2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumErick Erickson: "John Roberts probably just handed Mitt Romney the White House."
Could this decision help Romney bring out voters as much as Erick Erickson of redstate.com thinks it will?
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)And people are moving to Canada in protest.
tanyev
(42,568 posts)After all, it is basically his plan. Going to be a lot of angry people at this year's GOP convention, many of them armed. Liberal protestors should give this one a wide berth.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Mittens is in the very awkward position of having to speak against a law that he pretty much invented.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Those voters likely to be swung by this decision were already going to vote against President Obama in the first place.
So no ... I don't believe it'll help ... unless the campaign completely fumbles the message between now and the election. (And I don't see that happening.)
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)Obama can virtually hang this on Romney in the debates. If not for the success of Romneycare, Obamacare might never have happened. . . .
treestar
(82,383 posts)These pundits are so stupid. How do they get jobs on TV or attention for their blogs when they are this stupid. Maybe this pundit just does not know about Romneycare.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Do you expect anything different from REDSTATE.com?
dhill926
(16,346 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)flpoljunkie
(26,184 posts)It's just wishful thinking.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)high density
(13,397 posts)I guess that's probably true in their "down is up" world that they like to perpetuate.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Yeah, that's REALLY going to help rMoney.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)We all knew this was going to be spun to Romney's advantage by people like that, but it seems I have heard this song before, just different verse about almost everything Obama does.
so true!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)that Roberts handed Obama reelection.
demwing
(16,916 posts)this will not change the base, but it will reassure the center that Obama wasn't just over his head when he pushed this through.
This is a huge triumph for team Obama, and the Red States know it.
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)center rising
(971 posts)bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)him because just like the democrats back in the day got Medicare and won the next Presidential election this is the same
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Then these same critters would be saying that the President had wasted his first term of office on an unconstitutional legislation. Just as they were in the days preceding the final judgment. It's like anything else Obama does, his opponents resent him to the point that they will discredit him for any reason. They were disappointed when Bin Laden was found and killed. They wouldn't compromise on deficit reduction and blamed him for that. Can you wrap your head around that? The conservatives blamed him for not giving them 100% of what they wanted. So they will continue to say and do all they can to mislead the public and keep everyone in fear of the future, because they found it works for them and they can get away with it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Thanks for the laugh.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)....a major defeat today for Obama and he would have won the White House?
Silly analysis
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but the Republicans still won the next presidential election.
The 1991 Gulf War was a "major victory" for bu$h Senior, but he still lost his bid for re-election.
Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)And Splits within the Democratic party.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Nixon won half of the Southern states because of backlash from the Civil Rights Act
The other half went to Wallace, who was no fan of the act himself. Only Texas (among the old Confederate states) voted for Humphrey.
KatChatter
(194 posts)to win POTUS.
But a Pub cannot win unless they take every single Southern State plus a number of other states.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I'm more fired up than ever. We must get out the vote - for Obama and for Congress. Put the ignorant & fearful - and the super greedy insensitive rich republicans who manipulate them - out to pasture.
This is the beginning of many battles. I'll keep fighting to my dying breath. That's where the joy is in life - doing things for the common good. Fighting imbeciles & assholes along the way, meeting interesting people, and having fun doing it!
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Sentath
(2,243 posts)This person doesn't sound like a font of prognostications.
Does he have a track record?
Mayberry Machiavelli
(21,096 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)but, I kinda doubt it. If he would have owned it from the beginning til today he could take credit. Robme was doomed from the start though, in order to appease his base he has to pretend that his mandate was ok because it was just at a state level. But otoh, it is still a big government mandate. But, the tea party crowd is easily appeased since Robme is white and running against Obama, so they let the issue go. But, now this issue is going to be talked about from now until Nov. and I doubt that the tea party crowd has the cognitive dissonance needed to separate Robme from his role in shaping the ACA.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)All over the country Americans will be receiving emails and letters from their insurance companies explaining that there is nothing to worry about regarding ACA and their healthcare and their coverage will continue and actually improve.
See message below I just got from Keiser Permanente./
The Supreme Court decision on the federal health care reform law has settled much of the legal uncertainty over how the law will be carried out.
As a Kaiser Permanente member, you need not be concerned about any disruption to your coverage and care resulting from the court's decision.
