940 and 2000 (1940, 1944, 1948, 1952, 1964, 1968, 1980, 1984, 1988, and 1992). He never won the Republican nomination, much less the presidency; in fact, after 1952, he never even came close, but continued to campaign actively and seriously for President until just a year before his death.

Stassen also ran for:

Dakota County District Attorney (he won in 1930 and 1934);

Governor of Minnesota on four occasions (he won on his first three attempts in 1938, 1940, and 1942, but was unsuccessful in 1982);

Governor of Pennsylvania twice (1958 and 1966);

United States Senate twice (1978 and 1994 in Minnesota);

Mayor of Philadelphia once (1959);

U.S. Representative (he was the Republican nominee against Bruce Vento of Minnesota in 1986).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Stassen

Now THERE'S a person with a serious addiction to public office! (And he didn't even capitalize on it to start his own line of vacuum cleaners or floor waxes or anything!)

"If elected, I will win." ~Pat Paulsen, probably the finest candidate of my lifetime.

[zeemike]

34. We are supposed to focus on the fact she would be the first woman POTUS

And for some people that is enough.
For them the death and suffering of others makes no difference at all...it's not their kids dying and we all know war is good for the econimy...at least for those with portfolios of defense stocks.

[hifiguy]

35. I repeat it would be Maggie Thatcher

comes to the US but with a much bigger, bloodier and uglier war than the Falklands. A catastrophe.

[roguevalley]

38. if you call her out you're using the woman thing and are sexist. Damn. This is so bad.

stop trying to show them you're 'man' enough to be president and start being someone we want. No more war.

[bvar22]

50. ....because she would be the first Woman President!

*Michele Malkin is a woman

*Michele Bachmann is a woman

*Sarah Palin is a woman

*Kay Bailey Hutchison is a woman

*Diane Feinstein is a woman (Democrat, but Crazy for WAR)

*Mean Jean Schmidt is a woman

*Laura Ingraham is a woman

*Ann Coulter is probably a woman

Gender means NOTHING when considering for whom to vote on Election Day.
"The 1st Woman President" is not an issue when considering your vote.

PEACE,
and reversing the "Transfer of Wealth" from the Working Class & Poor to the 1%
ARE worth voting for.

[hifiguy]

54. For a number of people here

what should never be an issue is the ONLY issue. It's pathetic.

[zeemike]

55. And that is not even a complete list.

Yep gender means nothing...policy is everything when giving power to someone.

[bvar22]

18. Dodging imaginary sniper fire...

...will do that to a person.

Happens all the time in my room.
OOPS! There was another one.
Lucky I ducked in time.

Hillary & I have Shared Experience in dodging Sniper Fire.

[olddots]

20. over whose dead bodies Hillary ?

I try not to hate her and her supporters but its getting harder ........

[awoke_in_2003]

24. Soon, our long national nightmare

of relative peace will come to an end.

[99th_Monkey]

25. More "muscular" than whom?? President Obama.???

I didn't know Hillary was running against her own Party's Democratic POTUS.

This is news indeed.

[retrowire]

26. Hillary supporters are all supportive of this.

they'll point out that Bernie is okay with drone strikes and do their damndest to deflect and sidestep the fact that Hillary, regarding war and foreign policy is MUCH worse than Bernie.

[roguevalley]

39. then draft everyone. If we're going to have war ad infinitum, lets have the draft

[bvar22]

68. I agree.

Anybody can half-ass their way through a war on another continent.
If we are going to have a WAR, then EVERYBODY fights...NO deferments.
4-Fs will be required to serve in some capacity too.

Lets have TOTAL War....not this 1/2 assed bullshit.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

27. "Iran will want to test the next president."

This isn't the COLD WAR!!! They aren't the ENEMY!!!

They had NOTHING to do with 9/11!!!

I suppose next you will go and schmooze with the Saudis.

[HassleCat]

29. I wonder why

Why does the US get to decide who is entitled to nuclear weapons? We have many of them, some already aimed at specific targets and ready to go. That's kinda like terrorism, no? I am disappointed to hear Clinton advocate a return to cold war style foreign policy. It means we are very likely to pull another stunt like the Iraq invasion, where we get involved in something we don't understand because we want to appear tough and decisive. I know I promised to vote for Clinton if she gets the nomination, but I'm having serious second thoughts now.

[WI_DEM]

33. Sorry Hillary, no more warmongers.

[Ed Suspicious]

36. This right fucking here is why I cannot see myself enjoying in any way casting my vote for her.

On this issue Hillary is a fucking neo-con chickenhawk.

