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NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:24 PM Aug 2015

If Jim Webb wins the Democratic presidential nomination, what would you do?

Former Virginia Senator Jim Webb announced his presidential bid in the middle of the Fourth of July holiday, when not so many people were paying attention. Webb, 69, is a moderate Democrat, but in recent days have sounded like a Conservative Democrat. Webb has written books about his days as a U.S. Marine Corps. Webb has written columns, about war, and Scots-Irish history.

Webb beat George Allen in 2006 after Allen's racist crap was revealed to the world. Webb won, barely. Webb was briefly considered to be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate in 2008, but he declined.

Webb decided to retire from the Senate in 2012, and it seemed that his political career was over.

I disagree with Webb's positions on some issues,such as the Confederate flag issue, but I do respect his service in the Vietnam War.
I was not born during that time, but I know from history, I would have opposed it.

I am undecided with who to vote for in the Democratic presidential nomination of 2016; although it is very likely that HRC will be the Democratic nominee in 2016.

However, if Jim Webb somehow won Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, won Southern primaries and won the Democratic presidential nomination, what would you do in the fall elections?



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If Jim Webb wins the Democratic presidential nomination, what would you do? (Original Post) NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 OP
Ugh vote for him... but jeez what a thought. Agschmid Aug 2015 #1
Webb is a republican registered as a Democrate... TheProgressive Aug 2015 #10
I agree with you and he has a job to do and to me Todays_Illusion Aug 2015 #36
Disagree on O'Malley JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #42
Thank you! Raine1967 Aug 2015 #62
Yes indeed.... MADem Aug 2015 #39
I'll strip naked, paint myself blue, and The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2015 #2
That's EXACTLY what I was gonna say. zappaman Aug 2015 #55
as for me irisblue Aug 2015 #61
Vote for him. bvf Aug 2015 #3
I'd sugguest 911... Agschmid Aug 2015 #5
"Darn it, bvf Aug 2015 #12
Vote for the DNC nonimee Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #4
Please leave this out: elleng Aug 2015 #6
Uh Martin O'Malley is to her left? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #41
Yes he is, and reliably so. elleng Aug 2015 #64
Vote for him. Turchinsky Aug 2015 #7
What I always do...vote for the Democrat. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #8
In this case, a proud confederate flag Democrat. Nope. Voting for such a person that supports Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #31
Vote. Relutantly.nt bravenak Aug 2015 #9
Hold my nose, put a Webb 2016 sticker on my car and pull the lever for him in November. phleshdef Aug 2015 #11
Vote for him, and SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #13
OK, I caught my own reference and can't resist. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #16
One of those "unintentional truths!" Harvard had Jewish quotas for many years. MADem Aug 2015 #40
So true. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #47
Shave my dog and wear underwear on my head jberryhill Aug 2015 #14
OK, but you gotta take pictures. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #50
I will mail you a check for $1000 if that happens. ibegurpard Aug 2015 #15
I would vote for him and then... madaboutharry Aug 2015 #17
Supports the blatantly racist confederate flag. Pass. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #18
Same thing I will do Kelvin Mace Aug 2015 #19
Would you mind if I ride along with you? I'm pretty good at science. BlueJazz Aug 2015 #23
Shot gun! Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #29
Webb will be the "surprise of the Democratic primaries. jaysunb Aug 2015 #20
I can see that. If he is seeking, on the lowdown, the racist vote. Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #34
Be surprised nt arely staircase Aug 2015 #21
I am actually sickened by how many DUers are willing to support Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #22
Very low indeed. delrem Aug 2015 #26
Fly that racist Confederate flag high. And that is A-ok because you have that magic (D). Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #28
Sprinkle rocksalt all over the ground where hell just froze over mythology Aug 2015 #24
In a run agsinsst the Republican nominee, he would be the best Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #25
Panic, then console myself by eating a whole box of corn dogs. Scootaloo Aug 2015 #27
suicide olddots Aug 2015 #30
I would have a real problem with it. He is against the Iran deal and he wants to dismantle still_one Aug 2015 #32
Campaign tirelessly... winter is coming Aug 2015 #33
Pinch myself because I know I was dreaming... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #35
I'd VOTE FOR HIM uhnope Aug 2015 #37
It's hard to imagine this happening. SheilaT Aug 2015 #38
He's going to have a D after his name? JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #43
I will not vote against any Democratic candidate in the 2016 presidential election tularetom Aug 2015 #44
I would go outside and watch flocks of pigs fly south for the winter 4139 Aug 2015 #45
I'd vote for him, but he has no chance n/t n2doc Aug 2015 #46
I'd hold my nose and vote for him. But that will NOT happen. nt Adrahil Aug 2015 #48
Three words: Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #49
what if he picked the cat i had in childhood, as his running mate? HFRN Aug 2015 #51
Really? Good grief, fortunately he hasn't a snowballs chance in hades peacebird Aug 2015 #52
If Webb Won The Momination, I'd Vote For Him Vogon_Glory Aug 2015 #53
Vote Green Kermitt Gribble Aug 2015 #54
Hold my nose and vote for the (barely) lesser of two evils. BillZBubb Aug 2015 #56
I would sit on my webcam John Poet Aug 2015 #57
lol fbc Aug 2015 #58
He's not going to. LWolf Aug 2015 #59
this feels a lot like another version of restorefreedom Aug 2015 #60
Probably vote for him, leave the country, Zorra Aug 2015 #63
I would prepare for a Republican President DemocraticWing Aug 2015 #65
Webb is running to be the GOP vice presidential nominee Gothmog Aug 2015 #66
Clinton may pick him if she has problems with white working class voters in Appalachia NYCButterfinger Aug 2015 #67
She is far more likely to pick Julian Castro to keep Hispanic turnout high Gothmog Aug 2015 #73
I would not vote for a Confederate flag defender. If the Democratic party CharlotteVale Aug 2015 #68
Fortunately, my ballot usually has more than 2 candidates listed for president. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #69
Since he's essentially a Republican, I'd write in Bernie's name. Vinca Aug 2015 #70
Easy to answer; I'd vote for him. Any D over any R. aikoaiko Aug 2015 #71
I'd vote for him but he has the potential for more gaffe's than Biden. hollowdweller Aug 2015 #72
Write in Bernie Sanders Pastiche423 Aug 2015 #74
 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
10. Webb is a republican registered as a Democrate...
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:51 PM
Aug 2015