With your health and well-being in mind, we plan to continue our extensive efforts to implement health care reform, which began two years ago when the law first became effective.
We are implementing state and federal reform laws as an integrated health care system. These laws incorporate certain requirements around health care coverage. They also address broader improvements to the way health care is delivered now and in the future.
We are continuing to improve the quality and integration of care, and ensuring that we have the resources in place physicians, nurses, and other staff, as well as the right health care facilities to provide the care you and your family will need.
We are also reviewing the court's decision to determine how it may affect the law's expansion of Medicaid coverage to millions of Americans, which is planned to begin in 2014.
While political uncertainty still remains, we'll continue to be guided by our goals of providing high-quality care, great service, and affordability to our members and the communities we serve.
Messages like this contradict all the nonsense the idiotic RWingers are claiming about ACA.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)much of the ACA, and I love it.
I am not spamming. I am happy with Kaiser. You have to be a proactive patient as with any insurance, but for me, it is good coverage. I can't speak for others. That's just my opinion.
It is affordable. The coverage makes sense. If a condition is probably not that serious, I don't get an emergency appointment. But a couple of times, my doctor has given me a last minute appointment just because the symptoms sounded serious. They never were really that serious, and I do not go often (in fact I hate going to the doctor), but I am very impressed by how quickly I could get an appointment if Kaiser thought I should be given priority. In a big city like LA, that is saying a lot.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Their system makes sense, its efficient and works well for me. I love the fact I can just go to one place it get it all done.
Cheers!
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)are on the ACA.
Right now, we need to get copies of the bill and start reading so that we can discuss it intelligently with the voters we meet.
I would like to see the Obama campaign offer courses in the ACA so that campaigners, those of us who talk to voters, are better prepared than ever to discuss this and other issues.
This is sorely missing from Democratic Party campaign preparation. Democrats rely on volunteers to make up for a lack of corporate funding and PR, but the Democratic Party neglects the education of the volunteers on the issues.
I have campaigned with great organizers and am repeatedly shocked by the lack of information about the issues that some enthusiastic Democrats reveal on the campaign trail. This has to be changed if we are to win this year.
We have to be prepared to answer Fox News and all the Republican talking points. That's the only way we can win over the independent and Republican voters.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Inuca
(8,945 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)The right couldn't hate the ACA any more than it already does.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)they're going to flock to vote for the guy that invented it?
demwing
(16,916 posts)which is why you know the exact opposite is true...
agentS
(1,325 posts)in the ACA. Because this guy's off his rocker if he thinks this will be a winning ticket for R-Money (inc).
Yes the entire bill is unpopular but the important parts ARE popular. Will family voters vote for R-Money because he will revoke the law and thus their kids' health care. Yeah, come on...
We'll be focused on the European and Asian economies in the next few months, but the Ericksons of the world will get monetary support for R-Money based on the ruling. BUT money doesn't win elections- reaching your voters does.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Bookmark his post at his little website. Get screenshots/images that might accompany it.
Then throw it up in his face in November.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)can't blame 'em for trying to change the talking points.
sinkingfeeling
(51,460 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Obama would love to talk about Healthcare from here through the election, it's a losing issue for Mitt and he knows it that's why he's been mum on it until now.
Obama will be up 7-10 points in all major polls within the next 10 days.
SILVER__FOX52
(535 posts)what this guy is smoking.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)restate dot come = FAIL
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Press: "Mr. Romney, your healthcare plan was exactly the same in Massachusetts and you actively advocated that it be expanded from Massachusetts to the rest of the country, how can you be outraged at Obama's Health Care plan?"
Mitt Romney: "Er, um, er,um, it's not the same, mine is totally different!!!"
Press: "OK, how exactly is it different Mr. Romney?"
Mitt Romney: "Er, um, OK, er well, you see, if you turn to page 148 of mine, you'll see that I used a semi colon in the 3rd sentence of the 2nd paragraph, where as Obama used a colon, you see? They are totally different plans based upon punctuation."
Press: "That's ridiculous."
Mitt Romney: "Well that's because you hate freedom."
Rosanna Lopez
(308 posts)Don't expect the Press to cross-examine Mitt Romney in that kind of detail.
So far they have been pretty laid back in asking him tough questions.