Dear Hillary Bashers: your guilt-by-association card is now void.

[DanTex]

If you want to reactivate it, contact Liberty University.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

4. *picks up dropped mic*. Kissinger. *drops mic again*

[beam me up scottie]

73. Thread still over!

[whatchamacallit]

16. Lol!

[DanTex]

19. Yup, that's the one! Hope you enjoyed it, because it's useless now!

[Ken Burch]

48. No it isn't. Hillary praised Kissinger's book.

That means she agrees with a lot of what he did.

Note how she has never publicly criticized what Dr. K did to Chile and Cambodia and what he abetted in East Timor.

The Liberty U speech isn't an endorsement of anything Falwell stood for.

[treestar]

100. No it doesn't

It could be just general praise. Well written book. Expressed his views well.

[Kelvin Mace]

32. Thank you

I don't think Bernie is calling Falwell jr. his friend.

[beam me up scottie]

42. Thread over!

Nicely done!




Of course we all know that Bernie is only speaking to students at Liberty U, not getting in bed with them. It's obvious that the op's "guilt by association" is just more projection from another disgruntled and disappointed Hillary fan.




"guilt by association"

[Cali_Democrat]

72. Poster over

Ban hammer dropped.

*cackle*

[beam me up scottie]

74. Thread still over:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=500482

[Cali_Democrat]

75. Thread still going:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=499588

[beam me up scottie]

76. And it still doesn't make any frigging sense!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=499639

[Cali_Democrat]

80. Let's not fight.

Let's just make sure we unite behind the Dem nominee, regardless of who it is.

Let's join hands.

[beam me up scottie]

82. Okay.

We have to keep the White House, losing is not an option.

I shudder to think what it will mean for all of us if the GOP keeps control of both houses and gets the presidency too.

[AgingAmerican]

2. Huh?

nt

[SonderWoman]

3. Uh oh. What happened?

[ibegurpard]

7. Bernie is speaking at Liberty University

Which apparently equates to years of pro war, pro corporate fundraising and legislation and advocacy.

[Sancho]

10. Do you mean Locheed Martin and the F35?

[MannyGoldstein]

22. Did Bernie advocate for the F-35?

Or for already-budgeted jobs to be located in Vermont?

[beam me up scottie]

54. *crickets*

[MannyGoldstein]

57. BS memes are sad. nt

[dsc]

60. and you would accept that excuse from anyone else

give me an ever loving break. He supported a worthless plane long past the time when it was clear that the plane was worthless. If Hillary did this you would be screaming about corruption from here to eternity and back again.

[Betty Karlson]

89. Your irony is delightful. thanks for the smile on my face. eom

[TheSarcastinator]

5. False Equivalence of the Highest and Most Deceptive Order

To pretend for a moment that speaking to a crowd of students at Liberty is equal to working hand-in-hand with "The Family" from C Street is just sad and completely dishonest.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clintons-religion-and-politics

"Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

[AgingAmerican]

11. "The Family"

Believe they are chosen/targeted by god for prosperity and wealth. They are a money worship cult.

[Scuba]

40. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[beam me up scottie]

43. Yes indeed.

[arcane1]

53. Surely you didn't expect an honest criticism of Sanders

They are rare indeed! Usually the criticisms are just desperate and sad, like this OP.

[pablo_marmol]

84. Absolutely correct........quite laughable actually. NT

[MoveIt]

87. not to generalize about Texans

but maybe all Dan's employ false equivalence in this way.

[HassleCat]

6. Good point

Yes, it's true. Sanders went to Liberty University and pandered to them, told them Jesus wanted him to make the US a Christian nation once more, promised to outlaw all abortion, said he would close down public education and initiate biblically correct curricula, vowed to end gay marriage, and much more. What? Oh yeah... That was Colonel Sanders, not Bernie Sanders. Sorry for the mix-up.

[R B Garr]

9. Exactly, and this is what will happen more and more. It turns out

that the world is much larger and infinitely more diverse than a reliable voting bloc from a sparse 600,000 population state.

[Live and Learn]

12. Trying to change minds through speaking to students (some of whom are actually Democrats)

is not the same as befriending and seeking campaign contributions from them. There can be no comparison between the two.

By the way, you do know that Senator Kennedy gave a rather famous speech at the college.

[kenfrequed]

13. Let's see

Continual association with an organization that participated in working in Uganda to increase the laws against gay people.


is identical to


Going once to an evangelical school to talk to them about your issues and how they should support positions they are opposed to.





Yeah, that doesn't make any frigging sense.

[CharlotteVale]

14. +1

[Vincardog]

26. Don't forget Berie was INVITED. Hill asked to join.

[kath]

33. + a brazillion

[kenfrequed]

35. Wow!

"That is not a small number"

[beam me up scottie]

45. Of course it doesn't make sense, Hector Projector is really reaching.

btw I borrowed your excellent comparison and used it in another op.