Since he is not a Democrat at any measurement, I would not vote for him...


Good thread Agschmid....I hope people get it....

On edit: I meant to post this to the parent thread...sorry for the mistype....

Todays_Illusion

(1,209 posts)
36. I agree with you and he has a job to do and to me
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:24 AM
Aug 2015

he, also O'Malley and Chafee, all in provide anti-Democratic bias confirmation and political attack material for the Republicans. None of these candidates have any voters or constituency.

They are all running on the talking points conservatives/Republicans attack Demcratic for.

Guns, taxes, southern tradition for flag. O'Malley stirred the pot with the all lives matter, the entirely unnecessary comment, unless you want to whip up some anti-Democratic voting amoung the African American community and create a group for even that and call it Black lives matter to stalk Democratic since their beginning.

So are we going to swallow all the propaganda or notice how we are going to be deceived ever more thoroughly for this election than any so far.

JustAnotherGen

(31,999 posts)
42. Disagree on O'Malley
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:52 AM
Aug 2015

We can agree to disagree on him. He's not a Johnny Come Lately Democratic Party member and is running towards his record of impementation of progressive policy. He taxed the rain - and if that pisses off populists and conservatives alike - that's a good thing.

Wait until the debates. I've also posted in the O'Malley group about other black supporters of O'Malley. It was a high school friend that moved from Western NY to Baltimore about 15 years ago who tipped me off on him. If Sanders, Clinton, Webb and Chafee campaigns are going to try to paint him as anti black - that would be stupid.

