Hillary: We should make voting easier, not harder

[onehandle]

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https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/629368406920331264

[PoliticAverse]

1. If you can "automatically" register everyone to vote at 18, why do males have to

specifically register for the draft at 18 instead of it being done automatically?

[AllFieldsRequired]

2. i dont know how the system would know to register people unless they did

it by locating them thru tax returns.

Oregon is doing something interesting, everybody is registered unless they opt out, but how?

I should look that up

[PoliticAverse]

3. Oregon is only automatically registering those with records at the Department of Motor Vehicles. n/t

[AllFieldsRequired]

4. Better than nothing, I guess. We need a way to register people automatically

when they turn 18.

So you are born, assigned a soc sec #, you then know that on your 18th birthday you are registered. I guess we could use soc sec #'s in voting somehow

NATIONAL REGISTRY

[dsc]

12. social security would know

in order to be able to get the deduction for having a child you must have a social security number for that child. Social Security would then have the ages of those people.

[AllFieldsRequired]

14. Everybody has a soc sec card, you make a national registry, when you go to vote

they just check to see that you exist, if you EXIST, you vote

By virtue of your soc sec # you exist

[freshwest]

22. People get SS#s at birth. They go to school on that number, get health care under it, etc.

I hate that the draft is still 'legally' in effect in the case of a huge event that turns into a war. But the volunteer force appears to be satisfying most.

The big problem in the Vietnam era other than the entire CF it was, hinged on being 'You're old enough to die, but not for voting.'

I canvassed and got many signatures to get the voting age down to 18 from 21. Because in those days, many were sent to die or be mangled who had no say so when they got their 'Greetings' letters from 'Uncle Sam.'

It was a time when young men without means or connections like the wealthy had, or the ability to get student deferments, thought hard about what the nation was doing. Since the draft was allowed to expire in the seventies, the pressure has been off to think about such matters.

But back then, after all, it was their lives on the line. Some fled to Canada, and others like Muhammad Ali defied induction on the basis of his religion, but the majority had to either join up in hopes of getting less dangerous duty, or be drafted and taken to fight a war they had no stake in.

Not telling you anything you didn't know if you are of that age. I don't know what your age is, and in any case, not lecturing to you or anyone else. Just pointing out that about the selective service.

I think we should be registered to vote at birth. This is part of why the GOP wants an Article V Convemtional to rewrite the 14th to eliminate the 'birthright citizenship' clause and probably tinker with Due Process and Equal Protection Under The Law. It took a Civil War and two other amendments to rectify the defects in the original Constitution. Much of our current understanding of our rights flow from those amendments. Including the right to vote, but it's by interpretation, not by amendment. It's very hard to get an amendment now.

[Doctor_J]

5. Sanders attacks 'political cowards' pushing tougher voting-rights laws

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/250464-sanders-attacks-political-cowards-pushing-tougher-voting-rights-laws

Sanders backs voting rights bill

Sanders - the fight for voting rights is our fight today

I'm puzzled by the OP. Is there one of the Dem candidates who doesn't suport voting rights? If so let me know and I'll cross them off of my list of eole to whom I might get my vote. If not, this OP probably belongs in HRC

[onehandle]

6. And yet here it is.

[RobertEarl]

17. Hillary canz tweet?

Her new easy vote idea is nothing more than a tweet?

That's pretty cheap, isn't it? Where's the beef? Heck, not even any innards, neckbone or vertebra with this tweet?

I mean, golly gee, the only people who are against easy vote are republicans. Think they'll be influenced by her little tweet?

OTOH Bernie wants to make vote day a holiday. Now that's BEEF!


Sanders introduces bill to make Federal election day a national holiday
115 recs : By think
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251496520

[BainsBane]

7. Make sure everyone only sees the false, BS claims about Clinton

and banish her actual statements and policies to the HRC group, so no one gets the right idea that she is actually a liberal.

[Qutzupalotl]

19. He's not attacking Clinton, he's attacking the GOP.

Please take the time to read his links.

[SunSeeker]

8. Funny, you didn’t scold this pro voting rights post re Sanders in GDP...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251496520

[Qutzupalotl]

18. Please read his links.

He's not attacking Clinton, he's attacking Republicans.

