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[BainsBane]

1. Unless a poll shows Bernie gaining

Then those ones count, right?

[BainsBane]

8. Polls are not crystal balls

They are a snapshot in time. They measure public opinion at the moment. Of course they don't predict who will win. However, you seem determined to pronounce them all off limits to make yourself feel better about Bernie's candidacy. That's your trip. People will continue to look at polling. You aren't the net nanny controlling what we can read or post about.

[rhett o rick]

28. Don't let them get to you. Polls are very important to them. nm

[JaneyVee]

3. Polling is very accurate.

Don't know where you get your info from. And as for the rest of your post let me remind you: Hillary won the popular vote in 2008 and almost won the delegate count against Obama, arguably the greatest campaigner in US history.

[JaneyVee]

52. Newsflash: We will all support the Dem nominee.

Except for you apparently.

[rhett o rick]

57. If you are making the claim that Clinton supporters will support Sanders if he wins

the nomination, and you are claiming that the same isn't true of Sanders supporters, then wouldn't it make sense to nominate the candidate that most Democrats will support? Or are you willing to risk losing to the Republicons?

[Agschmid]

62. Seriously Rhett?

[rhett o rick]

64. Makes sense. If you are serious about defeating the Republicons, nominate

Sen Sanders. He has the backing of most all Democrats. According to some Clinton followers, the same can't be said of Clinton. Sanders is bring out people that normally don't vote. They support him because he isn't politics as usual. If he loses the nomination, will those people still care? It's the Clinton supporters that continue to insist that the Sen Sanders supporters might not support the eventual nominee.

[Agschmid]

66. Waffles.

[JaneyVee]

63. That poster is only one person.

[Hawaii Hiker]

11. Sometimes i wonder how Obama won the 2008 primary

First off, I greatly admire Obama, he's been a damn good POTUS, and i wish he could run for a 3rd term...

But just looking at those 2008 primaries, Hillary Clinton won every big state - CA, NY, NJ, TX, PA, OH, MA, and a host of southern states...

It might have been as different story if Florida and Michigan weren't punished by the DNC for trying to move their primaries...I think she would have won Florida, Michigan??...I do think Obama would have won MI

In any event, we have a damn good President in Obama, and HRC will be LIGHT-YEARS better than any GOPer...

Just think of the Supreme Court during the next year and a half - FAR better to have HRC making nominations to that court than the GOPers..

[rhett o rick]

27. No one is arguing that Clinton isn't better than every Republicon. The problem

is will she control Goldman-Sachs and the Wall Street Gangsters. So far the only thing she has said is that she thinks "picking on them" is foolish.

The Princeton Report indicated that their study showed that we live in an Oligarchy. That's the status quo that the conservative side of our party wants to continue. Sen Sanders will have an up hill battle against the Billionaires but at least he will try.

[stupidicus]

30. it's long been about the obvious

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/02/1407547/-Hillary-Clinton-vs-Bernie-Sanders-is-a-fight-for-the-soul-of-the-Democratic-Party-that-must-happen

[JaneyVee]

49. You mean besides her numerous attempts to rein them in since 2005?

[rhett o rick]

65. Maybe I don't understand "rein them in". She accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars from them

to tell them that she thinks that criticizing banksters is foolish. She is against a new Glass-Steagall bill. Her idea of closing the wealth gap is to grow the economy. The economy HAS been growing but only for the wealthy. She claims that a rising tide raises all boats, but only yachts rise on the rising economic tide. Poverty has increased, and the infant mortality continues to climb. The min wage didn't rise with the rising tides but the wealth of the wealthy tripled. The status quo is literally killing us but some seem determine to hang on.

[dsc]

5. with regards to polling you are pretty much just like all the Romney

people who were truthing the polls and no, it didn't work out well for them. The fact is the polls were quite accurate in 08 both in the primary and in the general. They were pretty accurate again in 2010. they were pretty accurate again in 2012. And they were pretty accurate again in 2014. I know math can be hard, but that doesn't mean we should ignore it when it tells us what we don't want to hear. That is what the GOP does.

[wyldwolf]

6. damn it! Turchinsky has decreed there shall be no more polls!

[BainsBane]

9. Two whole days here and you think you get to tell us what we are allowed to say?

No. There are probably only about 20 active Clinton supporters on this site. It's easy enough to ignore us, either through the ignore feature or informally, but you do not get to tell us what we are allowed to say.

[BainsBane]

19. If someone is talking about how Clinton can't win

or is unpopular, or how everyone hates her, polling data is the appropriate response.

I post about issues, but the fact is it makes not one bit of difference what she says. People call her a liar. The opposition to her has nothing to do with issues. It really doesn't matter what we post or don't post. At this point it's just a matter of waiting until Super Tuesday or so when either Bernie drops out or her delegate count makes clear she will be the nominee. Biden entering the race might mix things up, but as it stands now, she's the only one who is going to be able to draw enough support to win the nomination.

[zeemike]

50. They appeal to the bandwagon effect

Thinking that is they present Hillary as a sure thing people will jump on the wagon too because everyone wants to be on the winning team...which may work for some low information voters but not for those who are angry about the failures of the system that is destroying the middle class and pouting extreme wealth at the very top...econimics trumps the need to be on a winning team.

Creating the illusion of inviability is the strategy here...And they ignore the polls that show her unfavorably is higher than her favorably.

Wellcome to DU BTW.

[Adrahil]

60. What do you think the polls looked like this time in 2007?

I dont't think you know. They didn't look ANYTHING like the polls look now. They couldn't have been more different.

[wyldwolf]

13. "Sorry, Hillary Clinton fans, no more polls." So decrees Prince Turchinsky

[wyldwolf]

20. The Prince would like to add a key word.

[Agschmid]

29. 2-5 Leave.