We aren't dumb and we aren't blind. It's not that the others are anti black - its just that from my point of view - they can't appeal to those blacks who are working poor to those who are wealthy across the board. Voting Rights, pathways to prosperity that don't include a college education for those who didn't receive the best from grade school on, access to decent housing when you have that high paying skilled labor job, equal treatment by the medical community and safe neighborhoods - he's the only one we can see "rubbed shoulders and walked among the people".

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
62. Thank you!
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:18 PM
Aug 2015

A life long Dem is anti-Democrat?

His mother STILL works for Senator Mikulski and he worked on her first election. I have a feeling Ms. Mikulski would deeply disagree with the idea that he's 'Anti-Dem'

People can disagree on his policies but I really have to wonder sometimes where I am posting.

YOu know even before the BLM incident at NRN, he said this (MAy 3, 2015) http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/240890-omalley-blacks-are-not-disposable-citizens

I just feel the need to put this here as I believe it might get a better reception (and I'm gonna leave it at that) It's not directed at you JAG.

This was from a MO'm group post back in april or may:

I posted this a few months ago, it deserves to be looked at again: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1281976



MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. Yes indeed....
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 03:16 AM
Aug 2015

I would probably evacuate building blocks from my bowels, (i.e. shit bricks), and then hold my nose and vote for him.

That would be a tough one. It would be less painful, simply because of proximity to the environment, if I lived in VA. He's fairly progressive for some areas of that state....

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,943 posts)
2. I'll strip naked, paint myself blue, and
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:30 PM
Aug 2015

sing "Puttin' on the Ritz" in Swedish while dancing on roller skates on the displaced threshold of Runway 22R at JFK.

elleng

(131,290 posts)
64. Yes he is, and reliably so.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:42 PM
Aug 2015

My point: Pay attention to him, don't assume hrc will prevail, and LEARN about him.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
31. In this case, a proud confederate flag Democrat. Nope. Voting for such a person that supports
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:35 AM
Aug 2015

a symbol of slavery gets kicked out of my tent.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
11. Hold my nose, put a Webb 2016 sticker on my car and pull the lever for him in November.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:54 PM
Aug 2015

What the hell else am I suppose to do?

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
13. Vote for him, and
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:10 AM
Aug 2015

work for him and give money to him.

Unless by some miracle a progressive third-party candidate had a chance or the Republican nominee suddenly embraced Democratic principles.

It's important to, if necessary, fight fiercely for the best of a bad lot. Example:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/21/vote-for-the-crook-it-s-important-edwin-edwards-wants-back-in-congress.html

I hope it is not necessary - i.e., I'd like to fight for an actual positive choice.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
16. OK, I caught my own reference and can't resist.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:21 AM
Aug 2015
http://m.


Although the captioner does not appear to know "genteel" from "gentile".....

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
47. So true.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 10:32 AM
Aug 2015

I was about to say that I could not have attended when I graduated high school, but apparently that was not the case, although there were quotas for women as well.

https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news/radcliffe-magazine/complicated-history-women-harvard

(I'm glad my fact-checking instincts kicked in. I know there were still some elite colleges that were not admitting women at all in the 60s, though.)

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
19. Same thing I will do
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:03 AM
Aug 2015

if Donald Trump wins the presidency. Board my starship and head for Andromeda. Because in that reality I own a starship.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
20. Webb will be the "surprise of the Democratic primaries.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:05 AM
Aug 2015

It's likely he will do well in both Iowa and New Hampshire with a very good chance of winning S. Carolina.
I've been saying this for months with lots of derision heaped on me, but I believe this guy may be the sleeper in the race.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
22. I am actually sickened by how many DUers are willing to support
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:12 AM
Aug 2015

a Democratic candidate (however improbable) that defends a symbol of racism.

How low can we go.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
26. Very low indeed.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:20 AM
Aug 2015

eta: and after 8yrs of *that* setting the standard for "the progressive left", they'll be ready to go even lower. Some people are just made that way.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
28. Fly that racist Confederate flag high. And that is A-ok because you have that magic (D).
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:26 AM
Aug 2015

It is a big tent! We welcome those who support racists!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
24. Sprinkle rocksalt all over the ground where hell just froze over
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:18 AM
Aug 2015

This is as unrealistic as Jim Gilmore winning the Republican nomination.

still_one

(92,491 posts)
32. I would have a real problem with it. He is against the Iran deal and he wants to dismantle
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:36 AM
Aug 2015

the EPA's regulation of green house gases.