[SunSeeker]

21. I read his words. His links are, ironically, about Sanders' statements supporting voting rights.

Doctor J's exact words (typos and all) were:

I'm puzzled by the OP. Is there one of the Dem candidates who doesn't support voting rights? If so let me know and I'll cross them off of my list of eole to whom I might get my vote. If not, this OP probably belongs in HRC

He is attacking the idea of posting anything about Hillary Clinton in GDP that involves her espousing a stance we all agree on. That IS attacking Clinton. What he is saying is we should not post anything positive about Hillary in GDP.

[Qutzupalotl]

23. Ah, I misunderstood your intent.

BTW, I meant that Sanders was not attacking Clinton. Unclear from my use of pronouns, I know.

[William769]

15. All I will say on the subject is at least Hillary is a Democrat. NT

[BooScout]

16. I'm puzzled why you would object ....

....to a thread about the issue of voting rights and the stand of the candidate that polls at the head of the Democratic field of those running for President.

Would you rather we shut down all discussion and debate on the issues?

[tularetom]

9. A blind clock finds an acorn twice a day

[SonderWoman]

11. She's been advocating voting rights since 1972.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/04/411986520/hillary-clintons-teenage-search-for-voter-fraud

[tularetom]

13. And your point is…?

It's a no brainer.

Any Democratic candidate who would not agree with the points expressed in that missive doesn't deserve to be our candidate.

However, the converse isn't necessarily true. Agreement by itself doesn't entitle one to be nominated without opposition.

[freshwest]

20. Thanks. And she soon was working on impeaching Nixon.

That would have made a huge difference in our nation since then.

The people in the Senate were being surveilled by the Nixon administration in 1972 to obstruct and intimidate them. I saw the hearings and saw as Senator Gravel read the text of The Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record to protect the evidence.

Nixon was seeking to stop the release of what he was doing in Indochina (as it was called then) and to indict NYT reporters and Daniel Ellsberg but in the end, they failed:



http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0511.html

We rejoiced that day. The Senate Judiciary of which Clinton was a part, stood firm in the face of outright threats and coercion, and it was their Watergate Judiciary hearings that helped provide evidence for indicting these men:

* John N. Mitchell – former United States Attorney General and director of Nixon's 1968 and 1972 election campaigns; faced a maximum of 30 years in prison and $42,000 in fines; on February 21, 1975, Mitchell was found guilty of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, and perjury and sentenced to two and a half to eight years in prison, which was later reduced to one to four years; Mitchell actually served 19 months.

* H. R. Haldeman – White House chief of staff, considered the second most powerful man in the government during Nixon's first term; faced a maximum of 25 years in prison and $16,000 in fines; in 1975, he was convicted of conspiracy and obstruction of justice and received an 18-month prison sentence.

* John Ehrlichman – former assistant to Nixon in charge of domestic affairs; faced a maximum of 25 years in prison and $40,000 in fines. Ehrlichman was convicted of conspiracy, obstruction of justice, perjury and other charges; he served 18 months in prison.

* Charles Colson – former White House counsel specializing in political affairs; pleaded nolo contendere on June 3, 1974 to one charge of obstruction of justice, having persuaded prosecution to change the charge from one of which he believed himself innocent to another of which he believed himself guilty, in order to testify freely.;[6] he was sentenced to 1 to 3 years of prison and fined $5,000; Colson served seven months.

* Gordon C. Strachan – White House aide to Haldeman; faced a maximum of 15 years in prison and $20,000 in fines. Charges against him were dropped before trial.

* Robert Mardian – aide to Mitchell and counsel to the Committee to Re-elect the President in 1972; faced 5 years in prison and $5,000 in fines. His conviction was overturned on appeal.[7]

* Kenneth Parkinson – counsel for the Committee to Re-elect the President; faced 10 years in prison and $10,000 in fines. He was acquitted at trial. Although Parkinson was a lawyer, G. Gordon Liddy was in fact counsel for the Committee to Re-elect the President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_Seven

*We have the Committee to Re-elect the President to 'thank' for their proven method of dividing Democrats:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110215862

The GOP knows Clinton and has worked non-stop on character assassination for over a generation. It has brainwashed millions who simply can't stand her but they are giving into the billionaires that run the GOP, in the end. I will never give into them, in word or deed.

Part of political awareness is to know your enemies. And to be loyal to your friends who have been through the fire for you. It's unfortunate that some dismiss the good that has been done in a fickle way. It does not help the cause one may think it does.

[SunSeeker]

10. Yup, way better than a quixotic attempt to make Tuesday a holiday like Bernie is doing. nt