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enough

(13,259 posts)
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:11 PM Aug 2015

"Where's the #BlackLivesMatter Critique of the Black Misleadership Class, or Obama or Hillary?"

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Where's the #BlackLivesMatter Critique of the Black Misleadership Class, or Obama or Hillary?
Submitted by Bruce A. Dixon on Thu, 08/06/2015

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Some better questions are whether #BlackLivesMatter is really anything like a peoples movement aimed at changing society and lives for the better, or is it the private vehicle of its co-creators who get to take it where they decide to go? To whom are #BlackLivesMatter's leaders accountable, and just where are they taking their “movement”? Barack Obama's 2008 campaign marketed itself as “the movement” too.

Why doesn't the #BlackLivesMatter movement, supposedly focused upon the unique needs of people of color, have any critique of the black political class, almost all Democrats, who have been key stakeholders in the building of the prison state, in gentrification and school privatization from New Orleans to Detroit and beyond, and who helped peddle the subprime mortgages to black families which exploded and cut black family wealth by nine-tenths? Have they even noticed that a black president has closed and privatized more public schools than any other in US history? For all the big words they use, do they ever mention the word “capitalism”?

There are ominous signs. Last month folks whom Alicia Garza described as “part of our team” disrupted two minor white male candidates at NetRootsNation, the annual networking event for paid and wannabe paid Democratic party activists, embarrassing them with demands over structural racism and “say her name”. If they were positioning themselves for careers inside the far-flung Democratic party apparatus, it was a smart move, because Hillary wasn't there. Hence they got noticed in that crowd of Democrat operatives without antagonizing the people with the real money and connections.

When Hard Knock Radio's Davey D interviewed Garza on July 21, just before the Cleveland #BlackLivesMatter conference, Garza dropped several more indications that seem to point toward an eventual affiliation with Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

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"Where's the #BlackLivesMatter Critique of the Black Misleadership Class, or Obama or Hillary?" (Original Post) enough Aug 2015 OP
Nope. They are just after Bernie. I do not think they will let up unless he backs out of the djean111 Aug 2015 #1
Agree malokvale77 Aug 2015 #8
From what I hear more and more Black people will support Bernie Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #10
Jeb thanks you Florencenj2point0 Aug 2015 #13
I am tired of the jaded manipulation. djean111 Aug 2015 #15
agreed n/t zazen Aug 2015 #2
Excellent and to the point dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #3
K&R. n/t winter is coming Aug 2015 #4
There has been plenty of anger directed at the Government, under this sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #5
Clinton can "distance" herself all she wants. They are not disrupting her events jeff47 Aug 2015 #6
"No one recieved an answer" - says a lot dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #7
Actually, I think and agree with one AA who recently stated, that politics is not the sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #9
Well, I have to disagree there dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #11
Actually you ARE agreeing with me. Politicians have had DECADES to end discrimination sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #12
wut wut? Florencenj2point0 Aug 2015 #14
YOU say hello to President Jeb. n/t djean111 Aug 2015 #16
Bruce Dixon... SidDithers Aug 2015 #17
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. Nope. They are just after Bernie. I do not think they will let up unless he backs out of the
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:17 PM
Aug 2015

primaries, and then they would brag about it. As for me, I am now determined to vote for Bernie, primary and general, whether he is on the ballot or not.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
8. Agree
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 10:14 PM
Aug 2015

It is a shame this is where the Democratic Party has decided to go.

I will never back the smearing of an honorable person.

Rosa Luxemburg

(28,627 posts)
10. From what I hear more and more Black people will support Bernie
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:28 PM
Aug 2015

it's kind of a puzzle with missing pieces.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
15. I am tired of the jaded manipulation.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:39 AM
Aug 2015

In any event, the prevailing attitude of many young people - who see what actually happens to them and do not pay attention to politics - is that there is no difference between most of the GOP and Dem candidates, most are corporate or controlled. Someone may have a big surprise coming if they think that cynical and practiced "Say hello to president Jeb or Cruz or whoever" is going to guilt them into registering and voting Dem. Not saying right or wrong, saying what I see the attitude is.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
3. Excellent and to the point
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 08:59 PM
Aug 2015

I don't know the source and don't necessarily rec their views in general, but the words posted in the OP are absolutely right on.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
5. There has been plenty of anger directed at the Government, under this
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:07 PM
Aug 2015

President and every other one, none of whom have done a single thing to stop the slaughter by cops, of AAs.

Demands have been made to offer protection to AAs from the police. Nothing has been done so far.

As for those who threatened to 'shut down every event' Sanders, Hillary's closest opponent, that is another matter.

When the NRN event occurred, I went to the account of the moderator. I asked him a few questions, he answered them, though some of his 'supporters' were pretty nasty. The one question he did not answer was 'are you a Hillary supporters'. Many other people also asked that question,

No one received an answer.

The issue is real and it is dire and an emergency situation at this point. Shutting down someone who doesn't have the power to END it, is political.

The DOJ CAN step in, they did in the Rodney King case, so far they have done nothing other than write a report.