[bravenak]

68. Cracking me up over here!

[BainsBane]

21. Is this the inspiration for your screen name?

[freshwest]

40. Jay Leno on steroids, a Lou Ferrigno type or a Russian wrestler? Showing my age here... n/t

[George II]

44. You've learned a lot about DU in two days, impressive!

[bravenak]

69. You must have searched his post history, then?

Oooooh!! Tell me about Me!!! Do you know stuff? I find this fascinating.

[DCBob]

10. Turch you appear to have an irrational fear of polls.

Seek therapy.

[Raine1967]

24. Sanders is no Obama and they are running very different campaign styles.

that is all.

[FSogol]

16. "Most polls still use landlines as a source" = your opinions are 2 elections out of date.

[MoonRiver]

17. Such is life in the silly bubble!

[Raine1967]

25. Google 'polling methodology'

and please proceed to tell every polling outlet what they are doing wrong. There is no single polling methodology. Just as there is not a single polling standard.

[Adrahil]

45. Please look here

http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/

Pretty much all the best pollsters call cellphones

And read a book on statistics.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Do people actually vote based on polls? Seems a pretty shallow reason to me.

Kinda like deciding what kind of books to read because they're on the best seller list. Or basing your opinions on "what everybody says".

[BainsBane]

23. Of course not.

But some people are intent on insisting the entire country thinks exactly like them. Polls provide a snapshot of public opinion at a given moment in time and as thus are more useful that a projection of one's ego.

Moreover, the OP does give that as a reason for why people vote. He instead provides excuse for why he doesn't want to believe polls and therefore feels compelled to tell everyone else they can't post them.

[zentrum]

38. The American voter

...is frighteningly shallow.

In addition, the best seller list is exactly how many people read and give books as gifts. That's why best seller lists are created. They drive sales. They drive writing awards.

[Lil Missy]

26. Alrighty then!

[OilemFirchen]

31. This calls for an unskewing!

I'll bring the shims.

[brooklynite]

32. Very well then...on what basis do you say Bernie Sanders is doing well?

...and before you say "look at the rallies he's holding", let me point out the Howard Dean had great turnouts as well, and only came in a mediocre third in Iowa.

...also, telling us anecdotal stories of how you spouse, neighborhood Republican best friend like Bernie doesn't aggregate to a turnout of 18+ million voters that he'll need to show up next year.

And BTW - I trust we won't be seeing any more stories about how Hillary's support is collapsing, since the polls don't tell us anything?

[sadoldgirl]

33. I don't mind the polls at all, but

what irks me that there is this myth perpetuated that
Bernie cannot and will not win. With that presumption
the question of the SCOTUS will be brought up.

The problem supporters have is that their candidate
cannot lose, because it is inconceivable to them. That
is a huge mistake for any campaign to make.
None of us know what events might happen between
now and Super Tuesday or/and the GE.

We can and should be proponents and defenders of
our candidate, but always keep in mind that s/he
may lose.

This may make the congressional elections a much
more important factor.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

34. A lot of these polls use half urban and half rural and are surprised they keep saying 50/50.

[zentrum]

35. Polls are actually a campaign tactic

.....for the front runner, who is backed by their Party's Machine. They operate as push polls, to create a sense of inevitable momentum.

Everything about American elections is now managed, packaged, focus group tested, artificial, corporate,

That's why I support Bernie, who is passionate, never pre-packaged.

[cantbeserious]

37. ^^^ This ^^^

eom

[Adrahil]

42. If that is so....

It sure didn't work out for Hillary last time.

So much wtf in this thread....

[PosterChild]

46. And exactly what is a ""front runner"?

Someone doing well in the polls. I think you have some sort of self contridiction there.

[zeemike]

58. Yes but your not supposed to say that.

Because you will be told it is a conspiracy theory and that makes you one that believes in lizard people from outer space...and you don't want people to think you are like that do you?

Nope better to believe it all or at least pretend to...no sense in being a target of the thought police...just allow the illusion to stand.

[YOHABLO]

43. No one pays attention till the candidates from both parties are decided .. then just a little.

They really don't pay attention till the election. Right now people are finishing up their holidays, getting ready to return to school, at the pool, at the lake, at a sporting event. That's the American voter. Not real astute at politics and hard to get their attention. I wouldn't buy into the polling going on right now.

[mythology]

48. If polls are outdated, please explain Nate Silver

Is he just really lucky at being able to predict elections? If so, does his luck extend to picking lottery numbers or who will win the big game?

It takes more than just saying polling is outdated to actually present a convincing case.

[captainarizona]

51. bernie fans I am one please chill!

I was blocked from the bernie thread for saying he needed to attract more minority democrats. (how you can use the term democratic here instead of democrat I don't know.)

[DanTex]

53. Ahh, the full embrace of poll trutherism. Good luck with that.

[ismnotwasm]

55. Yawn.

[ram2008]

56. I disagree, polls are mostly accurate

I'm a Bernie supporter but we have to be careful about "unskewing" the polls, we're not Republicans who live outside reality. The polls are most likely accurate and Hillary still has a big, albeit dwindling lead.

Any surprises would most likely show up in the polls whether it be movement in the toplines, changes in favorability, or noticeable trends in the data.

I don't disagree with the second part of your post though, Hillary has some pretty big flaws.

[HassleCat]

59. Her polling is strong

Any candidate will emphasize his or her strengths. Name recognition and front runner status are huge Clinton assets. The sense of inevitability is a big plus for her within her party. The polls help her promote her assets and hide her weaknesses. Of course she will make a big deal of her big lead in the polls.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

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