[kenfrequed]

49. Well thank you

I wouldn't ordinarily use an argument like that, but the response to Bernie walking into the lions den of Liberty U was so hyperbolic that I forgave myself this once.

[beam me up scottie]

52. Completely understandable.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=500201

[jeff47]

15. Because you win votes by only talking to people who already support you.

No wonder Team Clinton is so insular.

[99th_Monkey]

17. +10 nt

[Ed Suspicious]

21. +1

[whatchamacallit]

18. Partisan hackery at its finest

[artislife]

20. +1

[840high]

25. +2

[Armstead]

23. The cough,cough....Family cough,cough

I don't think Bernie gets his "inspiration" regularly from Liberty....cough,cough

[Vincardog]

24. The difference is ... Bernie is going to convert them, rather than celebrate with them

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[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Exactly...thank you!

[Indepatriot]

27. According to The Trumpster HRC attended his wedding...

[AgingAmerican]

34. He claims she had no choice because he paid her

But it's Donald Trump so who knows what really happened

[juajen]

94. I saw Trump answering this question on TV

What he said there, was "I told her to come, so she came. I didnt hear a word about payment.

[Android3.14]

28. He reaches out to Christians for the same reason he reaches out to you

Like real Democrats believe in particular values, real Christians believe they are supposed to follow the philosophy of that Nazarene due when it comes to caring for the poor, healthcare, social services, and acceptance. The problem is that they, like you, are feeling that cognitive dissonance of worshiping a personality rather than living their professed values.

You want to avoid war. You want people to have a fair chance economically, you know what this country needs. You are a true Democrat. You just hitched your wagon to a nightmare and are afraid to admit it. It's okay.

I understand that you are in pain. It would be awful knowing in my gut that the candidate I'm following was a corporate warmongering tool of the rich and powerful, but continuously telling myself that she really-really-really is a Democrat (except, you know, when it comes to corporate control, war, TPP, XL Pipeline, and soooooo many things you just suppress in that aching brain of yours.)

The same is true for the Christians at Liberty U. Sanders knows there are countless young Christians who want to live the philosophy of Christ, which would make them liberals once they realize it (just like you would support Bernie when you realized he actually represented progressive Democratic values).

It's okay, DanTex. When you stop projecting your self hate and want to support someone who truly believes what you do, there will be no judgement. You are always welcome.

[mak3cats]

29. Choosing to address a potentially hostile crowd...

...to me shows guts, not guilt.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

37. Absolutely right! n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Here's stroll down memory lane for candidate Obama at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church

Sad enough that he attended, sadder still that he decided to bring Rick Warren home with him to spoil the Inaugural for all the LGBT Americans Warren had just called pedophiles on TV.

[msongs]

38. the difference here is that obama and warren shared the same values nt

[Ken Burch]

51. apparently not, since Obama has turned out to be the Rainbow Emancipator. n/t.

[JoePhilly]

66. And DU exploded in endless rage and anger.

The reality is it was fine for Obama to go there ... and its fine for Bernie too go.

At the time many of us said that Obama knew he couldn't help anyone if he lost the election.

DADT is now gone. DOMA too.

Obama played the far RW, and keep the middle from getting too nervous. Won the election (twice) And then ... he got the job done.

Its fine for Bernie to go talk to these nut jobs. College kids indoctrinated into their parents special brand of crazy. Go get'em Bernie.

Its also fun, however, to watch some of those who freaked out about Obama, and who would go absolutely nuts if Hillary went there now ... to find the shoe on the other foot.

[treestar]

101. So you're against Bernie now too, right?

If he's speaking at Liberty U., that enables those conservatives the same way.

[beam me up scottie]

103. No it doesn't since Bernie has always supported lgbt rights.

Conservatives know that he doesn't share their bigotry and he certainly didn't give them a national stage in order to promote it.

[stonecutter357]

31. K&R!

[DemByDefault]

36. Interesting (logic)

Lete get this clear.. Bernie Speaking to students at a conservative school is a higher offense in your book, than Hillary clearly being in the pockets of all the banks, the for-profit prison industry, the war profiteers, etc? What a pathetic attempt to deflect all the well deserved criticism that Mrs. Clinton rightfully receives!

[DemByDefault]

41. If one basis their support of Hillary

On the argument of electability, thats fine. But these mindless slanders implying Bernie doesn't care about minorities or *gasp* He spoke with conservative students!!!1!.. Are so pathetic!

[Vinca]

44. Aren't candidates allowed to talk to all the people?

Or is the new mandate to speak only to those who agree with you?

[Ken Burch]

46. Wrong. Speaking at Liberty U. does not equate to endorsing Falwell's views.

There's no difference between Bernie speaking there and Teddy speaking there.

[otherone]

47. yes

[sgtbenobo]

83. quetly....

....you rock.

OHIO THE ONLY STATE THAT MATTERs

[beam me up scottie]

50. But Ted wasn't a candidate!!1!

And it was 60 years ago*!

Argle bargle screech!