That he doesn't understand what the confederate flag stands for is troubling.

However, On most social issues he is progressive

I am not sure what I would do if he won the nomination

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,719 posts)
35. Pinch myself because I know I was dreaming...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 01:44 AM
Aug 2015

I have no animus toward the fella but he's very much a cultural prisoner of the milieu he was raised in.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
37. I'd VOTE FOR HIM
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:30 AM
Aug 2015

A moderate Dem against any of the clown car candidates? Yes I'd vote for him. And I think he'd wipe the floor with any of the GOP candidates--his service would get him a lot of the military vote that might otherwise automatically go GOP. This was a good interview:

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
38. It's hard to imagine this happening.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:49 AM
Aug 2015

As has already been pointed out, he's a Republican registered as a Democrat. I suppose he'd be a bit better than any possible Republican nominee, but I shudder to think.

JustAnotherGen

(31,999 posts)
43. He's going to have a D after his name?
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 05:56 AM
Aug 2015

Vote for him of course!

But - he can't win NY, NJ, MD, MA, CA - not in the primary.


Of course if the primaries started in NY, CA, FL, TX, and MA - the Democratic nominee would always be more reflective of larger America.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
44. I will not vote against any Democratic candidate in the 2016 presidential election
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 06:34 AM
Aug 2015

What more do I need to say?

Vogon_Glory

(9,133 posts)
53. If Webb Won The Momination, I'd Vote For Him
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:49 AM
Aug 2015

If Jim Webb won the Democratic nomination, I'd still vote for him. Being a patriot and devoutly wishing to restore the political health of the American republic, I have come to the conclusion that ANY of the major Democratic contenders are preferable to the liars, the scamsters, the bully oys, the thugs, the unethical, and the psychotics crowding each other for the Republican Party's presidential nomination.

Neither the Republic nor the American people can afford another Republican Presidency.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
56. Hold my nose and vote for the (barely) lesser of two evils.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:39 PM
Aug 2015

Then I would reconsider my allegiance to the Democratic party. If it can nominate a conservative in this day and age, it's attraction to me would be gone.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
60. this feels a lot like another version of
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:57 PM
Aug 2015

if the candidate represents corporate centrist ideals gets nominated, you should vote for them anyway because they have a D after their name. Go to the polls, shut up and vote for the Democrat.

in other words, it's another version of "you should vote for Hillary because she's a Democrat." and how dare you even think of voting for anyone else.

sorry to the OP if they really were contemplating the merits of Jim Webb's candidacy, but I'm just not feeling it. This has the smack of a Hillary loyalty oath all over it.

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
65. I would prepare for a Republican President
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:04 PM
Aug 2015

The idea that Jim Webb could motivate liberals, young people, and minorities to vote for him is silly. The Republican would win 300+ electoral votes.

Gothmog

(145,785 posts)
66. Webb is running to be the GOP vice presidential nominee
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:12 PM
Aug 2015

Webb will not be on the Democratic ticket but could be on a GOP ticket as a Lieberman type VP nominee

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
67. Clinton may pick him if she has problems with white working class voters in Appalachia
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:47 PM
Aug 2015

Webb can reach out to working class voters, especially in KY, TN, WV. Webb can do well with that. I think that Democrats should reach out to the Southern states.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
68. I would not vote for a Confederate flag defender. If the Democratic party
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:51 PM
Aug 2015

ever comes to that, it deserves to lose.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
69. Fortunately, my ballot usually has more than 2 candidates listed for president.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:55 PM
Aug 2015

And, has a place to write-in a candidate.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

Vinca

(50,323 posts)
70. Since he's essentially a Republican, I'd write in Bernie's name.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 02:55 PM
Aug 2015

And I'd hope that Trump wins the White House. If you have to have a Republican in the White House it might as well be one that's comedy gold.

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