The Dem Mayor and Gov of the state where Michael Brown was murdered by a cop, sent out the NG, robo cops with military grade weapons against the peaceful protesters of Ferguson.

Clearly politicians are going to do NOTHING, other than perhaps, Bernie Sanders.

So the perception will remain that this is a political stunt on behalf of the Hillary campaign.

Nothing they can do about that, unless Hillary distances hersefl publicly from them.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. Clinton can "distance" herself all she wants. They are not disrupting her events
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:14 PM
Aug 2015

Nor are they disrupting Obama or Lynch events, and those two can actually do something right now.

That makes it utterly transparent where their interest lie.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
7. "No one recieved an answer" - says a lot
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 09:49 PM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456257

White Progressives™ are gonna learn today. #SayHerName #NN15.


Does he think Hillary is a white progressive?

I think she is a corporatist, not a progressive. Does he think the corporatist wing of the party cares more about his issues than the progressive wing?

How's that police state doing, seems to me it's ramped up considerably under our black POTUS who is quite at home in the corporate wing.

We need someone who takes on the powerful, not someone who sides with them.

I've seen plenty of DU posters who seem to favor Democratic corporatists when addressing race issues, but they are posters who I have pretty much never seen post about anything related to excessive corporate power, or to the need for radical change to address climate change and reduce militarism. Or even to prioritize wealth inequlaity. No, they defend Obama and HRC without question, and attack actual progressives as people who are helping Republicans.

There's a whole lot that doesn't smell right.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. Actually, I think and agree with one AA who recently stated, that politics is not the
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 11:24 PM
Aug 2015

answer to this. Politics and politicians did NOT help get Marriage Equality for Gays, or end DADT. It was the PEOPLE themselves who took their issues to the COURTS.

Log Cabin Republicans were the driving force behind ending DADT. Politicians followed.

AAs are beginning to realize this. After DECADES of these horrific crimes by cops, NOTHING has been done to stop them by any powerful Politiician from either party.

Every election, like Gay Rights, it is used as a political football. After the election, nothing more is heard.

So AAs need and are realizing this, to take this to Court. They need to file Civil Rights Lawsuits demanding that laws be passed to protect them from our Civilian Police.

A court ruling goes a long way to advancing Civil Rights.

I see no ending to the murder of AAs by cop coming from the political arena. After decades of what we see every election, things are only getting worse.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
11. Well, I have to disagree there
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:23 AM
Aug 2015

The courts could possibly do something, it's not as clear-cut to prove unequal protection IMO as it was to demonstrate that you're human and deserve the right to marry, but I welcome any progress that can be made through the courts.

I think we haven't had any politicians in power who were willing to stand up to the rising police state, ;argely because, in, my opinion, the police state is the strong-arm of a government that no longer represents the will of its people (see Pickety et al). People are figuring this out, and as they do, the system's response is to crank up the police state. That it attracts racist authoritarian goons is mostly a side effect, the purpose is to brutally put down anyone that can be a threat to business as usual, and to make things nice and clean so the rich folk don't have to look at their victims.

Politicians can do a lot, it's just that they aren't. Most all of them are owned and so are part of the problem.

Politicians can't, of course, end racism, that's up to all of us, but there are a lot of things they can do to rein in the police state.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
12. Actually you ARE agreeing with me. Politicians have had DECADES to end discrimination
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 12:35 AM
Aug 2015

especially by what they CAN control, our system of justice. But instead they have HELD UP PROGRESS, see DOMA eg, and DADT.

Giving up on the political solution, Log Cabin Repubs took their case to court AND WON. A court ruled that to deny Gays the right to serve openly in the Military was to deny them their constitutional rights.

That should have been that. Instead, the DOJ FOUGHT that ruling for one whole year. Until it could be USED for political purposes.

At that time, Dem voters expected their newly elected Dem majority to end the Bush Tax Cuts for Millionaires.

No question, this was a given to those of us who worked so hard to get that majority.

So what to do if you are a Dem who got your job because voters expected you to end those tax cuts?

Well, you hold up Gay Rights until the Tax Cuts come up in the Fall. THEN you USE IT to claim 'we had to extend the Bush Tax Cuts in exchange for ending DADT.

Cynical political games that play with people's lives. For a year, many Gays who came out in the military, lost their benefits and jobs while the politicians worked to figure out how to USE them in order to help their Billionaire donors.

Sorry, I have no faith anymore, nor do a majority of Americans. Have you seen the poll numbers on Congress recently?

Now it's up to the people to put an end to the corporate control of our government. I'm doing my part, supporting the ONLY candidate in this race who has a long record of being RIGHT on the issues, but facing a bought Congress who consistently supported their donors over the people.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
14. wut wut?
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:14 AM
Aug 2015

what is sanders going to do?

Yes indeedy, it is all a plot by the gubmint, SuperHilllary, President Obama and the CBC to keep the true hero of minorities, poor unassuming humble Bernie from winning his rightful place as Democratic nominee.

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