*yes someone actually said that

[jberryhill]

55. In 1983 Ted was the presumptive front runner

[beam me up scottie]

56. Logic is not their forte.

And apparently math isn't either.

[dsc]

61. He stated in december of 1982 that is before 1983 in case you are unsure

that he wouldn't be running. So no, he wasn't the front runner in 1983

[beam me up scottie]

62. Right.

That Whooooooooooooosh! sound you heard was the point screaming over your head at mach 1.

[dsc]

63. you claimed that those people saying he wasn't a candidate are liars

the fact is he wasn't running. He said, in December if 1982, that he wasn't running. In short, the people saying he wasn't running were totally, completely, utterly accurate and you were flat out wrong.

[beam me up scottie]

64. I did?

I must have done that in my sleep, can you point out the post where I said that?

[dsc]

67. Here is your post

But Ted wasn't a candidate!!1!

And it was 60 years ago*!

Argle bargle screech!

now on what planet were you not saying that people posting that stuff are liars but if that isn't what your are trying to say I can't for the life of me think what you were trying to say. And let's repeat. You were 100 percent, gold carat, wrong. You were wrong that he was a candidate in 1983. He wasn't just as some of us said.

[beam me up scottie]

68. That planet would be Earth.

You were wrong that he was a candidate in 1983.

1) I never said he WAS a candidate.

2) I was mocking bullshit like this:

Ted Kennedy spoke there for a completely different reason, and his reason wasn't....

....to pander to rightwingers.

Not only that, but when Ted Kennedy spoke there, those in attendance were there voluntarily, they weren't FORCED to be there like those who saw Ted Cruz a couple of months ago or Sanders next month.

So please retract your unfounded accusation.

I don't expect an apology but a little honesty would be nice.

If you can't rise to the occasion, no worries, I've gotten used to being disappointed by HC supporters.

[dsc]

69. then why didn't you put that in your post

instead you put in your post but he wasn't a candidate with a statement that was completely false (that it was 60 years ago). Oh, and you answered a post that directly stated that he was the front runner, not just a candidate mind you but the front runner, with total agreement. So yea, you sure as Hell did imply he was a candidate. So no apology for you.

[beam me up scottie]

70. Because I didn't want to call out that poster.

I told you you were wrong about what I posted and instead of acknowledging that fact you're doubling down on the accusation.

Not surprising, honesty isn't their forte either.

[treestar]

99. True and fine, but I think the OP is getting at

that when Hillary spoke to Kissinger, she adopted his views. We've seen posts like that.

[HFRN]

58. not everyone hides from controversy, behind a rope line

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

[cyberswede]

59. Ridiculous.

There absolutely nothing wrong with giving a speech to college students.

[JoePhilly]

65. Its kind of funny.

I think its perfectly fine for Bernie to go and speak at that nut cake factory. Why not.

However, if Obama or Hillary did anything similar ... DU's high priest's of liberalism would be casting spells, invoking the saints, and performing exorcisms.

But in the case of Bernie ... the high priests have quickly come forward to absolve "the one" ... or should I say "the new one".

Threads like this one always make me smile. I like nothing better than watching the high and mighty drop down from their heavenly perch.

[Ron Green]

71. TOPS

[name not needed]

77. While we're on the subject of associating with the right...

[artislife]

79. One country and the dead we don't count

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-children-of-iraq-was-the-price-worth-it/30760

Read it and weep.

And that is just one vote.

[delrem]

81. Is all "guilt by association" the same?

Suppose I joined the KKK. Is my "association" the same as if I addressed the children and associates of KKKers, to explain my political philosophy?

If so, then we've absolved everyone who's ever joined an association like the KKK, making everything into a purple marshmallow munge.

[TM99]

85. Damn Teddy Kennedy!

[MoveIt]

86. 14 "people" recommended this crap?

ugh

[Bobbie Jo]

90. "people?"

What's up with the scare quotes around the word people?

Seriously?

Pffffft...make that 15 "people."

[Autumn]

88. Oh dear. Have Bernie and Foulwell become friends?

Will Bernie embrace and advocate Foulwells history as Hillary embraces Kissinger's? Get back to me when he does.

[Puglover]

91. Help.

I can't decide which is my favorite.

This bullshit meme

or

"I DID support Bernie but his supporters have changed my mind."

[MoveIt]

92. But they are doing great work here

because anyone not supporting her inevitableness must clearly be stupid so why bother with sound arguments.

[merrily]

95. LOL!

[ThoughtCriminal]

93. Really? And this is actually getting RECs?

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

[merrily]

96. Ted Kennedy's speech was a hit at Liberty, but I don't see 4000 photos of him embracing and

chuckling at and socializing with Falwell year in and year out online.

Epic fail false equivalency all you've got on this?

[Agony]

97. yabut her "the company you keep" card is in full play

this is just #silly

[davidpdx]

98. Trash

Welcome to my ignore list

[cantbeserious]

102. Minion For Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Guilt By Association Secure

eom