[RoccoR5955]

37. This must be how she is rebooting her campaign

By appealing to the war mongers and such.

[Divernan]

41. The "showing more humor & heart reboot lasted about 24 hours!

[PADemD]

42. Once a Goldwater Girl, Always a Goldwater Girl

[RufusTFirefly]

47. One, two, three, four...

Where have all the flowers gone?

[stillwaiting]

43. God Damn I HATE her foreign policy hawkishness. nt

[bbgrunt]

44. so sorry Hillary, you've still got too much of that Goldwater dust on you.

[SoapBox]

45. Barfo.

War Hawk...Corporatist...Weathervane.

Not for me.

[Fuddnik]

46. This is just one of many reasons I will NEVER vote for her.

Neocon on foreign policy. Neoliberal on trade and the economy. Nothing more than a fraud, a huckster and a craven opportunist.

I've referred to her as "Bush in a skirt" for about 10 years". She's done nothing and probably can do nothing to change my mind.

[Divernan]

53. Get with it, man! You need to "evolve" your reference!

It's pantsuit, not skirt.

That showing-more-heart-and-humor reboot sure devolved back to the warhawk in the blink of an eye, didn't it?

Yet another amazingly clueless position for her to publicly take, although I believe it is her honest approach to governing. Americans (except for the Military Industrial Complex, its' employees and stockholders) and the majority of the rest of the world are damn sick of the U.S. endless war approach to governance.

[world wide wally]

49. OK, I've decided now.

Put me in the Bernie column

[Purveyor]

51. It's a good fucking thing she'll never be the nominee as

I would hate to break my consecutive votes for the dem
Candidate since 1976.

[Katashi_itto]

52. Alright! More War!

[ericson00]

57. just gave her a donation; I don't believe in "doves vs. hawks,"

I just don't America to be a pigeon. The GOP has one polling advantage, which is on foreign policy. This not only is good politics, its good policy. Fact is that radical Islamic terror is real and is not just a Rovian scare tactic, if the last 6.5 years have shown us anything.

[rainbow fish]

59. Created by the IWR which Clinton VOTED for.

There is no excuse. And you just admitted that you donated to a war hawk.

I guess.

[bvar22]

69. You know what happens when a country is bombed by a superpower,

and innocent women and children are murdered needlessly?
That country, AND its neighbors become "Radicalized", and tend to vote for those
"tough militant guys" they believe will protect them.

Predictable as the sunrise.
SO the majority of Radical, Militant Muslims were, in fact, created by the United States predatory foreign policy in the Middle East for the last 60 years.
They don't hate us for our "freedoms".
They hate us for killing their families and neighbors FOR THINGS THEY DIDN'T DO!
They hate us because we are fucking with their countries and people without being invited.

So, yeah Hillary, lets double down on the killing of innocents and increase the radicalization of the Middle East.

Over 4000 US killed
Estimates (we don't bother to count dead Iraqis) range to 1 MILLION innocent Iraqis killed.
Over 5 MILLION displaced from their homes and are refugees.

I don't know how that woman sleeps at night with that much blood on her hands.

[SMC22307]

58. No matter how many iterations, *there's* her true self.

Keep your Thx Box, Hillary.

[cherokeeprogressive]

60. You mean, a more "We came, we saw, he died"-ish kind of foreign policy?

Seems like by the time Libya and Syria are done dealing with Hillary Clinton's foreign policy accomplishments, half the population of Europe will be refugees from those countries.

[markpkessinger]

62. So, this means Chelsea is going to enlist, right? . . .

. . . Yeah, no, I didn't think so.

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. How many wars are enough for the MIC?

It's never going to stop. I am sick to death of all the warmongering. I want my son to know a peaceful country. Perhaps a country that does good things here at home and around the globe. Our children and future generations deserve to know what that's like.

It's pretty pathetic that a "Democratic" Presidential candidate can now be lumped into the neocon/chicken hawk/warmonger group! Sickening really. Now it can be said of Hillary - a vote for Hillary is a vote for more wars. Unfreakingbelievable. Disgusting.

[bullwinkle428]

64. The "early invite" to Bibi is a clear slap in the face to PBO;

make no mistake about that.

[kenfrequed]

65. To me it is remarkable

That when Hillary wants a "more muscular" foreign policy a lot of people here seem to think that it is ok. But when Bernie thinks that the ACA doesn't go far enough in providing healthcare that same group of people generally denounce him for not being loyal to the president or a true democrat. Sad, really.

[99Forever]

66. I see your true colors shining through.

I don't vote for warmongers.

[AgingAmerican]

70. She will punch Islam right in the kisser!!

I will pass on that one.